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Bad Bob wrote:

Petar wrote:No need for stats Bad Bob,some things you can see from the games.

True.  I can see that he's got a poor first touch, his decision making is suspect, his off-the-ball movement is weak and he sometimes can't be a.rsed.  I can also see that he's an asset coming off the bench, late in games against teams that are willing to come out and look for a goal of their own because his pace and directness are a useful weapon running in behind against tired legs.  I've seen all of this stuff with Babel and having been saying as much for ages.  The stats are a one-off effort to clear up what's fast becoming a popular misconception about the lad but I assure you that I don't need stats to see that his place is on the bench as a supersub. 

So I suppose that you have seen Babel only in Liverpool where he is playing 15 minutes per game. And what bad decision making? Name me 5 better Liverpool players in terms of decision making.We have  not Xavi,Iniesta type of players obviously. What a load of

Petar wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

Petar wrote:No need for stats Bad Bob,some things you can see from the games.

True.  I can see that he's got a poor first touch, his decision making is suspect, his off-the-ball movement is weak and he sometimes can't be a.rsed.  I can also see that he's an asset coming off the bench, late in games against teams that are willing to come out and look for a goal of their own because his pace and directness are a useful weapon running in behind against tired legs.  I've seen all of this stuff with Babel and having been saying as much for ages.  The stats are a one-off effort to clear up what's fast becoming a popular misconception about the lad but I assure you that I don't need stats to see that his place is on the bench as a supersub. 

So I suppose that you have seen Babel only in Liverpool where he is playing 15 minutes per game. And what bad decision making? Name me 5 better Liverpool players in terms of decision making.We have  not Xavi,Iniesta type of players obviously. What a load of

Of course I mean what he's done for Liverpool as that's the context that matters.  What he did at Ajax is irrelevant.  What he does for the Netherlands is swell but not necessarily translatable to our side so, yeah, I'm basing this on what he's produced in a red shirt.

As for his decision making: Alonso, Gerrard, Torres, Carragher, Mascherano, Reina, Riera...need I go on?

Bad Bob wrote:

Petar wrote:No need for stats Bad Bob,some things you can see from the games.

True.  I can see that he's got a poor first touch, his decision making is suspect, his off-the-ball movement is weak and he sometimes can't be a.rsed.  I can also see that he's an asset coming off the bench, late in games against teams that are willing to come out and look for a goal of their own because his pace and directness are a useful weapon running in behind against tired legs.  I've seen all of this stuff with Babel and having been saying as much for ages.  The stats are a one-off effort to clear up what's fast becoming a popular misconception about the lad but I assure you that I don't need stats to see that his place is on the bench as a supersub. 

This sums Babel up perfectly.

Rockthekop wrote:How can you be so critical of Babel based on a handful of starts? You're having a laugh. 

Kuyt was given his chance and even though he really is nothing more than an average player with a work rate of 1000% he has done well.

Babel has every right to feel very aggrieved, give the lad a chance.

bigmick wrote:Petar, for post number five that's quite confrontational. Anybody who has watched Liverpool regularly has seen Babel do some excellent things, and has seen him be poor as well. Pointing out that he has on occasions been poor is not talking sh!te, it's stating the glaringly obvious. Now you can argue till you're blue in the face that he hasn't been given a fair chance (and he certainly wasn't against West Ham for instance), but you can't sensibly argue that he doesn't run up blind alleys, lacks awareness etc.

Your comment about his decision making is frankly absurd. Riena, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyppia, Agger, Aurelio, Masherano, Gerrard, Alonso, Kuyt, Benayoun, Riera, Keane and Torres off the top of my head all make better decisons on a consistent basis than Babel. You have highlighted the one area of his game that he most needs to improve on. I'm actually in something of a minority as I quite like him, but lets be serious hey?

You and Bob,now tell me... How many Utd`s players are better than Ronaldo in decision making. Can you see now what am I talking about? He and Ronaldo,or Quaresma,or Nani,or Ibrahimovic,or Hleb,or Kalou,or Walcott can do 5 things per match and they all do,but what makes them better than the 90 percent of other players are their speed,skills,strength,game inteligence... Almost every Ronaldo`s shot go about 20 yards above goal,but defenders are scared of him,so would be scared of Ryan if he is on the pitch constantly. And 2834747474 posts doesn`t mean that you know football better than me. You are not direct poster,as I can see. If someone asked you about Henry in Arsenal,you would say... Hm I am not sure,He barely use his left foot,he can not head the ball,he doesn`t track back enough,but yeah,he is great in front of the goal,so I can not decide

roberto green wrote:Babel is a good player IMO and i'm not arced what people say on here against him (everyone is entitled to their opinion)cos when he comes good they will be the ones saying he's the best thing since sliced bread, sadly saying that by this time he will be playing for Real Madrid or some other minow team like that lol.

The problem with Babel is he has a manager who likes workhorses i.e kuyt (an old fashioned player, a die heart give it all action hero who has no technique and no pace who would of been good in the 70's, maybe?):D You know i'm right as much as i apriciate his work rate.

So coming back to Babel most seem to forget one of the reasons Paco going as Benitez's no 2, and that's cos they had different views on him and Paco didn't agree how Benitez had bought this yong dutch striker to play on the wing when he was a striker.

I can't understand how many can say he is when he has never really been giving a chance or a run of games to show this, and even tho as a bit part player he has been POOR (mainly when the rest of the team has been poor too)he has EQUALLY won us games and scored us goals and showed us alot more promise than half the players in the squad that get given umpteen optuninties and never ever produce.

But as i say i'm not really arsed just trying to give the lad a chance A lad who is only young who has a manager who doesn't rate him and would rather play with an old fashioned work horse and play it safe with the type of player that will make sure we carry on gettin 0-0 against poor teams that come to defend at Anfield because they are not direct enough or have the pace or balls to take on a player and part of the reason we won't win the league.

Like i say just my opinion so don't get on your high horses

Yeah I agree,some people just don`t want to accept that this situation with Ryan is Rafa`s mistake,and now Ryan is poor because Rafa decide not to play him. I`ve been reading this forum for a while and I laughed when this lad bigmick said that Kuyt is not actually after slagging him,until Dirk scored cople of goals. And suddenly he is our best RM-but he is not,he is quality forward that scored loads of goals during his career and should be played in front of the goal. I am saying this because some people will celebrate Ryan as our top 3 footballer when he finally gets his chance(not neccessairly under Benitez) and playing exciting fast football with some goals

roberto green wrote:Babel is a good player IMO and i'm not arced what people say on here against him (everyone is entitled to their opinion)cos when he comes good they will be the ones saying he's the best thing since sliced bread, sadly saying that by this time he will be playing for Real Madrid or some other minow team like that lol.

The problem with Babel is he has a manager who likes workhorses i.e kuyt (an old fashioned player, a die heart give it all action hero who has no technique and no pace who would of been good in the 70's, maybe?):D You know i'm right as much as i apriciate his work rate.

So coming back to Babel most seem to forget one of the reasons Paco going as Benitez's no 2, and that's cos they had different views on him and Paco didn't agree how Benitez had bought this yong dutch striker to play on the wing when he was a striker.

I can't understand how many can say he is when he has never really been giving a chance or a run of games to show this, and even tho as a bit part player he has been POOR (mainly when the rest of the team has been poor too)he has EQUALLY won us games and scored us goals and showed us alot more promise than half the players in the squad that get given umpteen optuninties and never ever produce.

But as i say i'm not really arsed just trying to give the lad a chance A lad who is only young who has a manager who doesn't rate him and would rather play with an old fashioned work horse and play it safe with the type of player that will make sure we carry on gettin 0-0 against poor teams that come to defend at Anfield because they are not direct enough or have the pace or balls to take on a player and part of the reason we won't win the league.

Like i say just my opinion so don't get on your high horses

The bit about Paco is hilairious!

Petar wrote:

bigmick wrote:Petar, for post number five that's quite confrontational. Anybody who has watched Liverpool regularly has seen Babel do some excellent things, and has seen him be poor as well. Pointing out that he has on occasions been poor is not talking sh!te, it's stating the glaringly obvious. Now you can argue till you're blue in the face that he hasn't been given a fair chance (and he certainly wasn't against West Ham for instance), but you can't sensibly argue that he doesn't run up blind alleys, lacks awareness etc.

Your comment about his decision making is frankly absurd. Riena, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyppia, Agger, Aurelio, Masherano, Gerrard, Alonso, Kuyt, Benayoun, Riera, Keane and Torres off the top of my head all make better decisons on a consistent basis than Babel. You have highlighted the one area of his game that he most needs to improve on. I'm actually in something of a minority as I quite like him, but lets be serious hey?

You and Bob,now tell me... How many Utd`s players are better than Ronaldo in decision making. Can you see now what am I talking about? He and Ronaldo,or Quaresma,or Nani,or Ibrahimovic,or Hleb,or Kalou,or Walcott can do 5 things per match and they all do,but what makes them better than the 90 percent of other players are their speed,skills,strength,game inteligence... Almost every Ronaldo`s shot go about 20 yards above goal,but defenders are scared of him,so would be scared of Ryan if he is on the pitch constantly. And 2834747474 posts doesn`t mean that you know football better than me. You are not direct poster,as I can see. If someone asked you about Henry in Arsenal,you would say... Hm I am not sure,He barely use his left foot,he can not head the ball,he doesn`t track back enough,but yeah,he is great in front of the goal,so I can not decide

So you're comparing Babel with Ronaldo?

Fo Dne wrote:

roberto green wrote:Babel is a good player IMO and i'm not arced what people say on here against him (everyone is entitled to their opinion)cos when he comes good they will be the ones saying he's the best thing since sliced bread, sadly saying that by this time he will be playing for Real Madrid or some other minow team like that lol.

The problem with Babel is he has a manager who likes workhorses i.e kuyt (an old fashioned player, a die heart give it all action hero who has no technique and no pace who would of been good in the 70's, maybe?):D You know i'm right as much as i apriciate his work rate.

So coming back to Babel most seem to forget one of the reasons Paco going as Benitez's no 2, and that's cos they had different views on him and Paco didn't agree how Benitez had bought this yong dutch striker to play on the wing when he was a striker.

I can't understand how many can say he is when he has never really been giving a chance or a run of games to show this, and even tho as a bit part player he has been POOR (mainly when the rest of the team has been poor too)he has EQUALLY won us games and scored us goals and showed us alot more promise than half the players in the squad that get given umpteen optuninties and never ever produce.

But as i say i'm not really arsed just trying to give the lad a chance A lad who is only young who has a manager who doesn't rate him and would rather play with an old fashioned work horse and play it safe with the type of player that will make sure we carry on gettin 0-0 against poor teams that come to defend at Anfield because they are not direct enough or have the pace or balls to take on a player and part of the reason we won't win the league.

Like i say just my opinion so don't get on your high horses

The bit about Paco is hilairious!

roberto green wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

roberto green wrote:Babel is a good player IMO and i'm not arced what people say on here against him (everyone is entitled to their opinion)cos when he comes good they will be the ones saying he's the best thing since sliced bread, sadly saying that by this time he will be playing for Real Madrid or some other minow team like that lol.

The problem with Babel is he has a manager who likes workhorses i.e kuyt (an old fashioned player, a die heart give it all action hero who has no technique and no pace who would of been good in the 70's, maybe?):D You know i'm right as much as i apriciate his work rate.

So coming back to Babel most seem to forget one of the reasons Paco going as Benitez's no 2, and that's cos they had different views on him and Paco didn't agree how Benitez had bought this yong dutch striker to play on the wing when he was a striker.

I can't understand how many can say he is when he has never really been giving a chance or a run of games to show this, and even tho as a bit part player he has been POOR (mainly when the rest of the team has been poor too)he has EQUALLY won us games and scored us goals and showed us alot more promise than half the players in the squad that get given umpteen optuninties and never ever produce.

But as i say i'm not really arsed just trying to give the lad a chance A lad who is only young who has a manager who doesn't rate him and would rather play with an old fashioned work horse and play it safe with the type of player that will make sure we carry on gettin 0-0 against poor teams that come to defend at Anfield because they are not direct enough or have the pace or balls to take on a player and part of the reason we won't win the league.

Like i say just my opinion so don't get on your high horses

The bit about Paco is hilairious!

Why? it was a talking point at the time when paco left as one of the many reasons why and not directly for him leaving

And you know that how?

I was under the impression that Paco was off that Benitez panic bought a player with as little quality as Babel and was off that Rafa wasted the money on such a player.

Until I hear differently from someone who actually KNOWS the full story then thats what I believe. :;);

Fo Dne wrote:

roberto green wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

roberto green wrote:Babel is a good player IMO and i'm not arced what people say on here against him (everyone is entitled to their opinion)cos when he comes good they will be the ones saying he's the best thing since sliced bread, sadly saying that by this time he will be playing for Real Madrid or some other minow team like that lol.

The problem with Babel is he has a manager who likes workhorses i.e kuyt (an old fashioned player, a die heart give it all action hero who has no technique and no pace who would of been good in the 70's, maybe?):D You know i'm right as much as i apriciate his work rate.

So coming back to Babel most seem to forget one of the reasons Paco going as Benitez's no 2, and that's cos they had different views on him and Paco didn't agree how Benitez had bought this yong dutch striker to play on the wing when he was a striker.

I can't understand how many can say he is when he has never really been giving a chance or a run of games to show this, and even tho as a bit part player he has been POOR (mainly when the rest of the team has been poor too)he has EQUALLY won us games and scored us goals and showed us alot more promise than half the players in the squad that get given umpteen optuninties and never ever produce.

But as i say i'm not really arsed just trying to give the lad a chance A lad who is only young who has a manager who doesn't rate him and would rather play with an old fashioned work horse and play it safe with the type of player that will make sure we carry on gettin 0-0 against poor teams that come to defend at Anfield because they are not direct enough or have the pace or balls to take on a player and part of the reason we won't win the league.

Like i say just my opinion so don't get on your high horses

The bit about Paco is hilairious!

Why? it was a talking point at the time when paco left as one of the many reasons why and not directly for him leaving

And you know that how?

I was under the impression that Paco was off that Benitez panic bought a player with as little quality as Babel and was off that Rafa wasted the money on such a player.

Until I hear differently from someone who actually KNOWS the full story then thats what I believe. :;);

you must be right then with your IMPRESSION lol

Petar wrote:

bigmick wrote:Petar, for post number five that's quite confrontational. Anybody who has watched Liverpool regularly has seen Babel do some excellent things, and has seen him be poor as well. Pointing out that he has on occasions been poor is not talking sh!te, it's stating the glaringly obvious. Now you can argue till you're blue in the face that he hasn't been given a fair chance (and he certainly wasn't against West Ham for instance), but you can't sensibly argue that he doesn't run up blind alleys, lacks awareness etc.

Your comment about his decision making is frankly absurd. Riena, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyppia, Agger, Aurelio, Masherano, Gerrard, Alonso, Kuyt, Benayoun, Riera, Keane and Torres off the top of my head all make better decisons on a consistent basis than Babel. You have highlighted the one area of his game that he most needs to improve on. I'm actually in something of a minority as I quite like him, but lets be serious hey?

You and Bob,now tell me... How many Utd`s players are better than Ronaldo in decision making. Can you see now what am I talking about? He and Ronaldo,or Quaresma,or Nani,or Ibrahimovic,or Hleb,or Kalou,or Walcott can do 5 things per match and they all do,but what makes them better than the 90 percent of other players are their speed,skills,strength,game inteligence... Almost every Ronaldo`s shot go about 20 yards above goal,but defenders are scared of him,so would be scared of Ryan if he is on the pitch constantly. And 2834747474 posts doesn`t mean that you know football better than me. You are not direct poster,as I can see. If someone asked you about Henry in Arsenal,you would say... Hm I am not sure,He barely use his left foot,he can not head the ball,he doesn`t track back enough,but yeah,he is great in front of the goal,so I can not decide

   

That's us told, Mick.