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by **SupitsJonF** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:24 am

LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:So its a team, and we need someone to cover that position, not striker. We have the worlds best striker already, and its not Babel. So if he cant play that position, why should the team not sell the player to get someone he needs to play in that position?

Its a team game.

then get rid of keane he was one shaking his head and moaning tonight every 3-4 mins who is team player ?

babel was gaining some confidence for first time in long time and keane was just sucking it out of him reminds me of some posters on here.

Keane was annoying with the hand motions, but some were justified. Babel could of played him through, and confidence or not at that point and time we needed a goal (1-1 at the moment, 2nd seed). Instead he chose to be greedy.

I agree but surely a player of keanes exp should know babel has had even a harder ride this season then he has and hasn't babel score more goals in what a 10th of the time keane has had.

Imo keane doesn't have the right to be shaking his head at a young lad that is out performing him.

Also runs are not always made ot take a pass infact both of those times keane took players with him on those runs and i feel the pass wouldn't have got a goal as he didn't have pace to make it count.

Fair point. He did bring the whole back line with him then.

by **heimdall** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:24 am

If it's a team game then why don't we try playing Keane out on the right and move Babel up front. Babel looks far more confident and has more raw ability as a striker at the moment than Keane. Keane works hard but gets into a lot of weird positions plus why the hell is he constantly back in deep midfield and then wondering why he is not scoring goals. A lot of times today you saw Keane and Babel almost swapping positions and that is when Liverpool actually created some drive going forwards.
I don't blame Babel for wanting to move on but I guarantee we will rue it if he does.

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:27 am

SupitsJonF wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:So its a team, and we need someone to cover that position, not striker. We have the worlds best striker already, and its not Babel. So if he cant play that position, why should the team not sell the player to get someone he needs to play in that position?

Its a team game.

then get rid of keane he was one shaking his head and moaning tonight every 3-4 mins who is team player ?

babel was gaining some confidence for first time in long time and keane was just sucking it out of him reminds me of some posters on here.

Keane was annoying with the hand motions, but some were justified. Babel could of played him through, and confidence or not at that point and time we needed a goal (1-1 at the moment, 2nd seed). Instead he chose to be greedy.

I agree but surely a player of keanes exp should know babel has had even a harder ride this season then he has and hasn't babel score more goals in what a 10th of the time keane has had.

Imo keane doesn't have the right to be shaking his head at a young lad that is out performing him.

Also runs are not always made ot take a pass infact both of those times keane took players with him on those runs and i feel the pass wouldn't have got a goal as he didn't have pace to make it count.

Fair point. He did bring the whole back line with him then.

yep babel only made the mistake of thinking he could score from 20 yards but i bet he was buzzing after that half time goal he scored.

Its funny when you a young player you really sometimes think you can score from any where.

I personaly think he should have done a step over took the ball wide right held it up for a few secs and smashed it across goal but he will learn these things he needs more match time.

The more times he gets in those posisitions the more he will learn what is effective to do and what is not.

We all forget torres when he come to out club was pretty rounded player and even had been captin of a top team.

Babel come from a really poor team and didn't have alot of exp.

He won't be a world beater over night.

by **Petar** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:31 am

heimdall wrote:If it's a team game then why don't we try playing Keane out on the right and move Babel up front. Babel looks far more confident and has more raw ability as a striker at the moment than Keane. Keane works hard but gets into a lot of weird positions plus why the hell is he constantly back in deep midfield and then wondering why he is not scoring goals. A lot of times today you saw Keane and Babel almost swapping positions and that is when Liverpool actually created some drive going forwards.
I don't blame Babel for wanting to move on but I guarantee we will rue it if he does.

spot on mate,common sense finnaly. Keane was actually on the left wing at the start of the season alittle bit. We must not let this jewel out of our hands. He will mature,skills and ability are not in question,fantastic player. Nanny don`t say me `Babel is not everything about Liverpool`,cause this is Ryan`s thread

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:31 am

heimdall wrote:If it's a team game then why don't we try playing Keane out on the right and move Babel up front. Babel looks far more confident and has more raw ability as a striker at the moment than Keane. Keane works hard but gets into a lot of weird positions plus why the hell is he constantly back in deep midfield and then wondering why he is not scoring goals. A lot of times today you saw Keane and Babel almost swapping positions and that is when Liverpool actually created some drive going forwards.
I don't blame Babel for wanting to move on but I guarantee we will rue it if he does.

yeah i get some feeling I see raw power in babel its something not many people in any sport let alone football , are blessed with.

I feel all other things in football can be learn't to some degree.

Look at drogba when he was young he was aweful at most things but he had this raw strenght that people could see a use for.

Rafa wants to bend that strenght into what he wants but some times if a player only wants to play up front then you have to chose if you want your way and pi.ss that player off or let him go and play him as striker or sell him.

but don't keep a real prospect like babel on bench all the time and wreck a chance to have a real gem(or play him where he will only lose confidence due to poor performances). :down:

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:34 am

Kinell, this thread gets more surreal by the minute. Fair play to Babel, he took his goal well even if the keeper might have done better with it. But anyone that doesn't think he fecked up large-style by not playing Keane in on the break is taking the p!ss. One simple pass into space and Keane's free and clear but, no, Babel decides to try it on himself. With the score level at a crucial time in the game it's just an unbelievably daft decision that should not simply be shrugged off as youthful exuberance. IMO, it's more evidence that the lad's more than a little light in the vision, awareness and teamwork departments. As for the rest of his match, he looked lively at times but I struggle to understand why he wasn't running at Salcido every chance he got. He roasted him early in the first half but didn't seem to fancy it after that. For a lad with pace he sure takes the easy option a lot of the time. Ball at his feet, fullback in tight and plenty of space to knock it past and chase and he's pulling up and looking to pass it infield? Kinell, lad, do you want an engraved invitation? :no

Still easily one of our most frustrating players and nowhere near the footballing messiah he's made out to be by a few of the lads in this thread.

by **Fo Dne** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:47 am

LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:So its a team, and we need someone to cover that position, not striker. We have the worlds best striker already, and its not Babel. So if he cant play that position, why should the team not sell the player to get someone he needs to play in that position?

Its a team game.

then get rid of keane he was one shaking his head and moaning tonight every 3-4 mins who is team player ?

babel was gaining some confidence for first time in long time and keane was just sucking it out of him reminds me of some posters on here.

Keane was annoying with the hand motions, but some were justified. Babel could of played him through, and confidence or not at that point and time we needed a goal (1-1 at the moment, 2nd seed). Instead he chose to be greedy.

I agree but surely a player of keanes exp should know babel has had even a harder ride this season then he has and hasn't babel score more goals in what a 10th of the time keane has had.

Imo keane doesn't have the right to be shaking his head at a young lad that is out performing him.

Also runs are not always made ot take a pass infact both of those times keane took players with him on those runs and i feel the pass wouldn't have got a goal as he didn't have pace to make it count.

You are having a laugh lad?

Keane made four or five runs and "the new Henry" chose not to play him in on every occassion. Keane had every right to peed off, for christs sake you would get sunday league players who would have made the right choice at least once in those situations.

by **Rush Job** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:53 am

Well I must have watching a different match because I didnt think he had a particularly good game, even including his goal. To often he chooses the wrong option going for glory and either runs straight into a defender or blazes high and wide, add to that a complete lack of urgency when he hasnt got the ball. Strange really, you wouldn't pick him as a Benitez player, FWIW I thought N gog had a better game.

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:27 am

Fo Dne wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:So its a team, and we need someone to cover that position, not striker. We have the worlds best striker already, and its not Babel. So if he cant play that position, why should the team not sell the player to get someone he needs to play in that position?

Its a team game.

then get rid of keane he was one shaking his head and moaning tonight every 3-4 mins who is team player ?

babel was gaining some confidence for first time in long time and keane was just sucking it out of him reminds me of some posters on here.

Keane was annoying with the hand motions, but some were justified. Babel could of played him through, and confidence or not at that point and time we needed a goal (1-1 at the moment, 2nd seed). Instead he chose to be greedy.

I agree but surely a player of keanes exp should know babel has had even a harder ride this season then he has and hasn't babel score more goals in what a 10th of the time keane has had.

Imo keane doesn't have the right to be shaking his head at a young lad that is out performing him.

Also runs are not always made ot take a pass infact both of those times keane took players with him on those runs and i feel the pass wouldn't have got a goal as he didn't have pace to make it count.

You are having a laugh lad?

Keane made four or five runs and "the new Henry" chose not to play him in on every occassion. Keane had every right to peed off, for christs sake you would get sunday league players who would have made the right choice at least once in those situations.

I wouldn't pass to that maoning tart either and to be fair I don't think he looked the buisness wide right he has shown he has eye for goal but clearly he is lacking in other areas , hence this is why i say he is out and out striker not a AM , LM , RM , RW or LW just a striker.

I did say that i wouldn't have passed to keane on that one through center due ot keanes lack of pace but i also think babel shouldn't have shot from 25 yeards either he should have run ball down right and crossed.

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:29 am

Rush Job wrote:Well I must have watching a different match because I didnt think he had a particularly good game, even including his goal. To often he chooses the wrong option going for glory and either runs straight into a defender or blazes high and wide, add to that a complete lack of urgency when he hasnt got the ball. Strange really, you wouldn't pick him as a Benitez player, FWIW I thought N gog had a better game.

I ave some of what your smoking rushie !

by **Rush Job** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:48 am

LegBarnes wrote:
Rush Job wrote:Well I must have watching a different match because I didnt think he had a particularly good game, even including his goal. To often he chooses the wrong option going for glory and either runs straight into a defender or blazes high and wide, add to that a complete lack of urgency when he hasnt got the ball. Strange really, you wouldn't pick him as a Benitez player, FWIW I thought N gog had a better game.

I ave some of what your smoking rushie !

Whats your point?

by **Fo Dne** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:54 am

LegBarnes wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:So its a team, and we need someone to cover that position, not striker. We have the worlds best striker already, and its not Babel. So if he cant play that position, why should the team not sell the player to get someone he needs to play in that position?

Its a team game.

then get rid of keane he was one shaking his head and moaning tonight every 3-4 mins who is team player ?

babel was gaining some confidence for first time in long time and keane was just sucking it out of him reminds me of some posters on here.

Keane was annoying with the hand motions, but some were justified. Babel could of played him through, and confidence or not at that point and time we needed a goal (1-1 at the moment, 2nd seed). Instead he chose to be greedy.

I agree but surely a player of keanes exp should know babel has had even a harder ride this season then he has and hasn't babel score more goals in what a 10th of the time keane has had.

Imo keane doesn't have the right to be shaking his head at a young lad that is out performing him.

Also runs are not always made ot take a pass infact both of those times keane took players with him on those runs and i feel the pass wouldn't have got a goal as he didn't have pace to make it count.

You are having a laugh lad?

Keane made four or five runs and "the new Henry" chose not to play him in on every occassion. Keane had every right to peed off, for christs sake you would get sunday league players who would have made the right choice at least once in those situations.

I wouldn't pass to that maoning tart either and to be fair I don't think he looked the buisness wide right he has shown he has eye for goal but clearly he is lacking in other areas , hence this is why i say he is out and out striker not a AM , LM , RM , RW or LW just a striker.

I did say that i wouldn't have passed to keane on that one through center due ot keanes lack of pace but i also think babel shouldn't have shot from 25 yeards either he should have run ball down right and crossed.

The reason the "tart" was moaning was the "waster" completely failed to do the most basic of things which would have resulted in either a goal or clear chance by returning the ball to the player who had originally given him the ball but instead... the waster completely ignored him and booted the ball as hard as he could intot he stand. Yeah, great play that lad. :censored:

brilliant, so much potential. All that because the :censored:

ego got to much for him, either that or he's to brain dead to do the basics, I actually think its a bit of both.

He's :censored:

lad, thats the end of it. As for him being a striker... :laugh:

alright son! Alright!

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:54 am

Rush Job wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
Rush Job wrote:Well I must have watching a different match because I didnt think he had a particularly good game, even including his goal. To often he chooses the wrong option going for glory and either runs straight into a defender or blazes high and wide, add to that a complete lack of urgency when he hasnt got the ball. Strange really, you wouldn't pick him as a Benitez player, FWIW I thought N gog had a better game.

I ave some of what your smoking rushie !

Whats your point?

Just that I agree I don't think you was watching same game as me.

by **Rush Job** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:43 am

LegBarnes wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
Rush Job wrote:Well I must have watching a different match because I didnt think he had a particularly good game, even including his goal. To often he chooses the wrong option going for glory and either runs straight into a defender or blazes high and wide, add to that a complete lack of urgency when he hasnt got the ball. Strange really, you wouldn't pick him as a Benitez player, FWIW I thought N gog had a better game.

I ave some of what your smoking rushie !

Whats your point?

Just that I agree I don't think you was watching same game as me.

Well if you thought Babel played well then fk knows what game you were watching, whereas as atleast N gogg was linking up with others and had a great finish, not a great game but better than babel who twice decided not to play Keane in on goal and instead did his usual blaze into the stand, I get the feeling he thinks he's a much better player than he is, also his work off the ball is non-existent.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:26 am

ive never seen such a selfish performance by a liverpool player in ages

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