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by **bigmick** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:03 pm

Next week I'll do zonal marking for you if you like. The point here really isn't about hindsight, or even about rotation. It's about somebody coming onto a forum and being repeatedly and unnecessarily rude and confrontational. There is and was absolutely no need for it. I let it go, gave you the last word and then you come back in with more silliness.

From there you've made your bed. In terms of football knowledge, not opinions about hinsight/rotation or any of the peripheral issues, you are out of your depth to be totally honest. That's OK, but it makes your initial stance and your continued provacation even harder to take. Disagree with any point I make by all means, passionately disagree all you like. Don't though come on here and start throwing your wieght around, trying to lecture people about subjects which you clearly are unqualified so to do.

We agree to differ and that's fine by me. Have a read back through the defensive patters thing though, you never know you might learn something.

by **Fo Dne** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:14 pm

bigmick wrote:Next week I'll do zonal marking for you if you like. The point here really isn't about hindsight, or even about rotation. It's about somebody coming onto a forum and being repeatedly and unnecessarily rude and confrontational. There is and was absolutely no need for it. I let it go, gave you the last word and then you come back in with more silliness.

From there you've made your bed. In terms of football knowledge, not opinions about hinsight/rotation or any of the peripheral issues, you are out of your depth to be totally honest. That's OK, but it makes your initial stance and your continued provacation even harder to take. Disagree with any point I make by all means, passionately disagree all you like. Don't though come on here and start throwing your wieght around, trying to lecture people about subjects which you clearly are unqualified so to do.

We agree to differ and that's fine by me. Have a read back through the defensive patters thing though, you never know you might learn something.

Don't let someone, who compares Basketball and how many "steals" someone makes in a game to football, bother you in the slightest. No-ones arsed about what this moron is saying.

by **sgs** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:01 pm

bigmick wrote:Next week I'll do zonal marking for you if you like. The point here really isn't about hindsight, or even about rotation. It's about somebody coming onto a forum and being repeatedly and unnecessarily rude and confrontational. There is and was absolutely no need for it. I let it go, gave you the last word and then you come back in with more silliness.

From there you've made your bed. In terms of football knowledge, not opinions about hinsight/rotation or any of the peripheral issues, you are out of your depth to be totally honest. That's OK, but it makes your initial stance and your continued provacation even harder to take. Disagree with any point I make by all means, passionately disagree all you like. Don't though come on here and start throwing your wieght around, trying to lecture people about subjects which you clearly are unqualified so to do.

We agree to differ and that's fine by me. Have a read back through the defensive patters thing though, you never know you might learn something.

Thanks for the lecture. You are right, there is always something to learn..

But sir, it is about hindsight cus u partly justify your position on Keane by telling us how grannies could've scored against Newcastle. This being said after the fact! I don't recall anyone, including you, telling us Newcastle would be this bad b/4 the game...

2ndly, I asked u at the very beginning: if the object of team selection is to win games, and we won 5-1 on the basis of Rafa's selection, how can it still be ridiculous?

These are questions I ask genuinely. Perhaps you can teach me a few more things...

by **bigmick** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:31 pm

Nope. If you dig a bit deeper and have a look at the posts before the Newcastle game, and then read the posts after the Newcastle game which refer specifically to Keane, my stance is very clear. You may disagree with it all you like, but my stance is clear and requires no further spelling out nor justification.

Nor is there any need to go down the "sir" route either, this is simply silliness compounded by tomfoolery.

Though I think your knowledge of football is less than the impression you have been trying to give, you are clearly not a stupid person. Your linguistic gymnastics, whilst being useless in themselves proove you are someone with an intellectual capability. Therefore, I think it is within your reach to be able to understand the point on the various threads. I hope so, as there seems little point in me explaining the rudiments of association football to you if you are incapable of grasping such a simple concept as a strikers confidence.

I'll leave it with you, see if you can't find the quote before the game where I speak of people coming back if we win 5-0 (I was miles off I know) or people coming back when we win.

I have no further interest though in conversing with you so you can have the last word. It's one of my New Years resolutions to spend less energy on unpleasant people. Life after all is too short.

by **aCe'** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:42 pm

sgs wrote:
bigmick wrote:Next week I'll do zonal marking for you if you like. The point here really isn't about hindsight, or even about rotation. It's about somebody coming onto a forum and being repeatedly and unnecessarily rude and confrontational. There is and was absolutely no need for it. I let it go, gave you the last word and then you come back in with more silliness.

From there you've made your bed. In terms of football knowledge, not opinions about hinsight/rotation or any of the peripheral issues, you are out of your depth to be totally honest. That's OK, but it makes your initial stance and your continued provacation even harder to take. Disagree with any point I make by all means, passionately disagree all you like. Don't though come on here and start throwing your wieght around, trying to lecture people about subjects which you clearly are unqualified so to do.

We agree to differ and that's fine by me. Have a read back through the defensive patters thing though, you never know you might learn something.

Thanks for the lecture. You are right, there is always something to learn..

But sir, it is about hindsight cus u partly justify your position on Keane by telling us how grannies could've scored against Newcastle. This being said after the fact! I don't recall anyone, including you, telling us Newcastle would be this bad b/4 the game...

2ndly, I asked u at the very beginning: if the object of team selection is to win games, and we won 5-1 on the basis of Rafa's selection, how can it still be ridiculous?

These are questions I ask genuinely. Perhaps you can teach me a few more things...

lsn i think i get ur point... its quite simple but then again thats what is to be expected from you anyways...

ur main problem seems to be with people biitching if you will about the team selection even though we ended up winning the game 5-1...
lsn mate... donno how long u'v been watching liverpool for but from what iv seen over the years... ever since Rafa took over.. rotation has never done us any good... even when we do end up rotating and winning games, it never stays that way for long..

this season we'v seen marked improvements in that department and we'v started picking a somehwat consistent starting 11 week in week out... Keane has been in and out of the side, only god and rafa know why but thats besides the point.. point is we have been doing very well in terms of results so far, and to many, that to no little extent was an outcome of our sensible selections. Players who were gathering momentum were building on it (Gerrard, Alonso, even Hyypia to mention a few), whilst others who were constantly being rotated and benched were obviously suffering from it (Keane, Babel,Dossena, even Agger)…

Now the thing is, we had this player who is obviously a quality player. A player we went out and paid 20mill quid to get only last summer. He was starting to finally score and look like the player we paid all this money for, he was starting to gain momentum and have an impact in the team. He scores 2 goals in a game and looks all fired up. Then we go out and bench him .

To you it might sound okay, given we’v won 5-1… I mean afterall it was you who said that hindsight was a “wonderful happy clappy place to be” wasn’t it ?!
To me it doesn’t… see it a race not a sprint! Beating Newcastle was never going to win us the league, to win it we have to have as many quality players playing to the best of their abilities whenever fit and ready. Make no mistake about it, the likes of Lucas and Babel might have won us th game against Newcastle, but do u really expect them to go out and have an impact in 9 out of 10 games we play In the league ?!

Back to Keane though, if he had started ahead of Kuyt (and I don’t want you giving me all the hindsight bullsht again because I wanted him to start before a ball was kicked and still think he should have started now that we’v won it 5-1),again if he had started ahead of Kuyt, would we have looked a weaker side ? I wouldn’t think so… in my opinion he would have done a whole lot more than Kuyt did and at least scored 1 or 2 goals… More importantly, we would have had 1 more player besides Gerrard who was red hot and banging in the goals and someone who is in-form is always more likely to score than a player coming on from being benched the last game…

by **bigmick** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:46 pm

Ace, good luck mate but I've tried. God knows I've tried.

To disagree though is absolutely his perogative. No problem whatsoever with that. To get all silly like he did and is though is unnecessary, and to try and bog everyone down in a silly semantics discussion now is equally pointless.

There is never any right and wrong hindsight in any individual team selection, because quite simply nobody knows for sure how the team would have played if you'd changed it. It is concieveable I suppose that if You'd played Keane instead of Kuyt that we'd have lost the game. Unlikely I think, but concieveable. Equally, if Keane had played we might have won 10-1. Just about as likely as us losing I should think, with the benefit of course of seeing the game<- He'll love that last bit

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Simply put, it's about an opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. everyones got one, so no bother with that. To claim though to completely not understand even, someone elses point of view after the "debate" has been going on for three days, is the mark of somebody who is simply spoiling for a disagreement rather than wanting to talk about football.

There is normally a good reason why somebody doesn't want to talk about the game. In the case of this particular poster, I can understand his reluctance to engage in actual football discussion because he doesn't know much about it and is completely out of his depth.

by **neil** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:23 am

mmm miss quoted, however I'd like to say sgs brings somethin to the table.

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:50 am

bigmick wrote:We could certainly have stuck Leon in goal and still won it . . .

Compliment or pis.s take ?

Disclaimer - I am leathered.

by **neil** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:01 am

aCe' wrote:
sgs wrote:
bigmick wrote:Next week I'll do zonal marking for you if you like. The point here really isn't about hindsight, or even about rotation. It's about somebody coming onto a forum and being repeatedly and unnecessarily rude and confrontational. There is and was absolutely no need for it. I let it go, gave you the last word and then you come back in with more silliness.

From there you've made your bed. In terms of football knowledge, not opinions about hinsight/rotation or any of the peripheral issues, you are out of your depth to be totally honest. That's OK, but it makes your initial stance and your continued provacation even harder to take. Disagree with any point I make by all means, passionately disagree all you like. Don't though come on here and start throwing your wieght around, trying to lecture people about subjects which you clearly are unqualified so to do.

We agree to differ and that's fine by me. Have a read back through the defensive patters thing though, you never know you might learn something.

Thanks for the lecture. You are right, there is always something to learn..

But sir, it is about hindsight cus u partly justify your position on Keane by telling us how grannies could've scored against Newcastle. This being said after the fact! I don't recall anyone, including you, telling us Newcastle would be this bad b/4 the game...

2ndly, I asked u at the very beginning: if the object of team selection is to win games, and we won 5-1 on the basis of Rafa's selection, how can it still be ridiculous?

These are questions I ask genuinely. Perhaps you can teach me a few more things...

lsn i think i get ur point... its quite simple but then again thats what is to be expected from you anyways...

ur main problem seems to be with people biitching if you will about the team selection even though we ended up winning the game 5-1...
lsn mate... donno how long u'v been watching liverpool for but from what iv seen over the years... ever since Rafa took over.. rotation has never done us any good... even when we do end up rotating and winning games, it never stays that way for long..

this season we'v seen marked improvements in that department and we'v started picking a somehwat consistent starting 11 week in week out...

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