Hamman and finnan - Right to sell

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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:46 pm

Picking a fight with me are you Stu?
I don't know why you cannot accept other peoples opinions. And I'll tell you kid your name calling and big mouth attitude only make you look ridiculous and make your posts and comments silly. Why can't you behave like a gentleman instead?

And why can't you at least try to use some brains and analyze my comments instead of just ripping them apart at first notice. If you do not understand that having Gerrard as a sure pick in midfield leaves Hamann, Biscan, Diao and Alonso fighting for one spot. This is in my opinion too many players. Also Cheyrou and Le Tallec will some day return. Garcia can play there as well. And I can name two kids in the academy who looks like good prospects in the centre of the field. How many midfielders do we need? And your what if argumentation do not hold. If Garcia and Alonso gets injured then we need Hamann and Diao etc.. this is your main point. This makes no sense at all Stu. The same reasooning can be used by me to strenghten my position even further. What if Hyypia and Carragher get injured? Then do you think it helps with a good selection of midfielders? And what if Cisse and Baros get injured? Put Hamann and Diao up front? If you do not understand this I can't help you Stu, I simply can't. You have to look at the big picture. Consider the pros and cons. Fact is we have a small squad except in midfield. We need defenders and maybe one striker, we have lots of midfielders, we need money to sign defenders, where should this money come from Stu? Before we can buy, we need to raise money by selling players. Where can we afford to sell? Answer is ; where we have plenty of cover.

You don't need to reply lad. All this is self evident. Just wisen up and try to better yourselfes. Peace.



I can accept opinions, just not mindless garbage.

As for "analising your comments"...

And why can't you at least try to use some brains and analyze my comments instead of just ripping them apart at first notice. If you do not understand that having Gerrard as a sure pick in midfield leaves Hamann, Biscan, Diao and Alonso fighting for one spot. This is in my opinion too many players.


Gerrard is a sure pick i agree... he is however at some point going to suffer with injury or suspension. Maybe even both. Lets say Alonso is also now a garenteed starter. He will also suffer from suspension or injury at some point. This leaves Hamann, Biscan't and Diao. Now lets say, Alonso and Gerrard both miss a month of the season, who plays centre mid? In your regime that would leave Diao and Biscan. Brilliant. Sorry no. Neither of those two are excellent players. They maybe able to do a job if we were desperate but the thought of them running around like headless chickens in our midfield is a scary one.

Where as at least if we have Hamann, we've still got a class act in there.

Why sell Hamann? He's the third or second best central midfielder we have. Why not sell Diao or Biscan? They're the worst two and probably no better than the likes of Welsh. If we got stretched we could even play Carragher there.

Out of all the players mentioned... do you think any are as good as Didi? If you do, you are more knowledgeless than i first thought.

As for raising money, a 30 year old quality player thats in the last year of his contract will probably get us half a million at most. Whats that gonna do? Again i repeat... why sell quality players when theres garbage there to offload. It doesn't make sense.

You don't make sense. Get a clue then come back...
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Postby banana » Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:46 pm

The last post made sense Stu. I agree that Hamann is a good player and we should try to sell Diao or Biscan first. But if you want to sell those guys you either have to be the wizard of oz or pray that Houllier returns to managment.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:32 pm

So you think the next best option is to sell a quality player for 500k?

No sorry. Can't see that.
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Postby Sean » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:41 pm

Don't underesimate Hamann's contribution to the team.  One of the biggest tactical mistakes made under the old regime was replacing him in the champions league quarter final two years ago.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:08 pm

******.

He was poor in that game. The biggest mistake in that match wasn't packing the midfield.

They were out numbering us there. If he'd stayed on we'd still have lost.
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Postby supersub » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:39 pm

Once again certain members resort to name calling because others have a differing opinion.
I never called for Hamann to be sold.I rate the man big time,but when approaching the end of your contract and no deal on the table for Didi,one tends to think his time at Anfield could well be coming to a close.
Rafa Benitez is the manager of the club and if he feels it is time for any player to go,then I bet your bottom dollar that player will be gone.Even the"world-class super-dooper mega Kop idol,the boy next door" was expendable.
     I merely suggest that come January don't be surprised if Liverpool except an offer for Hamann.
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Postby taff » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:59 pm

Hamman probably will go in January if not sooner but he has been a great buy

I expect January as we will need more strength in the defence and Hamman covers that area due to the lack of pace which was his main role

Personally I believe in attacking from the back and using the flanks which has been lacking in recent years

The other point is the emergence of SG now as a true world class player and does he need Hamman like he has.  We also severely missed McAllister as SG then was an emerging player

Times are different mind you and we have a different boss who has different ideas it looks like he wants to take the burden off SG and give him good partners to defend and attack with
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Postby greenred » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:12 am

stu_the_red wrote:Gerrard is a sure pick i agree... he is however at some point going to suffer with injury or suspension. Maybe even both. Lets say Alonso is also now a garenteed starter. He will also suffer from suspension or injury at some point. This leaves Hamann, Biscan't and Diao. Now lets say, Alonso and Gerrard both miss a month of the season, who plays centre mid? In your regime that would leave Diao and Biscan. Brilliant. Sorry no. Neither of those two are excellent players. They maybe able to do a job if we were desperate but the thought of them running around like headless chickens in our midfield is a scary one.

Where as at least if we have Hamann, we've still got a class act in there.

Why sell Hamann? He's the third or second best central midfielder we have. Why not sell Diao or Biscan? They're the worst two and probably no better than the likes of Welsh. If we got stretched we could even play Carragher there.

Out of all the players mentioned... do you think any are as good as Didi? If you do, you are more knowledgeless than i first thought.

As for raising money, a 30 year old quality player thats in the last year of his contract will probably get us half a million at most. Whats that gonna do? Again i repeat... why sell quality players when theres garbage there to offload. It doesn't make sense.

You don't make sense. Get a clue then come back...

Finally..........Stu the Red says something i agree with :D


Hamann is quality.We cant let him go.
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Postby ivor_the_injun » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:35 am

I think this all needs boiling down a little.

The main point, which pretty much everyone appears to agree with, is that we shouldn't sell Hamann if the squad players covering his/Alonso's position are going to be Diao and Biscan.

Right, now what about Finnan? I personally think that members of this board have been excessively harsh on him. Why does Kewell get let off for a poor first season on the pretext that he "needs a season to settle in" while Finnan has been utterly savaged for not bringing his Fulham form with him? From where I'm sitting, he's a raw talent that offers options, probably from the bench, if cover's needed in defence or midfield. Good squad player, but not in my first 11.
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Postby greenred » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:42 am

I think you summed it up there Ivor.Im not a big fan of Finnan but he probably deserves another season to settle in.
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Postby A.B. » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:48 am

I would have to agree. Lets not sell our players just yet, injuries will occur. Josemi is injured at the moment, whether its a big or small injury we are not sure, but there is no shame in playing safe.
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