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by **tubby** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:32 pm

Rafas not a man manager though. We cant expect him to change his style of management to accomodate 1 player can we? Keane should buck up and make the most of his time so that Rafa doesnt keep subbing him. I know its harsh but under Rafa its the only way he will survive. If not he will be out after 2 years maybe.

by **LegBarnes** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:34 pm

bavlondon wrote:Rafas not a man manager though. We cant expect him to change his style of management to accomodate 1 player can we? Keane should buck up and make the most of his time so that Rafa doesnt keep subbing him. I know its harsh but under Rafa its the only way he will survive. If not he will be out after 2 years maybe.

A good manager will have alot of styles and fit the players he has to make the best of what he has got.

Plus rafa bought this player remeber if he doesn't fit into the system that is rafas fault why pay 20 mil for a player that don't fit into your system.

Making any sense ?

by **boodiddy1** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:34 pm

shocking! No flair, you can't play yossi and kuyt in same team. both have poor touch. Lack of creativity. Babel must off :censored:

rafa off big time because how he can't start as a striker when torres is out is astounding.

N'gog is worse than jean-michel ferri! Remember him?

Rafa thinks the prem is like chess. He will never win it cos he doesn't have the nouse to pick off poorer teams.

Stoke, fulham, West Ham! Three points. We might aswell lose to the mancs and win these three games. Rafa sort it and get micheal back in jan along with emile.

:angry:

by **Number 9** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:35 pm

Keane does deserve criticised.People saying he's not getting service?
He has not adapted to the team yet,its up to him to read the players around him.If he aint getting the ball he's getting into the wrong positions..its that simple!
Saying that i felt heart sorry for him tonight getting subbed off to a muted applause...I never heard boo's or anything and i hope it did'nt happen!
The lads trying his hardest,its just not happening and its sad to see from both sides..We payed £20m for him and he loves LFC..there is no one that wants to make it work more than Keane himself.Maybe thats the problem..too much effort is canceling out his instinct!
Cause I cant think of anything else..he has'nt just turned sh'ite!

by **rafa09** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:35 pm

i have actually given up on us winnng the prem in my lifetime and am only 47,because last time we won it i was 29!!!!!!!!

by **slickrick** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:36 pm

yeah but he's taking him off because he's playing bad and not scoring, it might be damaging his confidence but at the minute he's a liability! all this talk of his good work rate etc, :censored:

that, i'd rather some1 like van nistelrooy who's lazy but if he gets half a chance he'll bury it

by **nandomrp** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:37 pm

"I think we should stop singling out individuals and look at the team as a whole. Nobody played well tonight and nobody stood out."
all, inclue rafa, have fault. We have to change in so many aspects, beginning with the posture of the team

by **slickrick** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:37 pm

yeah but he's taking him off because he's playing bad and not scoring, it might be damaging his confidence but at the minute he's a liability! all this talk of his good work rate etc, :censored:

that, i'd rather some1 like van nistelrooy who's lazy but if he gets half a chance he'll bury it

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:37 pm

bavlondon wrote:Rafas not a man manager though. We cant expect him to change his style of management to accomodate 1 player can we? Keane should buck up and make the most of his time so that Rafa doesnt keep subbing him.

he was subbed in the first game he scored in. he spent the next game on the bench. He scored 2 goals against West Brom and was subbed after 60 minutes .... it doesnt seem to matter if makes the opportunities count or not - he's still gonna get subbed

by **tubby** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:37 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Rafas not a man manager though. We cant expect him to change his style of management to accomodate 1 player can we? Keane should buck up and make the most of his time so that Rafa doesnt keep subbing him. I know its harsh but under Rafa its the only way he will survive. If not he will be out after 2 years maybe.

A good manager will have alot of styles and fit the players he has to make the best of what he has got.

Plus rafa bought this player remeber if he doesn't fit into the system that is rafas fault why pay 20 mil for a player that don't fit into your system.

Making any sense ?

We all knew to a certain extent that Rafa is not an arm round the shoulder type of coach from his time at Valencia and we didnt care when we won in Istanbul. How was he to know that Robbie needs his a.rse rubbed every 5 minutes if he gets subbed. Look at Man Utd how many top strikers they have you dont see them moaning and crying or losing form and Fergie always rotates them. Anyway I like Keane and hope he does well but Rafa has bigger problems now like motivating the team.

by **LegBarnes** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:37 pm

Number 9 wrote:Keane does deserve criticised.People saying he's not getting service?
He has not adapted to the team yet,its up to him to read the players around him.If he aint getting the ball he's getting into the wrong positions..its that simple!
Saying that i felt heart sorry for him tonight getting subbed off to a muted applause...I never heard boo's or anything and i hope it did'nt happen!
The lads trying his hardest,its just not happening and its sad to see from both sides..We payed £20m for him and he loves LFC..there is no one that wants to make it work more than Keane himself.Maybe thats the problem..too much effort is canceling out his instinct!
Cause I cant think of anything else..he has'nt just turned sh'ite!

agreed you can't blame keane for his poor showing at liverpool he just needs some one like a drogba to hold ball up to work off this is why he was so good with berba.

by **banana** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:37 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
slickrick wrote:rafa is ruining robbie? what did rafa do that stopped keane putting the ball in the net when 1 on 1 with schwarzer last week

I'll tell you what rafa did - he destroyed robbies confidence in front of goal by substituting him in every single game for liverpool. After Robbie scored his first goal for Liverpool, guess where he spent the next game? - yep on the bench.

He's a confidence striker and at the moment he's playing with zero confidence. Taking him off after 60 minutes in every game does not help!

Has he not done the same to babel ? keeping him on bench over and over agian only to bring him on in the wrong posistion and fu.ck him up the ar.se with fans with lesser knowlage not naming names but you know who you are.

I mean 2 games as striker 3 goals babel has got yet why does rafa not play him up front beggers belief.

Yes i will defend babel cos he is a good player for his age and atm i hope he leaves in Jan cos i think he deserve to be at a club that trusts his skilland plays him as a striker.

That would be unfortunate. As I see it ONLY Babel, Torres and Gerrard has got that flair and skill we need to break down other teams. I do find it astonishing that the ONLY player with flair is being kept out of the tem week in week out when his competitors has got 1 goal per 15 games. Something must be wrong in the dressing room.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:38 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Since Riera and Keane are almost locks to be subbed off, it will be interesting to see which one Babel comes on for. If he replaces Riera, than unless we are up by 2 goals, N'Gog is the only "natural" replacement for Keane.

I was also bitching pregame about not having at least one of Pennant or El Zhar as options and wondered why both Lucas and Mascherano had spots on the bench.

by **metalhead** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:38 pm

Number 9 wrote:Keane does deserve criticised.People saying he's not getting service?
He has not adapted to the team yet,its up to him to read the players around him.If he aint getting the ball he's getting into the wrong positions..its that simple!
Saying that i felt heart sorry for him tonight getting subbed off to a muted applause...I never heard boo's or anything and i hope it did'nt happen!
The lads trying his hardest,its just not happening and its sad to see from both sides..We payed £20m for him and he loves LFC..there is no one that wants to make it work more than Keane himself.Maybe thats the problem..too much effort is canceling out his instinct!
Cause I cant think of anything else..he has'nt just turned sh'ite!

I still think Keane will come good mate, I think Rafa shouldn't have subbed him today, it was a poor substitution! He should have kept Keane playing, maybe he would have produced something in the end you never know.

Remember when we had morientes? Rafa insisted on keeping him on the pitch because of confidence, and he told the press that if he took him off it won't build his confidence up, so why doesnt he do the samething with Keane?

by **tubby** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:39 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Rafas not a man manager though. We cant expect him to change his style of management to accomodate 1 player can we? Keane should buck up and make the most of his time so that Rafa doesnt keep subbing him.

he was subbed in the first game he scored in. he spent the next game on the bench. He scored 2 goals against West Brom and was subbed after 60 minutes .... it doesnt seem to matter if makes the opportunities count or not - he's still gonna get subbed

Im sure if he was scoring in every other game he would not be getting subbed half as much. He has missed sitters, open goals. I know it can be damaging to his confidence but thats just the way it is under Rafa and he has to learn to adapt quick. Quality players will make the most of the chances they are given.

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