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by **LegBarnes** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:39 pm

bavlondon wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Rafas not a man manager though. We cant expect him to change his style of management to accomodate 1 player can we? Keane should buck up and make the most of his time so that Rafa doesnt keep subbing him. I know its harsh but under Rafa its the only way he will survive. If not he will be out after 2 years maybe.

A good manager will have alot of styles and fit the players he has to make the best of what he has got.

Plus rafa bought this player remeber if he doesn't fit into the system that is rafas fault why pay 20 mil for a player that don't fit into your system.

Making any sense ?

We all knew to a certain extent that Rafa is not an arm round the shoulder type of coach from his time at Valencia and we didnt care when we won in Istanbul. How was he to know that Robbie needs his a.rse rubbed every 5 minutes if he gets subbed. Look at Man Utd how many top strikers they have you dont see them moaning and crying or losing form and Fergie always rotates them. Anyway I like Keane and hope he does well but Rafa has bigger problems now like motivating the team.

Rafas biggers problem is learning some extra manager skills like setting a team up to win not draw.

by **mistyred** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:42 pm

You can sla'g Babel as much as you want he had 9 f'ckin mins compared to
others if one player is responsible so are the others.

People need to grow up and smell the coffee this is not a school yard playground
silly comment's below the belt digs, but i will tell you alot of those players are better
than what they have shown and are only human.

One miss hit shot or a bad pass does not qualify a player being cack
doing it consistently and never showing a bit of potential and threat and then..well we
can begin to ask questions.

I've had enough of this that's the last post in this thread, it will
just turn into another for and against.

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:44 pm

Truly awful performance tonight. Absolutely shocking. Coming on the heels of a worse performance against Fulham, it doesn't matter a toss that we're top. Muck, muck, muck....
And to think I silenced some bloke behind me at the weekend who booed at the end of the game...I was sitting here at home on my own watching the game, and I was STILL termpted to boo..

by **nandomrp** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:44 pm

i agree that keane, in spite of he is weak... we had to win this sh!t

by **tonyeh** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:45 pm

Zidane wrote:Also Babel came on WAY too late, who cares if he's being a baby the guy can change games off the bench he should have came in much earlier. Both subs were practically wasted for one reason or another.

AND he was fecked out on the LM AGAIN!

If there's one word that sums up Rafa, it's pigheaded.

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:46 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Rafas not a man manager though. We cant expect him to change his style of management to accomodate 1 player can we? Keane should buck up and make the most of his time so that Rafa doesnt keep subbing him.

he was subbed in the first game he scored in. he spent the next game on the bench. He scored 2 goals against West Brom and was subbed after 60 minutes .... it doesnt seem to matter if makes the opportunities count or not - he's still gonna get subbed

Im sure if he was scoring in every other game he would not be getting subbed half as much. He has missed sitters, open goals. I know it can be damaging to his confidence but thats just the way it is under Rafa and he has to learn to adapt quick. Quality players will make the most of the chances they are given.

i do take your point.

but this was not the case for kuyt.

The 1st half of last season )before we went 4-2-3-1 with kuyt wide right), kuyt was playing :censored:

and not scoring (much the same as keanes run now) - but more often than not, kuyt still got 90 minutes - and in so doing, managed a couple of late goals, when he'd done nothing for 85 minutes and was compared to a headless chicken by many on here.

I think if rafa employed the same tactics with keane as he did with kuyt last season, we might see a return to the robbie keane of old

by **tubby** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:46 pm

misty its not the 1st time though is it? He should go to the French league. That is more befitting of his skill.

by **tonyeh** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:47 pm

Bad Bob wrote:BTW, Rafa's subs were sh!te tonight.

They were the same as always.

by **nandomrp** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:47 pm

....to stay in the game

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:47 pm

mistyred wrote:You can sla'g Babel as much as you want he had 9 f'ckin mins compared to
others if one player is responsible so are the others.

People need to grow up and smell the coffee this is not a school yard playground
silly comment's below the belt digs, but i will tell you alot of those players are better
than what they have shown and are only human.

One miss hit shot or a bad pass does not qualify a player being cack
doing it consistently and never showing a bit of potential and threat and then..well we
can begin to ask questions.

I've had enough of this that's the last post in this thread, it will
just turn into another for and against.

Mate, smell the coffee, will ya ?
They were cack to a man, at the weekend as well. We have no potency in front of goal without one single player. True, there were many bad performances tonight, not just one or two.
I don't think Keane was set up to have a sniff of a chance. And mad and all as it is to say, I reckon if Kuyt was up front alone, he might have put one away, not Keane.

by **sgs** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:50 pm

Benitez said: "We clearly deserved to win. From the beginning to the end we tried to win and that's why they had one or two counter attacks in the second half.

"The team played much better than before and some players did too.
"We didn't play well against Fulham but in this game we had plenty of possession, passed and moved the ball, and had chances.
[quote]

I swear Benitez has lost it!

by **sgs** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:52 pm

double post

by **tonyeh** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:52 pm

metalhead wrote:Seriously, what did babel do when he came on tonight? apart from a shot? did anyone see his poor pass to gerrard at the end that led to a west ham attack and the fact they would have scored?

Yes, but that was one decent shot and a bad pass in what 10 minutes of play?

There's no way people can make an honest judgement on Babel when Rafa insists on playing him in this way.

by **Not Too Xabi** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:54 pm

I am big fan of Rafa but I find his stubborness very frustrating at times.

Once he's devised his plan of how we should set up and play he won't deviate from it. It's like he's convinced beyond all doubt that his pre-game planning can't fail. He makes his subs at very set times and seems to have even planned them before the game as they often don't make sense in the context of the performance (today and against Villa stick out in my mind).

Also, once he's got an idea in his head about how to play a player, he won't deviate from that either reardless of what it does to that player.

I don't rate Babel at all but Rafa doesn't seem to want to give him more than the last 15 mins of a game. He's had Keane down as a 60 minute per game man and has done from the start of the season pretty much and continues to try to play him as a lone striker. Meanwhile other players seem to get played with blind faith.

Rafa just seems to have developed plan A and isn't willing to conceed that we could need a plan B, never mind have the conviction to change to it when things aren't working and I fear this could ultimately be our downfall.

by **Bermenstein** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:57 pm

That was very hard to watch. The team were desperately nervous.
Ngog for Keane was very bad for Keane's morale. I know Keane is not playing great at the present time, but I don't think that Ngog (£1M) will offer any better options than Keane (£20m).
There were plenty of times in the past when Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler or Michael Owen had poor games, but they were always able to get a goal out of nothing in a split second. I would put Keane in that category of being able to nick a goal out of nothing, so giving him just 60-70 mins play is robbing Liverpool many goals.

I know there are posters out there who despise people coming on bickering and complaining about Lpool and Benitez, but I think the complaints are justified at the moment. All is not right, and going top tonight by a point is just papering over the cracks.
Chelsea, Arsenal & Man Utd wont slip up too many more times, so we need to fully take these oprtunities when they come along.

It was job half done tonight.

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