Mascherano out? - Make way for a certain villa player

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Postby Dundalk » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:01 am

I wouldn't swap him for any player in his position in the world. He is young aswell and is only going to get better. I was at a match recently and I watched him off the ball and the running and chasing he does is immense. He does all the ugly work.

He shouldn't be in anyone's Fantasy Football team because he is never going to get any bonus points for little flicks or any type of flair but in the real football world he is perfect for the structure of the team and without him we wouldn't be as good. Simple as that.

He gives me the impression he would die for the team or kill his own mother just to get 3 points, if the likes of Babel had his attitude we would be top of the table not second
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Postby Rush Job » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:12 am

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Owzat wrote:I read the rumour below yesterday and wondered what people would think if we accepted such a bid, if it is real, and used the money to bring in a more all-round player

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has told Lazio to forget about launching a £20m bid for 24-year-old Argentina midfielder Javier Mascherano. (Sunday Express)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1....423.stm

Maybe the move that was heavily covered in the summer would be blocked again, but in theory would people on here be open to this as an idea? I'm sure most would love to hang onto Mascherano and find the money some other way, but is he really needed in a lot of games - such as Fulham at home? We might even negotiate any bid up a bit, make a tidy profit.

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With Mascherano : P11 W6 D4 L1 (Won 54.45%)
Without Mascherano : P11 W8 D2 L1 (Won 72.73%)

Maybe the above stats aren't conclusive proof we don't need him, but if we can win nearly 73% of the games he doesn't play then is he that crucial? The only defeat in his absence was our reserves losing in the Carling Cup at WHL, the draws the home game against Stoke and away at Standard Liege.

Thats an interesting stat that,
He definitely needs to start bossing things a bit more, he is the Argie captain after all.I noticed a few good passes from him on the weekend, we need to see alot more of that.

Its actually not an interesting stat whatsoever!
LFC with Masch..LFC without Masch?
Are you off your head Owz..and Rushjob for agreeing with him?

All "the stat" states is that Masch played..absolutely NOTHING else!
What are we to draw from this?What is the point of posting the stat?What does it mean?Are we better without him?
Is that what the poster is trying to say?
Does it say who played with him?If we were home or away?Was he started,subbed on subbed off?What formation we played?What team we played?...Not that any of that would alter the fact he is a great player that we are lucky to have!

Its just total unneccesary shi'te...Owzat I can no longer read one of your stat posts without thinking of Carol Vorderman playing wit an Abacus!
I used to think she was hot for an auld doll too and often visited her in at w@nkland,youhave ruined that with your stat and number obsession!
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Oh and by the way all this he is argie captain after all balls,ffs wise up.He has been for all of two weeks,had it been 2 years it still would'nt make any difference though...he's still the same player!You dont get better cause you captain your country,its real football,not a computer game!

I dont think the stat was ment to prove anything, I took it more as a demonstration that he provides more in defence than in attack and inforces my opinion that playing 442 at home our best partnership is still Alonso, Gerrard.
My point about him being captain was just a follow up of my he needs to boss it a bit more comment, did you see him agist the scots?
But if you dont agree then yes I must be off my head.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:34 am

Scottbot wrote:It's not something I would be in favour of, particularly as Barry is very similar to Alonso who is playing out of his skin this season. clearly it's not something many (any) of us would be happy with although Owzat has a point with the thread starter and I think that we don't really need Masch at home against the likes of Fulham. His greatest attributes are his tenacity, his tackling ability, his incredible workrate and his all around tidy play. When we are playing at home, have plenty of possession and don't really need (or have the opportunity) to play our pressing game he becomes a bit of a passenger. In his role for Argentina he is surrounded with attacking flair and this makes him necessary at all times. The situation is very different at LFC. Let me make it clear i'm not for one minute suggesting we sell him. We need our little rottweiller for a lot of big games coming our way.

Excellent point.

Mascherano would excel in games away from home against bigger sides like Mancs or Chelsea or Arsenal. He does well intercepting player and marking players. I remember Fabregas once said (that was during our away game in the CL against Arsenal) that Mascherano was always breathing down his neck, he was absolutely vital closing down Fabregas. He will  definetly be very important to us in the latter stages of the CL (if we qualify that is).

At home, we need to keep more possession, hence Alonso comes into the frame.
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Postby Rush Job » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:39 am

metalhead wrote:
Scottbot wrote:It's not something I would be in favour of, particularly as Barry is very similar to Alonso who is playing out of his skin this season. clearly it's not something many (any) of us would be happy with although Owzat has a point with the thread starter and I think that we don't really need Masch at home against the likes of Fulham. His greatest attributes are his tenacity, his tackling ability, his incredible workrate and his all around tidy play. When we are playing at home, have plenty of possession and don't really need (or have the opportunity) to play our pressing game he becomes a bit of a passenger. In his role for Argentina he is surrounded with attacking flair and this makes him necessary at all times. The situation is very different at LFC. Let me make it clear i'm not for one minute suggesting we sell him. We need our little rottweiller for a lot of big games coming our way.

Excellent point.

Mascherano would excel in games away from home against bigger sides like Mancs or Chelsea or Arsenal. He does well intercepting player and marking players. I remember Fabregas once said (that was during our away game in the CL against Arsenal) that Mascherano was always breathing down his neck, he was absolutely vital closing down Fabregas. He will  definetly be very important to us in the latter stages of the CL (if we qualify that is).

At home, we need to keep more possession, hence Alonso comes into the frame.

Or we could appease (almost) everyone and just play 4231.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:14 am

We can play the classic 4-5-1 formation with two holding midfielders  RJ, which would  likely be the case when Gerrard is fit. I still would prefer the 4-4-2 though at home with alonso and gerrad pair together because they compliment each other in midfield, plus we would have better control of the play and alonso can stretch teams with his ''hollywood'' passing and passing out wide most of the time, it helps build momentum.
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Postby Santa » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:24 am

LOL...ya Lazio right! :laugh: ...that must be the dream move a young Argentina's captain crave for right? What's next for Lazio? £16M for Ronaldo? :p
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Postby Kharhaz » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:50 am

Out of interest. Supposing Liverpool did sell mascherano, how much would the club get out of that transfer fee? Would they get the full lot or would a percentage go to the agency which represents masherano? Ive noticed playing footy manager 2009 that if you sell mascharano the club gets 20% of that fee. I mention this as those who do that game do there homework so it made me wonder.
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Postby Rush Job » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:58 am

Kharhaz wrote:Out of interest. Supposing Liverpool did sell mascherano, how much would the club get out of that transfer fee? Would they get the full lot or would a percentage go to the agency which represents masherano? Ive noticed playing footy manager 2009 that if you sell mascharano the club gets 20% of that fee. I mention this as those who do that game do there homework so it made me wonder.

I cant believe that mate, I would have to think a young player like him would be seen as an investment by Parry and the owners before they sanctioned our second biggest move.
Its not as if you can asume he`ll spend his whole career with us.
More like 80-20 in our favour.

(so did you sell him? lol)
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Postby Rush Job » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:00 am

metalhead wrote:We can play the classic 4-5-1 formation with two holding midfielders  RJ, which would  likely be the case when Gerrard is fit. I still would prefer the 4-4-2 though at home with alonso and gerrad pair together because they compliment each other in midfield, plus we would have better control of the play and alonso can stretch teams with his ''hollywood'' passing and passing out wide most of the time, it helps build momentum.

Yeh mate thats just how I see it. :)
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Postby Kharhaz » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:06 am

Rush Job wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Out of interest. Supposing Liverpool did sell mascherano, how much would the club get out of that transfer fee? Would they get the full lot or would a percentage go to the agency which represents masherano? Ive noticed playing footy manager 2009 that if you sell mascharano the club gets 20% of that fee. I mention this as those who do that game do there homework so it made me wonder.

I cant believe that mate, I would have to think a young player like him would be seen as an investment by Parry and the owners before they sanctioned our second biggest move.
Its not as if you can asume he`ll spend his whole career with us.
More like 80-20 in our favour.

(so did you sell him? lol)

Lol no I didnt, not at that loss I didnt ! Besides most of my squad were already injured so I couldnt afford to !
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Postby Bam » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:56 am

So now the thread topic starter wants "Barney" in and Mascha out !

FFS.
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Postby Toffeehater » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:36 am

:laugh: , barney still cracks me up . Masch will never leave for lazio , a team who can't even get into the champions league FFS
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Postby Rush Job » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:20 pm

Bam wrote:So now the thread topic starter wants "Barney" in and Mascha out !

FFS.

I not sure he does mate, I think he just put it out there for discussion.
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Postby Rorschach26 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:14 am

ERm no i wouldnt be happy with cashin in on Mascherano ur stats r a joke & bore every1 on here
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