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by **Alex G.** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:11 pm

Yes, but Ferguson, laughed out too loudly when we paid 20 million for Keane, so let that be a lesson to him.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:56 pm

I know this is hypertetative or what ever you call it but would anyone do a straight swap for Babel with Ashley Young.

I would an im talking football terms im being serious

by **Bam** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:12 pm

Do you mean Hyperthetical treacle ?

by **stmichael** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:17 pm

NANNY RED wrote:I know this is hypertetative or what ever you call it but would anyone do a straight swap for Babel with Ashley Young.

I would an im talking football terms im being serious

He's certainly better than anything we've got but I do feel that O'Neill went somewhat over the top yesterday in his praise for the guy. World Class? :laugh:

by **Reg** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:07 pm

NANNY RED wrote:I know this is hypertetative or what ever you call it but would anyone do a straight swap for Babel with Ashley Young.

I would an im talking football terms im being serious

I think you mean hypertesticle dont you Nan? :eyebrow

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:52 pm

I don't know about a straight swap for Ashley Young. I'd be up for it needless to say, but I'm not sure Villa would and you could hardly blame them. They cost about the same (Young was a bit cheaper but only marginally) and one has gone forward in leaps and bounds, while the other has at best stagnated and at worst gone backwards.

In fairness Young is left footed and plays left side of midfield as he has done throughout his career, coincidently this is where he plays for Aston Villa. Babel on the other hand is more difficult to pigeon hole into a set position (or at least we seem to find it more difficult to do so) and hasn't had the same minutes on the pitch as his Villa counterpart so perhaps that's the reason why. My guess is though it would take a Barry sized bid to even get Villa slightly interested (somewhere around 20 million quid) with the probability that you'd have to go 25% higher than that to get your man. Too much? Probably but I think he'll be the International left-midfielder for many years to come and those players don't come cheap.

Babels signing becomes more and more curious as time goes by. We shelled out (for us) a hefty fee for him and don't seem to fancy him at all in his favoured position (which is obviously as a striker). Now there is always the possibility that before we signed him we thought "feck me this lad'll make a great left-midfielder" but it requires a bit of a leap of faith to believe that. We can collectively bang on all we like about Babels attitude and workrate being the reason why he isn't given more of a chance, or indeed his lack of ability. The simple fact is though that whereas Young looks like an inspired signing who has probably doubled in value, Babel is looking more and more like a mistake and my hunch is we'd listen to offers at around 7-8 million.

by **Scottbot** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:58 pm

NANNY RED wrote:I know this is hypertetative or what ever you call it

the only thing that is world-class in this thread is that quote!!!!! Brilliant that Nan!

by **Fo Dne** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:59 pm

bigmick wrote:I don't know about a straight swap for Ashley Young. I'd be up for it needless to say, but I'm not sure Villa would and you could hardly blame them. They cost about the same (Young was a bit cheaper but only marginally) and one has gone forward in leaps and bounds, while the other has at best stagnated and at worst gone backwards.

In fairness Young is left footed and plays left side of midfield as he has done throughout his career, coincidently this is where he plays for Aston Villa. Babel on the other hand is more difficult to pigeon hole into a set position (or at least we seem to find it more difficult to do so) and hasn't had the same minutes on the pitch as his Villa counterpart so perhaps that's the reason why. My guess is though it would take a Barry sized bid to even get Villa slightly interested (somewhere around 20 million quid) with the probability that you'd have to go 25% higher than that to get your man. Too much? Probably but I think he'll be the International left-midfielder for many years to come and those players don't come cheap.

Babels signing becomes more and more curious as time goes by. We shelled out (for us) a hefty fee for him and don't seem to fancy him at all in his favoured position (which is obviously as a striker). Now there is always the possibility that before we signed him we thought "feck me this lad'll make a great left-midfielder" but it requires a bit of a leap of faith to believe that. We can collectively bang on all we like about Babels attitude and workrate being the reason why he isn't given more of a chance, or indeed his lack of ability. The simple fact is though that whereas Young looks like an inspired signing who has probably doubled in value, Babel is looking more and more like a mistake and my hunch is we'd listen to offers at around 7-8 million.

If fairness you want to check your facts. Young is right footed and plays on the left wing.

Babel has been a mistake since day one and Young has always been a good player since his days at Watford.

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:08 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
bigmick wrote:I don't know about a straight swap for Ashley Young. I'd be up for it needless to say, but I'm not sure Villa would and you could hardly blame them. They cost about the same (Young was a bit cheaper but only marginally) and one has gone forward in leaps and bounds, while the other has at best stagnated and at worst gone backwards.

In fairness Young is left footed and plays left side of midfield as he has done throughout his career, coincidently this is where he plays for Aston Villa. Babel on the other hand is more difficult to pigeon hole into a set position (or at least we seem to find it more difficult to do so) and hasn't had the same minutes on the pitch as his Villa counterpart so perhaps that's the reason why. My guess is though it would take a Barry sized bid to even get Villa slightly interested (somewhere around 20 million quid) with the probability that you'd have to go 25% higher than that to get your man. Too much? Probably but I think he'll be the International left-midfielder for many years to come and those players don't come cheap.

Babels signing becomes more and more curious as time goes by. We shelled out (for us) a hefty fee for him and don't seem to fancy him at all in his favoured position (which is obviously as a striker). Now there is always the possibility that before we signed him we thought "feck me this lad'll make a great left-midfielder" but it requires a bit of a leap of faith to believe that. We can collectively bang on all we like about Babels attitude and workrate being the reason why he isn't given more of a chance, or indeed his lack of ability. The simple fact is though that whereas Young looks like an inspired signing who has probably doubled in value, Babel is looking more and more like a mistake and my hunch is we'd listen to offers at around 7-8 million.

If fairness you want to check your facts. Young is right footed and plays on the left wing.

Babel has been a mistake since day one and Young has always been a good player since his days at Watford.

Fair enough about the footedness, but my point about him playing in the same position he always has holds good I think. I just find the signing and the handling of Babel absolutely baffling.

Now we know with Kuyt for instance that we signed him as a striker but he subsequently proved he wasn't up to it. we tried with him, God knows we tried but he just didn't cut it. Now he's converted himself into a right midfielder of sorts so good luck to the bloke.

Now I'm far from convinced that Babel is up to it as a striker either, but why on Earth do you pay 11 million quid for a striker and then never play him there? He's fairly obviously not a left midfielder either, so why sign him if you don't fancy him as a striker? Very odd.

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:10 pm

I should also say that for anybody who disputes that the manager doesn't fancy Babel up top, they should consider our last Home game. If I was a striker and the manager chose to bring Egg Nog on in front of me as a striker, I would come to the conclusion pretty sharpish that he at least doesn't really see me as the next Thierry Henri.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:20 pm

Scottbot wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:I know this is hypertetative or what ever you call it

the only thing that is world-class in this thread is that quote!!!!! Brilliant that Nan!

Bam knew what i meant Scott. I had a cob on an couldnt think of the word , Me dishwasher had just broke :laugh:

But i would take Young over Babel any day. i think Babel should study some vids of young he might learn a thing or to

by **tubby** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:00 pm

I dont think O'Niel would be that stupid to let him go. Babel should be made to watch videos of him give the ball away and run into people. And Rafa should give him a slap round the back of the head every time he does something silly. Eventually he will get better!

by **Rush Job** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:42 am

As I have said elsewhere if Madrid are really willing to part with 15m then I`d bite their hand off.
A 4m profit on a player who we are yet to pay for would be great IMO.

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:28 am

Rush Job wrote:As I have said elsewhere if Madrid are really willing to part with 15m then I`d bite their hand off.
A 4m profit on a player who we are yet to pay for would be great IMO.

why u think they offoring that cos he is a good player no way hang on i say he will only get better.

by **DanAn** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:53 am

LegBarnes wrote:
Rush Job wrote:As I have said elsewhere if Madrid are really willing to part with 15m then I`d bite their hand off.
A 4m profit on a player who we are yet to pay for would be great IMO.

why u think they offoring that cos he is a good player no way hang on i say he will only get better.

I agree, he's a good player but the problem is where to play him? I think 15m in this market is a lot of money. While in summer it might not have been worth it these days I think we could find a top class player like Arshavin.

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