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by **lakes10** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:07 pm

bavlondon wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:rafa really shouldnt have been given a new contract until the end of the season where his performance can be judged.

Maybe the owners wanted to make sure Madrid or no one else starts poking their nose around before then when it could be too late.

read my last post in the Takeover thread as to why he might have got the contract.

by **Toffeehater** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:09 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:rafa really shouldnt have been given a new contract until the end of the season where his performance can be judged.

Maybe the owners wanted to make sure Madrid or no one else starts poking their nose around before then when it could be too late.

but now that his future is settled he might have this idea that he can take his foot of the peddle.

He'd be sacked withing 6 months if he was the manager of madrid , bloody clown . He'd make dudek their first choice with ramos playing as a right midfielder

by **tubby** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:10 pm

lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:90% ? Thats saying something Lakes. Do you know something we dont about Keane?

Was i the only one to hear Radio five live last night?

Spurs have said they would like him back (the board) most Spurs fans would also take him back, Keane has said he would like more first team football (65 mins a week is not doing it for him).

Of Rafa is not playing him then he sold be sold, why pay the guy to sit on the bench and not use him, sell him and get some money back.

Wanting him back is one thing but we would only consider such a bid if 1) We recieved a bid very close to what we paid and 2) Rafa was able to secure another striker at the same time (Owen :-))

Even then it sounds like more wishful thinking than anything.

by **Toffeehater** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:11 pm

The_Rock wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
nandomrp wrote:
jedwards wrote::angry:
How do expect a negative manger like this idiot Benitez is going to win the league? NO CHANCE as long as he uses players like those two donkeys Kuyt and Benayoun who both had handful of chances to win this game!!!!!!!!!. And still keep his beloved donkey Kuyt on, for the whole match thinking he might gets him the wining goal!!!!!.

Just yesterday the idiot Benitez has opened his big mouth about winning the league!!! and a lot of fools have already started to compare him with the master Shankly; this is really an insult to the maker of Liverpool Football Club.
Benitez is a very negative manager FULL STOP. Wining the league is beyond him, he is only here for the money, and his talk about wining the league is only to justify his asking for new contract with more money. He will not win a jack .

This is the expected turning point of the season, dropped two points today, and three points next week against Arsenal, and soon LFC will be fighting to secure the forth spot, the prime target, which it was really the same old story for the last three seasons.

Any manager, who is fully knowing that one or two of his players aren't performing and badly struggling on the pitch, to help the team's cause, and refuses to replace them with better players who are sitting on the bench, REALLY HE IS AN IDIOT AND BAD MANAGER, AND NOT STUBBORN AS OTHER CLAIMS!!!!!! and that what really Benitez is.

and who we can put in his place?

1) Jose Mourinho
2) Guus Hiddink
3) Rikaard

Take your pick of them would be better than this clown

Whoa........now even you are against beneitz ?

Gosh.....

Was never on his side , he's a lucky manager still here because of that miracle he pulled off in istanbul , hope he proves me wrong though

by **Toffeehater** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:14 pm

bavlondon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:90% ? Thats saying something Lakes. Do you know something we dont about Keane?

Was i the only one to hear Radio five live last night?

Spurs have said they would like him back (the board) most Spurs fans would also take him back, Keane has said he would like more first team football (65 mins a week is not doing it for him).

Of Rafa is not playing him then he sold be sold, why pay the guy to sit on the bench and not use him, sell him and get some money back.

Wanting him back is one thing but we would only consider such a bid if 1) We recieved a bid very close to what we paid and 2) Rafa was able to secure another striker at the same time (Owen :-))

Even then it sounds like more wishful thinking than anything.

If we get a decent offer for keane , let him go and get owen back , whether rafa can swallow his pride and do it is another thing

by **JC_81** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:14 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Bam wrote:Try sulking like the rest of us,

I am not ashamed to admit I cried at the final whistle, because I know deep down inside the consiqences of more points dropped at home yet again.
We will not win the league.

Can't say I cried, but today is the day that has changed my thinking from 'we have a chance to win this league' to 'probably not this year'.

I fear we have already thrown away too many easy points at Anfield. After the win last week I thought we'd maybe turned the corner, but the same problems came back to haunt us today.

I don't think we can win this league with our current personnel, but we are not far away. We need a striker who can put the ball in the net apart from Torres. People will point to Keane not being brought on today, and I admit it was strange, but would have been by no means guaranteed to change the game.

Benitez deserves to be questioned for his decisions today, as does his signing of Dossena and as do our title credentials when we have 3 successive home draws against lesser sides. I :censored:

hacked off with the result today and coming on here and spouting optimistic nonsense would be against my true feelings, so fu.ck it I'll be a miserable git.

by **nandomrp** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:17 pm

bavlondon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:90% ? Thats saying something Lakes. Do you know something we dont about Keane?

Was i the only one to hear Radio five live last night?

Spurs have said they would like him back (the board) most Spurs fans would also take him back, Keane has said he would like more first team football (65 mins a week is not doing it for him).

Of Rafa is not playing him then he sold be sold, why pay the guy to sit on the bench and not use him, sell him and get some money back.

Wanting him back is one thing but we would only consider such a bid if 1) We recieved a bid very close to what we paid and 2) Rafa was able to secure another striker at the same time (Owen :-))

Even then it sounds like more wishful thinking than anything.

Owen?!
it´s a joke?

by **Madmax** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:19 pm

i say if we finnish third and get out of the champs league.. sack uncle benny and his bum lover kuyt.

by **Reg** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:23 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Reg wrote:Someone needs to tell our lads we draw with teams BETTER than us, not the likes of Stoke, West Ham and Hull.

Pathetic.

You can hardly bracket Hull with West Ham and Fulham

Why not?

by **slickrick** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:33 pm

just after reading through a few of the comments and can i just say the people who are on here saying kuyt played well should stop following football now because ye know :censored:

all, kuyt was absolutely shocking today and if ye can't see that then there's no hope for ye, shocking result, title? not a fear of it, stand by my prediction that we won't be within 10 points of the winners

by **Almighty Red** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:35 pm

Madmax wrote:i say if we finnish third and get out of the champs league.. sack uncle benny and his bum lover kuyt.

I don't know what makes that comment less valid- the fact that it was clearly a rather extreme overreaction after a disappointing result, or the pathetic homophobia which you have to use in an attempt to mock Benitez.

by **tonyeh** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:42 pm

Well, another couple of points fücked away...and let's be very clear about this...it was Benitez's fault, pure and simple. But not a bad result, considering Liverpool were playing with ten men.

I've called Rafa a cowardly manager in the past and on the basis of todays awful choices, he still is. Playing 4-5-1 (or 4-5 in actual fact) against Hull was and incredibly bad decision. It was a cowardly decsion. A decision made by a manager who is afraid to play attacking formations.

And it's cost us dearly today.

Now, we're all just fans on here, but I'd wager that there isn't a single person on this that would have played that lineup against Hull City. Yet, here we have 19 million pounds "worth" of manager choosing to play a defensive formation with possibly (no ABSOLUTELY) the worst choice of "striker" possible.

To single out Kuyt today may be a tiny bit unfair, when Bennayoon, Arbeloa, Dossena and even Masch had pretty bad games. Especially, the former two. But, while the other players made some contribution, Dirk Kuyt gave us NOTHING in the position the manager chose for him. And before the usual Kuyt concubines start bleating about energy, understand this...energy is useless when it is directed aimlessly into nowhere and all too often that is where his much touted "energy" goes.

Only a manager like Raphael Benitez would choose to play Kuyt as a lone striker in a Title challenging team. Not only that, he is the only manager that would leave him on the pitch when quite clearly his contribution is nil. I simply cannot imagine Wenger, Ferguson or Scolari playing Kuyt in this position. In fact, they just wouldn't have him in the side in the first place.

To compound that, Benitez not only left Dirk Kuyt on, he made his usual stubborn and un-necessary substitution of Babel (a forward) for Riera (a Left midfielder) and also chose not to double up his strike options, but instead brought on more midfielders!

Can there be really anyone on here that honestly thought those substitutions made an ounce of tactical sense? Really?

No, Benitez is most absolutely to blame for being insturmental in throwing away 2 points AND the top spot today.

And as for Robbie Keane, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if there was some altercation going on between him and Rafa behind the scenes and what's more, if I was keane I'd be asking for a transfer in January, because how Benitez is choosing to use him has been absolutely terrible.

These carelessly dropped points at home are the games which Liverpool fans will be looking back on at the end of the season as the turning points of the year, if we yet again end up in 3rd or 4th spot and results like today can be avoided if the manager did his homework and had a bit more balls to try an attacking formation.

As I type this Utd are being held at 0-0 in the second half of a lacklustre game and once again I am hoping that both they and Chelsea somehow fück up and get us out of jail yet again. I won't hold my breath though.

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:43 pm

Toffeehater wrote:Rafa likes to change the center back pairing and it cost us today ,

what are you talking about. Centre half is one of the least rotated positions in the team over the last few years.

by **tubby** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:47 pm

It wasnt defensive mistakes that cost us 2 points. It was the lack of cutting edge up front. Wasted chance after wasted chance. Open goal missed from Kuyt.

by **JC_81** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:48 pm

tonyeh wrote:And as for Robbie Keane, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if there was some altercation going on between him and Rafa behind the scenes

I agree, I reckon something must have happened.

Today looked more like Rafa being stubborn rather than thinking that players like Lucas and El Zhar genuinely had more of a chance of changing the game for us than Keane.

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