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Bad Bob wrote:

tonyeh wrote:

tonyeh wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:Undoubtedly true, mate, but tell me, how are we meant to take posters who suggest that:

-Rafa's a "fecking idiot" who's trying to stick it to the poor fans and should be bombed out in favour of Harry Redknapp

OR

-Rafa's a clown that should be sacked at this stage so we can get Kenny Dalglish in to salvage the season

OR

-There's only a Big Three in the Premiership and we're not part of it because of the gulf in class between us and Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U


When I read stuff like that it's hard not to conclude that the poster in question is completely blinkered or on a wind-up. 

Again, I ask, do you REALLY believe there isn't a class difference between Liverpool and the other three?

Honestly?

Big fuckin deal. So we got some lucky breaks with the goals in the Utd and Chelsea games...so what?

That still doesn't change the fact, yes THE FACT, that they are stronger teams than Liverpool. By a large margin.

In the case of the Chelsea game, Alonso go a LUCKY deflection.

That's DEFLECTION.

Liverpool then spent the rest of the game with two rows of four defending that lucky in off.

So Liverpool knocked Arsenal out of the CL, so what?

Spurs tore Liverpool a new a couple of weeks ago, does that make them a better team than Liverpool? Of course it doesn't.

The other three teams play better flowing football, they can attack and finish with convincing moves and they have put up a challenge for the title in the last few years.

If you cannot, or will not see the obvious difference in quality between the teams in question, then you you just shouldn't be talking about football at all.

Having a love for Liverpool is one thing, but if it obscures the obvious, then your opinion isn't worth listening too.

Liverpool are EXTREMELY lucky to be where they are at the moment. 90% of the games have been touch and go and the recent draws against the so called "Lesser Teams" is just reality landing down on our heads with a thump. Bar Everton and West Brom, we haven't really beaten anyone with real conviction and the includes the much touted Utd and Chelsea games.

We're on top by a single point, that's all. It's December.

Frankly, I'm not expecting much out of the Blackburn game and will take a boring 1-0 snorefest, just to keep the mickey mouse gap we have.

Are you really a Liverpool supporter?

Honestly?

s@int wrote:Sorry Bob, I honestly don't buy this pressure business so early in the season. I prefer my theory that we just haven't got enough goalscorers. At least with my theory we still have a chance , with yours and Mick's if they are feeling the pressure now by April they wont be able to kick a ball nevermind win a game.


So all Rafa has to do to win us the League is tell the players we arn't interested in the League this season, we are going to concentrate on the League cup!  Pressures off and away we go? 

I don't think the two theories are mutually exclusive, mate.   We do lack creative players and don't have enough goal scorers, no question.  Like it or not, though, I still think nerves played a part last night.  We started off fairly loose but, as the minutes ticked by and we failed to create goal-scoring chances, the lads just started to tighten up.  You could see Gerrard's form and confidence dry up before your eyes.

Will it cripple us long term?  I hope not.  I think Mick's point earlier in the thread was an excellent one--this was an important experience for the lads.  They had a chance to play a very beatable team at home to go 3 points clear at the top of the table on December 1st with half the world tuning in to watch.  No wonder they were bricking it but there's still time to shake it off and retain our place at or near the top of the table.  Hopefully the next time a similar situation comes around, they'll be better equipped mentally having gone through it once.  And, by similar situation, I mean playing the odd-ball fixture after our main rivals have already played and everyone's tuned in to see how Liverpool make out.

Bad Bob wrote:

s@int wrote:Sorry Bob, I honestly don't buy this pressure business so early in the season. I prefer my theory that we just haven't got enough goalscorers. At least with my theory we still have a chance , with yours and Mick's if they are feeling the pressure now by April they wont be able to kick a ball nevermind win a game.


So all Rafa has to do to win us the League is tell the players we arn't interested in the League this season, we are going to concentrate on the League cup!  Pressures off and away we go? 

I don't think the two theories are mutually exclusive, mate.   We do lack creative players and don't have enough goal scorers, no question.  Like it or not, though, I still think nerves played a part last night.  We started off fairly loose but, as the minutes ticked by and we failed to create goal-scoring chances, the lads just started to tighten up.  You could see Gerrard's form and confidence dry up before your eyes.

Will it cripple us long term?  I hope not.  I think Mick's point earlier in the thread was an excellent one--this was an important experience for the lads.  They had a chance to play a very beatable team at home to go 3 points clear at the top of the table on December 1st with half the world tuning in to watch.  No wonder they were bricking it but there's still time to shake it off and retain our place at or near the top of the table.  Hopefully the next time a similar situation comes around, they'll be better equipped mentally having gone through it once.  And, by similar situation, I mean playing the odd-ball fixture after our main rivals have already played and everyone's tuned in to see how Liverpool make out.

I think I would still prefer to see Torres up front with the pressure, than Keane and Kuyt up front and no pressure. 

For me the only pressure they are under is self inflicted. You don't win a game or two that you should have (Spurs and Fulham) and you obviously start to get edgy when you don't get an early goal in your next match.

I thought Gerrard got very frustrated, and as we have seen all too often before his body language lets everyone know it.

Bam wrote:I agree Saint, we need a goalscorer certainly and if somebody is banging the goals in the confidence will come rushing back to the team as a whole.

Also I reckon playing at Home is added pressure for the lads with the crowd these days, I bet you Liverpool produce a better performance and result away to Blackburn where the away support is alot better.

maguskwt wrote:

tonyeh wrote:Big fuckin deal. So we got some lucky breaks with the goals in the Utd and Chelsea games...so what?

That still doesn't change the fact, yes THE FACT, that they are stronger teams than Liverpool. By a large margin.

In the case of the Chelsea game, Alonso go a LUCKY deflection.

That's DEFLECTION.

Liverpool then spent the rest of the game with two rows of four defending that lucky in off.

So Liverpool knocked Arsenal out of the CL, so what?

Spurs tore Liverpool a new a couple of weeks ago, does that make them a better team than Liverpool? Of course it doesn't.

The other three teams play better flowing football, they can attack and finish with convincing moves and they have put up a challenge for the title in the last few years.

If you cannot, or will not see the obvious difference in quality between the teams in question, then you you just shouldn't be talking about football at all.

Having a love for Liverpool is one thing, but if it obscures the obvious, then your opinion isn't worth listening too.

Liverpool are EXTREMELY lucky to be where they are at the moment. 90% of the games have been touch and go and the recent draws against the so called "Lesser Teams" is just reality landing down on our heads with a thump. Bar Everton and West Brom, we haven't really beaten anyone with real conviction and the includes the much touted Utd and Chelsea games.

We're on top by a single point, that's all. It's December.

Frankly, I'm not expecting much out of the Blackburn game and will take a boring 1-0 snorefest, just to keep the mickey mouse gap we have.

what a supporter... (I wish there was a smilie clapping sarcastically like players do to refs)....

why don't you just join the boo boys in the stands...

I know mate, where are all these smelly kunts coming from?
We are top of the league, we have beat the mancs, chelsea and the bitters away and we havent had a fit/in-form Torres or IMO Gerrard for most of the season, are things really that bad?
Why is it our side and manager is getting more stick from there own "supporters" than the mancs and chelsea are from theres? And we`re fkin top.
Roll on fkin blackburn, these boards make me despair at times, how about just a little positivity, a little fkin support, come together and help the side though a blip instead of completely writing off our season because of a couple of dodgy results irrespective of the fact this is the best start we`ve had in years AND WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE.
If we are still top when Torres gets back then fkin game on I say.
This is a supporters forum, if all youve got to bring to the table is negativity and down right BS then why not do us a favour and fk off.

Rush Job wrote:

bigmick wrote:while us and Arsenal have had similar starts.

Mick they have lost 5 games and we are 8 points ahead of them.

bigmick wrote:

Rush Job wrote:

bigmick wrote:while us and Arsenal have had similar starts.

Mick they have lost 5 games and we are 8 points ahead of them.

No mate I was on about in terms of fixtures. We have had just about the same sort of start in terms of difficulty as Arsenal. They too have been to Stamford Bridge and won, and they also beat Man Utd at Home (2-1 also). Where they've slipped up (no doubt unbelieveably annoying for them) has been in their failure to stand up to physically imposing "smaller" clubs.

Chelsea have played all three 'big four" clubs, but all at Home. They've only picked up one point, which is just a swell as far as we're concerned because they've been uber efficient at rolling over the other teams.

The Mancs as I said earlier have played all of last seasons top 10, AWAY FROM HOME (with the exception of West Ham). By any measure, their opening fixtures have been absolutely brutal and as such they are a huge danger as the season progresses.

My own feeling that they are currently the favourites to win it, although the bookies go with Chelsea.

Yer sorry mate I was just about to delete it but the bugger you are got there before me.

Bam wrote:

I thought Gerrard got very frustrated, and as we have seen all too often before his body language lets everyone know it.

I have to say though, that instance where Kuyt opted to shoot from twenty yards out rather than play Gerrard through was a f.cuking dire decison considering the shot ws s.hit. If I was Gerrard I would of ran over to Kuyt and knocked him out.

Could have murdered Kuyt myself on that one...the one time he decides to be selfish and he c.ocks up a beautifully flowing counter-attack.   

Bad Bob wrote:

Bam wrote:

I thought Gerrard got very frustrated, and as we have seen all too often before his body language lets everyone know it.

I have to say though, that instance where Kuyt opted to shoot from twenty yards out rather than play Gerrard through was a f.cuking dire decison considering the shot ws s.hit. If I was Gerrard I would of ran over to Kuyt and knocked him out.

Could have murdered Kuyt myself on that one...the one time he decides to be selfish and he c.ocks up a beautifully flowing counter-attack.   

Bam wrote:apart from the set-pieces that was our only genuine move through out the match

Besides the Benayoun volley, that is, but it's true that we really didn't create much from open play.  The only way we looked like scoring was a thumping header from Sami or that dodgy LB of theirs giving away a penalty for handling in the box.  Heart of a lion, that fella.