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by **tubby** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:09 pm

We are only top by virtue of Man Utd not playing as many games as us. If it was not for that we would be 2nd. But as you say they still have to play those games. Although it is more of a given they will win their home games than us. Something I thought we had ironed out. Ill be glad to see Xabi back on the pitch on the weekend.

by **tubby** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:10 pm

dawson99 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Fact is most of the fans on this site can be complete pr!cks sometimes. We are top of the league. Mancs need to win games in hand, which they haven't yet... so chill the f*ck out or the f*ck off.

Dawson everyone here has a right to an opinion. You cannot label the majority ' ' if their opinions seem bad of the manager. Hopefully I wont get a chance to but I will bring you back to this thread next week when Utd go above us.

And I'll brinmg you back here when we stay top

Love to see that mate...honestly would.

by **LegBarnes** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:16 pm

dawson99 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Fact is most of the fans on this site can be complete pr!cks sometimes. We are top of the league. Mancs need to win games in hand, which they haven't yet... so chill the f*ck out or the f*ck off.

Dawson everyone here has a right to an opinion. You cannot label the majority ' ' if their opinions seem bad of the manager. Hopefully I wont get a chance to but I will bring you back to this thread next week when Utd go above us.

And I'll brinmg you back here when we stay top

If we ain't I bring you back here happy pants.

Happy clappers for ya.

by **dawson99** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:20 pm

Not happy clapper, realist, we're above all else, only lost once ALL season, injured players are coming back, watch out the prem league, we are gonna win it

by **metalhead** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:22 pm

They deserved the win today, mancs. Chelsea were p!ss poor.

by **fivecups** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:12 pm

That was depressing watching. United have hit top form.

However, I hope our players don't have the same attitude as some of the people in this thread. It's never going to be easy to win the league - we're going to have to be at our best until the end of the season. Torres is still not back to full match fitness so there's still more to come from us.

There are some positives here as well. Chelsea looked poor today. We play them on 1st Feb - there's got to be a good chance of 3 points - I'm getting over for that one. We've extended our lead at the top to four points. Even if United win against Wigan and Bolton we'll only be a point behind them. The away match against them will be critical then. We dominated at Anfield at the start of the season so we can beat them at Old Trafford.

They have an easier run in than we do but we can still win the league this year.

by **fivecups** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:17 pm

The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

by **Number 9** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:25 pm

fivecups wrote:The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

Nonsense!
Kuyt was isolated upfront yesterday..when he got the ball there were too many men on him!Bringing Keane on with his runs would have freed up room up top for Kuyt and Gerrard as well supporting,it would have opened things up.
Compairing our match to todays is just daft,totally different type of games from whistle to whistle!

by **bunglemark2** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:41 pm

Number 9 wrote:
fivecups wrote:The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

Nonsense!
Kuyt was isolated upfront yesterday..when he got the ball there were too many men on him!Bringing Keane on with his runs would have freed up room up top for Kuyt and Gerrard as well supporting,it would have opened things up.
Compairing our match to todays is just daft,totally different type of games from whistle to whistle!

Rubbish they were different games - they're all equally important after Christmas, whether it's Stoke away or United away. I have to hand it to United today - they looked like they've been here before and they know what it takes. Chelsea were simply thoughtless....a bit like we were yesterday. I can't see United slipping up against either team in their two games in hand....and I think the home draws will screw us up big time. If there wasn't enough pressure heaped on by Rafa's nonsensical utterings the other day, coupled with a pathetic performance against Stoke, this result and more importantly performance today means the impetus is squarely with United.
One result does not lose a season, but the draws against Fulham, West Ham, Stoke (twice), can't remember the other one....are just down to a bunch of players who don't want to win enough...

by **fivecups** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:44 pm

Number 9 wrote:
fivecups wrote:The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

Nonsense!
Kuyt was isolated upfront yesterday..when he got the ball there were too many men on him!Bringing Keane on with his runs would have freed up room up top for Kuyt and Gerrard as well supporting,it would have opened things up.
Compairing our match to todays is just daft,totally different type of games from whistle to whistle!

It's still the same change in formation. Bringing on a second striker isn't always the right solution. Sometimes you just end up with 2 isolated strikers instead of one and loose more control of the midfield.Thats what happened to Chelsea today.

I don't understand why people keep saying Rafa got it wrong yesterday either.

by **Number 9** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:49 pm

fivecups wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
fivecups wrote:The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

Nonsense!
Kuyt was isolated upfront yesterday..when he got the ball there were too many men on him!Bringing Keane on with his runs would have freed up room up top for Kuyt and Gerrard as well supporting,it would have opened things up.
Compairing our match to todays is just daft,totally different type of games from whistle to whistle!

It's still the same change in formation. Bringing on a second striker isn't always the right solution. Sometimes you just end up with 2 isolated strikers instead of one and loose more control of the midfield.Thats what happened to Chelsea today.

I don't understand why people keep saying Rafa got it wrong yesterday either.

CAUSE HE GOT IT WRONG MATE!!

Fecking hell did ya wach the game??Everything was wrong

by **bunglemark2** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:59 pm

fivecups wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
fivecups wrote:The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

Nonsense!
Kuyt was isolated upfront yesterday..when he got the ball there were too many men on him!Bringing Keane on with his runs would have freed up room up top for Kuyt and Gerrard as well supporting,it would have opened things up.
Compairing our match to todays is just daft,totally different type of games from whistle to whistle!

It's still the same change in formation. Bringing on a second striker isn't always the right solution. Sometimes you just end up with 2 isolated strikers instead of one and loose more control of the midfield.Thats what happened to Chelsea today.

I don't understand why people keep saying Rafa got it wrong yesterday either.

You're right...Rafa got it perfectly right....
He was perfectly justified, as manager of the team leading the Premiership, to adopt a 4-5-1 formation with a - ahem! - pint-size striker, against an opposition who mop up high balls for fun. To select a midfield that included Benayoun.....'nuff said about that donkey....
In fact, to adopt a cautious approach, saving his first class striker as if for a rainy day....After all, I'm sure Torres will be grateful he didn't have to exert himself come the summer, when he's off on his holidays somewhere, and doesn't have to deal with the aftermath of a hectic season (In case you don't geddit...the above is called "sarcasm" - it ain't Torres' fault the manager chose to leave him on the bench...)
And I'm sure Robbie Keane will be grateful as well for the same reason. A question, Mr. Benitez: how exatly is Keane supposed to score goals, justify his 20M transfer fee, if he ain't on the pitch to begin with ?
But no, I digress, I mustn't nbe thinking straight....Rafa got it just right yesterday....we got a well deserved point....
What was that punchline from The Royle Family again : "My a$$$$$$$...!"

by **fivecups** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:02 pm

Number 9 wrote:
fivecups wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
fivecups wrote:The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

Nonsense!
Kuyt was isolated upfront yesterday..when he got the ball there were too many men on him!Bringing Keane on with his runs would have freed up room up top for Kuyt and Gerrard as well supporting,it would have opened things up.
Compairing our match to todays is just daft,totally different type of games from whistle to whistle!

It's still the same change in formation. Bringing on a second striker isn't always the right solution. Sometimes you just end up with 2 isolated strikers instead of one and loose more control of the midfield.Thats what happened to Chelsea today.

I don't understand why people keep saying Rafa got it wrong yesterday either.

CAUSE HE GOT IT WRONG MATE!!

Fecking hell did ya wach the game??Everything was wrong

Barry - I would have loved to have seen Torres start up front meaning we could have started with Kuyt on the right instead of Benayoun. He's either not fully match fit or they are easing him back in to playing a full 90 minutes. It would be stupid to play him for short-term gain risking a recurrence of his ham-string injury.

Most other changes were forced. I don't see how playing Keane as a lone front man would have been more effective than playing Kuyt.

Hyypia and Skrtel aren't used to playing together, Skrtel's not fully match fit. Aurelio the same. Carra's more effective in the centre than on the right. Alonso was missing and Lucas had a bad game. Yossi had a bad game, Reina the same. Mascherano looks out of form. Stoke put two lines of 4 behind the ball in the second half.

It was the same formation as Newcastle when we won 5-1. It's easy for us with hind-sight.

by **fivecups** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:07 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
fivecups wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
fivecups wrote:The other thing that was interesting today in light of the Stoke game was Chelsea's substitutions.

A lot of people felt we should have brought a second striker early and moved to a 4-4-2. Chelsea did that and they got hammered. I don't think it would have made that much difference to us yesterday either as the problem was more the supply to the striker from defence and midfield.

Nonsense!
Kuyt was isolated upfront yesterday..when he got the ball there were too many men on him!Bringing Keane on with his runs would have freed up room up top for Kuyt and Gerrard as well supporting,it would have opened things up.
Compairing our match to todays is just daft,totally different type of games from whistle to whistle!

It's still the same change in formation. Bringing on a second striker isn't always the right solution. Sometimes you just end up with 2 isolated strikers instead of one and loose more control of the midfield.Thats what happened to Chelsea today.

I don't understand why people keep saying Rafa got it wrong yesterday either.

You're right...Rafa got it perfectly right....
He was perfectly justified, as manager of the team leading the Premiership, to adopt a 4-5-1 formation with a - ahem! - pint-size striker, against an opposition who mop up high balls for fun. To select a midfield that included Benayoun.....'nuff said about that donkey....
In fact, to adopt a cautious approach, saving his first class striker as if for a rainy day....After all, I'm sure Torres will be grateful he didn't have to exert himself come the summer, when he's off on his holidays somewhere, and doesn't have to deal with the aftermath of a hectic season (In case you don't geddit...the above is called "sarcasm" - it ain't Torres' fault the manager chose to leave him on the bench...)
And I'm sure Robbie Keane will be grateful as well for the same reason. A question, Mr. Benitez: how exatly is Keane supposed to score goals, justify his 20M transfer fee, if he ain't on the pitch to begin with ?
But no, I digress, I mustn't nbe thinking straight....Rafa got it just right yesterday....we got a well deserved point....
What was that punchline from The Royle Family again : "My a$$$$$$$...!"

Yep, spot on - stuff caution. Play Torres for 90 minutes, so what if he tears his hamstring. So what if he's out for another six weeks - no really important matches coming up now anyway.

Do you not think Rafa wants to see his best striker playing a full match?

by **bunglemark2** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:16 pm

Dime bar ? Did you see the sarcasm ? Did I say 90 mins for Torres - anybody home ? Bueller ? Bueller ?

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