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Rush Job wrote:

tonyeh wrote:

Reg wrote:

tonyeh wrote:

Reg wrote:If he went in for 50-50 balls and generally looked more interested and hungry, folks would have more sympathy.

He´s a squad player whether he likes it or not.

But he's a centre forward, not a mdfielder and shouldn't be called upon to make many tackles. As a striker/CF, you usually have the ball played to you.

The bottom line is that he's being played out of position and more importantly in a position he's unquestionably not suited to.

I dont remember Kenny or Rushie being pussies.

Dalglish got the boot in, but I don't seem to remember Ian Rush getting his skinny involved in too many tackles   

Cant let that go.
Ian Rush was the first line of defence and often came back into midfield to win the ball and start an attack.
I think you need to dust off some of those old videos and stop speaking sh!te about a ledgend.

aCe' wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

aCe' wrote:I Kuyt ? the 10 million clinical striker who still cant control a ball to save his life ? Kuyt hasnt improved one bit in my books... hes still a poor poor player who works hard... fact that hes scoring more goals atm is the only reason he isnt getting as much stick... as soon as they dry up everyone will get back to singling him out as a weak link... he's getting into good position now but again... as a player i dont think hes improved..

So your saying: regarding Kuyt it's ok to use different standards to judge a player?
Because all players have matches they play like #$#; Torres, Gerrard etc etc
They never get the stick as much as Kuyt.

So your waiting for Kuyt to not score, so then you can criticise him again?
Coz now he only has been 'lucky' and scores goals.
Very important goals not to forget. He made more money for Liverpool already then Liverpool payed for his transfer.

He has improven a lot. He is much stronger then beginning. More consistent, see's the game better. Adopted to the english way of play very well.
And gives his all every single match. Even if he plays like . He will always give 200% for the club.

And he copes very well with the level op play.

Dutchsky wrote:

aCe' wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

aCe' wrote:I Kuyt ? the 10 million clinical striker who still cant control a ball to save his life ? Kuyt hasnt improved one bit in my books... hes still a poor poor player who works hard... fact that hes scoring more goals atm is the only reason he isnt getting as much stick... as soon as they dry up everyone will get back to singling him out as a weak link... he's getting into good position now but again... as a player i dont think hes improved..

So your saying: regarding Kuyt it's ok to use different standards to judge a player?
Because all players have matches they play like #$#; Torres, Gerrard etc etc
They never get the stick as much as Kuyt.

So your waiting for Kuyt to not score, so then you can criticise him again?
Coz now he only has been 'lucky' and scores goals.
Very important goals not to forget. He made more money for Liverpool already then Liverpool payed for his transfer.

He has improven a lot. He is much stronger then beginning. More consistent, see's the game better. Adopted to the english way of play very well.
And gives his all every single match. Even if he plays like . He will always give 200% for the club.

And he copes very well with the level op play.

Dutchsky wrote:

aCe' wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

aCe' wrote:I Kuyt ? the 10 million clinical striker who still cant control a ball to save his life ? Kuyt hasnt improved one bit in my books... hes still a poor poor player who works hard... fact that hes scoring more goals atm is the only reason he isnt getting as much stick... as soon as they dry up everyone will get back to singling him out as a weak link... he's getting into good position now but again... as a player i dont think hes improved..

So your saying: regarding Kuyt it's ok to use different standards to judge a player?
Because all players have matches they play like #$#; Torres, Gerrard etc etc
They never get the stick as much as Kuyt.

So your waiting for Kuyt to not score, so then you can criticise him again?
Coz now he only has been 'lucky' and scores goals.
Very important goals not to forget. He made more money for Liverpool already then Liverpool payed for his transfer.

He has improven a lot. He is much stronger then beginning. More consistent, see's the game better. Adopted to the english way of play very well.
And gives his all every single match. Even if he plays like . He will always give 200% for the club.

And he copes very well with the level op play.

LFC2007 wrote:I don't think he has long-term future with us. Having seen him over a season and a bit now, I don't think he's able to play with Torres, and he's miles behind Riera on the left. Aside from the fact that he doesn't seem to fit in anywhere, I just don't think he's good enough and no amount of coaching or man management will alter that fact. He'll probably stay until the end of the season acting almost exclusively as an impact sub before being sold back to Ajax.

He doesnt seem to fit in anywhere sums it all up really... He's a second striker imo... someone who get the ball from deep and attacks the space between the midfielders and defenders... never in a million years a striker that can be played alone upfront... the position he played against Tottenham in the cup after Torres was brought off was his natural position imo... going wide to recieve the ball from winger and bringing it deeper in with his dribbling skills and all... he was at the day but i think that coulld quite well be the only role he can play.. Sort of like Kaka with Milan or Ronaldo last year with the Mancs but with all the difference in the quality...

I still think that with good coaching he could very well turn out to be a top player... hes very direct and has pace and can dribble... only thing he lacks in my books is a brain... alot like Nani is for ManUtd... if Nani can do it for Man nuts in a few years (and i expect him to) then theres no reason Babel cant do it for us in a few years as well..

loaning him back to Ajax or to an Italian or spanish side would be very good for him and for the club imo.... But the way things stand i wouldnt mind, and wouldnt be surprised if we end up selling him end of the season...

aCe' wrote:only thing he lacks in my books is a brain...

Toffeehater wrote:

Owzat wrote:He's not the only one being played out of position, in the last few games he's played on the wing, Carragher at RB and Kuyt is often camped out on the wing. Babel is lucky to get as much time on the pitch as he does

Carragher at right back was due to the fact that arbeloa was suspended and degen was out

shakey wrote:

club_Levis wrote:

DanAn wrote:Failing that we might be able to sell him and Dossena for 15m combined and pick up Owen and a quality left back.

When are you going to give up on the Owen lad? He is never coming back and rightfully so.

Agree.....& dont want him back,far to injury prone,be just paying silly wages & not getting a good enough return!

club_Levis wrote:Personally I rate Babel so much and feel he can only improve if given more time to play. Unfortunately this wont happen at Liverpool and the sooner he leaves the better for both parties.People are still ranting about how poor Cisse was/is with little footballing brain just like Babel. I wonder how he cant stop scoring at Sunderland.

Owzat wrote:

shakey wrote:

club_Levis wrote:

DanAn wrote:Failing that we might be able to sell him and Dossena for 15m combined and pick up Owen and a quality left back.

When are you going to give up on the Owen lad? He is never coming back and rightfully so.

Agree.....& dont want him back,far to injury prone,be just paying silly wages & not getting a good enough return!

Six goals this season isn't it, more than injury prone Torres and more than misses Keane. In fact six in just eleven games, so he gets injured a few times but then again that could be down to the Newcastle air because a lot of players go up to St Jim Jams Park and get more than their fair share of injuries.