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by **JoeTerp** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:23 pm

Sabre wrote:
ISpain is heavily influenced by religion,

Supits, you mean in the past right? The typical Spaniard is very cynical towards catholicism.

For a young Spaniard it's not fashionable to be Catholic. Note that our last dictator's policy was ultra conservative and ultracatholic, so in current times, there's still a lot of grudges against anything coming from the church.

Oficially, my country is non-religious. If you wish, you can ask part of your taxes goes to the catholic church, but just as an option, if you wish this percentage will go somewhere else.

Even when you see in southern spain this devotion to Mary the Virgin, it's not true catholic devotion, but devotion to a local Mary of that town.

No, the only influential religion in my country is football really, you won't see a parliament session interrupted for religious reasons, but you can see that for a football match.

hence the curse lifting garlic

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:26 pm

JoeTerp wrote:
Sabre wrote:
ISpain is heavily influenced by religion,

Supits, you mean in the past right? The typical Spaniard is very cynical towards catholicism.

For a young Spaniard it's not fashionable to be Catholic. Note that our last dictator's policy was ultra conservative and ultracatholic, so in current times, there's still a lot of grudges against anything coming from the church.

Oficially, my country is non-religious. If you wish, you can ask part of your taxes goes to the catholic church, but just as an option, if you wish this percentage will go somewhere else.

Even when you see in southern spain this devotion to Mary the Virgin, it's not true catholic devotion, but devotion to a local Mary of that town.

No, the only influential religion in my country is football really, you won't see a parliament session interrupted for religious reasons, but you can see that for a football match.

hence the curse lifting garlic

there were vampires?

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:33 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
Sabre wrote:
ISpain is heavily influenced by religion,

Supits, you mean in the past right? The typical Spaniard is very cynical towards catholicism.

For a young Spaniard it's not fashionable to be Catholic. Note that our last dictator's policy was ultra conservative and ultracatholic, so in current times, there's still a lot of grudges against anything coming from the church.

Oficially, my country is non-religious. If you wish, you can ask part of your taxes goes to the catholic church, but just as an option, if you wish this percentage will go somewhere else.

Even when you see in southern spain this devotion to Mary the Virgin, it's not true catholic devotion, but devotion to a local Mary of that town.

No, the only influential religion in my country is football really, you won't see a parliament session interrupted for religious reasons, but you can see that for a football match.

hence the curse lifting garlic

there were vampires?

Vampires that serve as invisible goalkeepers to keep teams from scoring.

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:25 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Sabre wrote:Ah yes, you're spot on there. Understanding Spain's past without religion is impossible.

And yes, beautiful cathedrals. In my town we have a shíty one of the XVI century, because the English burnt the old one while liberating the town from the french.

But in deeper Spain you have authenthic architecture beauties.

Sabre is Basque is different kind of religion?

Basque is not a religion. It is an autonomous region of Spain in the north. There was a constitution referendum not so long ago that was passed, though many of the people in the region state that they never endorsed it, hence groups like ETA existing.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:38 pm

i remember a picture of them being posted here. they had white masks and looked like a funnier version of Michael Myers. thanks Em. i think religion and races should never have existed as its caused so much trouble.

by **Judge** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:56 pm

christianity - 2.2 billion followers
islam - >1 billion
hinduism - 750 million
Buddism - 350 million
Sikhism - 24 million
Judaism - 12 million (but worlds oldest)

these figures are approximate

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:04 pm

Judge wrote:christianity - 2.2 billion followers
islam - >1 billion
hinduism - 750 million
Buddism - 350 million
Sikhism - 24 million
Judaism - 12 million (but worlds oldest)

these figures are approximate

which country Judge?

by **Judge** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:05 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Judge wrote:christianity - 2.2 billion followers
islam - >1 billion
hinduism - 750 million
Buddism - 350 million
Sikhism - 24 million
Judaism - 12 million (but worlds oldest)

these figures are approximate

which country Judge?

worldwide figures

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:09 pm

but even in within christianity theres like divisions? mormons, methodists, protestants and catholics.

by **Judge** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:11 pm

i know

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:59 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:i remember a picture of them being posted here. they had white masks and looked like a funnier version of Michael Myers. thanks Em. i think religion and races should never have existed as its caused so much trouble.

It's never the religion that causes the problems. I think you'll find the vast majority of trouble caused through history have been by politicians. Soldiers don't cause wars, politicians do. Politics and religion are inextricably intwined unfortunately. For me, my religion is a personal thing, as it should be.

by **Number 9** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:23 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:i remember a picture of them being posted here. they had white masks and looked like a funnier version of Michael Myers. thanks Em. i think religion and races should never have existed as its caused so much trouble.

It's never the religion that causes the problems. I think you'll find the vast majority of trouble caused through history have been by politicians. Soldiers don't cause wars, politicians do. Politics and religion are inextricably intwined unfortunately. For me, my religion is a personal thing, as it should be.

Pity the priests never kept it personal instead of abusing the kids over here.
A lot of catholics i know over here lost all respect for the church after that all came out a few years back!

Each to their own,I just cant be doing with religion in any shape or form but i respect peoples right to practice whatever they choose!

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:14 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:i remember a picture of them being posted here. they had white masks and looked like a funnier version of Michael Myers. thanks Em. i think religion and races should never have existed as its caused so much trouble.

It's never the religion that causes the problems. I think you'll find the vast majority of trouble caused through history have been by politicians. Soldiers don't cause wars, politicians do. Politics and religion are inextricably intwined unfortunately. For me, my religion is a personal thing, as it should be.

Pity the priests never kept it personal instead of abusing the kids over here.
A lot of catholics i know over here lost all respect for the church after that all came out a few years back!

Each to their own,I just cant be doing with religion in any shape or form but i respect peoples right to practice whatever they choose!

It's a disgrace that there are men out there that will use the guise of "priest" to abuse children, because if you think about it, what better facade is there for a pedophile to get away - or at least think he can - than using the sacred vows of the Cloth to hid behind. Afterall, a priest is holy and would never do any harm because they follow the word of God. People are people, and people carry all kinds of demons, it's just when a person is wearing the cloth of a priest that it becomes a scandal. They are not priests; they are monsters using the Church as a vehicle to beguile their victims. If a child is devote Catholic, and one of these monsters tells a child that they will burn in Hell forever if they speak, then it's an easy way for them to get away with what they do for so long. There are monsters like this in all walks of life, not just in the Catholic Church. When something like this is used to demean an entire faith, well that's just as disgraceful, because no decent person can condone such a thing, and nowhere in the Bible does it excuse such action, yet some will view the faith as a disgrace because of it and use that as a weapon against it and those that practice it. The Catholic Church, however, is not absolved of any guilt in such things. Sometimes these priests are even protected, or indeed left to do what they do, when some within the Church guilty of knowing what is going on. It's even guilty of not speaking out against monsters in a way that vilifies them. The whole Catholic Church is corrupt and well known for it's hypocrisy. The foundations that it's built on are sound, unfortunately the hearts and minds of the men that control it are not, though this can be said for more or less every major foundation there has ever been.

by **Number 9** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:29 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:i remember a picture of them being posted here. they had white masks and looked like a funnier version of Michael Myers. thanks Em. i think religion and races should never have existed as its caused so much trouble.

It's never the religion that causes the problems. I think you'll find the vast majority of trouble caused through history have been by politicians. Soldiers don't cause wars, politicians do. Politics and religion are inextricably intwined unfortunately. For me, my religion is a personal thing, as it should be.

Pity the priests never kept it personal instead of abusing the kids over here.
A lot of catholics i know over here lost all respect for the church after that all came out a few years back!

Each to their own,I just cant be doing with religion in any shape or form but i respect peoples right to practice whatever they choose!

It's a disgrace that there are men out there that will use the guise of "priest" to abuse children, because if you think about it, what better facade is there for a pedophile to get away - or at least think he can - than using the sacred vows of the Cloth to hid behind. Afterall, a priest is holy and would never do any harm because they follow the word of God. People are people, and people carry all kinds of demons, it's just when a person is wearing the cloth of a priest that it becomes a scandal. They are not priests; they are monsters using the Church as a vehicle to beguile their victims. If a child is devote Catholic, and one of these monsters tells a child that they will burn in Hell forever if they speak, then it's an easy way for them to get away with what they do for so long. There are monsters like this in all walks of life, not just in the Catholic Church. When something like this is used to demean an entire faith, well that's just as disgraceful, because no decent person can condone such a thing, and nowhere in the Bible does it excuse such action, yet some will view the faith as a disgrace because of it and use that as a weapon against it and those that practice it. The Catholic Church, however, is not absolved of any guilt in such things. Sometimes these priests are even protected, or indeed left to do what they do, when some within the Church guilty of knowing what is going on. It's even guilty of not speaking out against monsters in a way that vilifies them. The whole Catholic Church is corrupt and well known for it's hypocrisy. The foundations that it's built on are sound, unfortunately the hearts and minds of the men that control it are not, though this can be said for more or less every major foundation there has ever been.

Spot on honest post mate!

Yeah I know of a few priests here that were moved to another church as parents complained of abuse.Rather than let them face the law,it was brushed under the carpet..disgusting.
The way things were back then though,Catholics(about 99.9% nationalists) just did not use the law.Unbelievable but parents went to the church and complained rather than going to British authorities as they seen them as the enemy.

Personally if it was my kid Id have went straight to the fu'ckers door and cut his balls off and told him to stick them up his @rse along with his Hail Marys!

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:51 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:i remember a picture of them being posted here. they had white masks and looked like a funnier version of Michael Myers. thanks Em. i think religion and races should never have existed as its caused so much trouble.

It's never the religion that causes the problems. I think you'll find the vast majority of trouble caused through history have been by politicians. Soldiers don't cause wars, politicians do. Politics and religion are inextricably intwined unfortunately. For me, my religion is a personal thing, as it should be.

Pity the priests never kept it personal instead of abusing the kids over here.
A lot of catholics i know over here lost all respect for the church after that all came out a few years back!

Each to their own,I just cant be doing with religion in any shape or form but i respect peoples right to practice whatever they choose!

It's a disgrace that there are men out there that will use the guise of "priest" to abuse children, because if you think about it, what better facade is there for a pedophile to get away - or at least think he can - than using the sacred vows of the Cloth to hid behind. Afterall, a priest is holy and would never do any harm because they follow the word of God. People are people, and people carry all kinds of demons, it's just when a person is wearing the cloth of a priest that it becomes a scandal. They are not priests; they are monsters using the Church as a vehicle to beguile their victims. If a child is devote Catholic, and one of these monsters tells a child that they will burn in Hell forever if they speak, then it's an easy way for them to get away with what they do for so long. There are monsters like this in all walks of life, not just in the Catholic Church. When something like this is used to demean an entire faith, well that's just as disgraceful, because no decent person can condone such a thing, and nowhere in the Bible does it excuse such action, yet some will view the faith as a disgrace because of it and use that as a weapon against it and those that practice it. The Catholic Church, however, is not absolved of any guilt in such things. Sometimes these priests are even protected, or indeed left to do what they do, when some within the Church guilty of knowing what is going on. It's even guilty of not speaking out against monsters in a way that vilifies them. The whole Catholic Church is corrupt and well known for it's hypocrisy. The foundations that it's built on are sound, unfortunately the hearts and minds of the men that control it are not, though this can be said for more or less every major foundation there has ever been.

Spot on honest post mate!

Yeah I know of a few priests here that were moved to another church as parents complained of abuse.Rather than let them face the law,it was brushed under the carpet..disgusting.
The way things were back then though,Catholics(about 99.9% nationalists) just did not use the law.Unbelievable but parents went to the church and complained rather than going to British authorities as they seen them as the enemy.

Personally if it was my kid Id have went straight to the fu'ckers door and cut his balls off and told him to stick them up his @rse along with his Hail Marys!

No doubt people did take the "preferred" action that you stated you would do personally. I don't think people were reluctant to go to the law, though. Most of the worst cases took place in the Republic, but most of those cases have only recently seen the light of day, and the monsters exposed because the kids they abused grew up and realized what took place. These people are evil, and as such evil has a way of cunning, as the Devil does. They know what they are doing, and have ways to protect themselves. If a child speaks of something, then it's one thing saying it, another to prove it. Most of the times they get away with it the first time because of this. The law can't do a thing, so I'm sure parents would have sought their own means of justice, most likely landing them in jail in the process. It's only when a case is presented when more than one persons come forward and speak out against a certain individual that that individual is inevitably exposed for what he is. Remember, forensic science wasn't what it was 20 years ago or more, and such things were regarded as taboo in a close-knit Catholic community. It would have been more out of fear, ridicule and rebuke of other people in the community and the Church, rather for political stances that no one really came forward. Today people's faith is not as strong, nor the community, so speaking out is easier. There were far worse things going on at those times within the Church. Some Nuns committed crimes that pale those in comparison committed by certain so called "priests".

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