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by **tonyeh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:40 pm

Right, this is going to going nowhere. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

by **GYBS** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:41 pm

could also add the players movement creates the chance for himself as well .

by **GYBS** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:42 pm

yep will agree that your wrong

by **tonyeh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:43 pm

GYBS wrote:could also add the players movement creates the chance for himself as well .

It's not the same GYBS.

You can't rely on the other team giving you corners and frees for your results.

That's not really creating real chances.

by **GYBS** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:45 pm

jesus they didnt give us corners or free chances - we made them for ourselves - through movement passing and ball delivery . all to do with creating .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:57 pm

FFS can we have a little more football discussion and a little less "yes we did".... "no we didnt!"

by **tonyeh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:08 pm

s@int wrote:FFS can we have a little more football discussion and a little less "yes we did".... "no we didnt!"

Please!

by **Roger Red Hat** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:12 pm

tonyeh are you a wum? cos you do nothing but WIND ME UP. your posts are all the same... argumentetive, obnocious (sp?) , in fact anything to just be awkward.

get over it mate, accept the result and move the fk on.

jeeeez!

by **Roger Red Hat** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:14 pm

anyway, what was happening at the end? they were obviousley peeved off. did they just hoof the ball at the goal from the kick off?

i missed it cos I was picking up nuts off the floor.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:21 pm

Lee J wrote:tonyeh are you a wum? cos you do nothing but WIND ME UP. your posts are all the same... argumentetive, obnocious (sp?) , in fact anything to just be awkward.

get over it mate, accept the result and move the fk on.

jeeeez!

Ah relax, it's just a bit of friendly banter.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:46 pm

For me the real problem we have is the same one we have had for years, a genuine lack of real creativity from midfield and up front. When Torres plays and is on form (most of the time so far to be fair) its not as much of a problem because he makes the most of the half chances he gets. When Torres doesn't play we look lacking in ideas, subtlety and creativity.

Alonso is great at spreading the ball, distributing it etc, but he is NOT a creative midfielder. Masch is great at clearing up at the back, keeping and gaining possession and making the odd surging run forward, but he is not a creative player. Gerrard is great, and can pick a pass with the best of them , can make great runs, score incredible goals, make fantastic crosses etc etc etc , but there is no subtlety to Gerrards game, and playing little balls inside the defender is not as much his game as hitting 30 yard defence splitting pass is.

DISCLAIMER :-That is not to say that these players NEVER show creativity or subtlety , just that its the exception rather than the rule.

Riera has been great so far, and has brought balance and the ability to hold and carry the ball to the side, he has some nice touches and a few tricks. He has yet to show an ability to produce a good final ball consistantly or to show that he can pick out a pass in the final third.

Kuyt has been good so far , but even Kuyt's greatest admirers must admit that creativity and flair are fairly low on Kuyts list of strengths.

Up front we have Keane who for me has never been a creative second striker, he has tricks flicks and can play a pass in the box, he is not and never has been a player that can pick out or time a pass to a run, or create space by intelligent running.

We need more creativity...... certainly when Torres is not available and more than likely when he is, the only real alternative is a clinical striker such as Owen, but if we got Owen we would still need a leader of the line when Torres isn't available.

by **stmichael** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:50 pm

s@int wrote:Alonso is great at spreading the ball, distributing it etc, but he is NOT a creative midfielder.

He was in his first season. Back then he played a lot higher up the pitch. Unfortunately he's playing even deeper than Mascherano these days.

For my money he should be aiming for 8-10 goals a season but I'll be surprised if he gets anywhere near that.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:51 pm

But would Owen be the right choice? I must say I have my mis-givings about bringing Owen back into the fold.

Other than that, I agree with all you've said.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:02 pm

s@int wrote:I think people are getting a bit carried away with 4-4-2 being the answer to all our prayers. Without Torres I don't think it would matter if we played 4-4-2 or 4-1-5 we would still struggle for goals BECAUSE THE OTHER FORWARDS ARN'T SCORING ENOUGH. Only Kuyt has been carrying the burden this season, and the last thing we need is him playing furthest striker forward..... because he doesn't lead the line, he drops off .

I prefer 4-4-2 and think against MOST sides its probably the best formation IF we have two strikers playing well and scoring, at the moment with Keane firing blanks I would prefer Gerrard behind Torres. I think we have a lack of options up front at the moment with Torres being out, and tbh very LUCKY to have scored as many goals as we have this season, even with the large number of chances we have made.

We need another striker ..... and one that we can rely on to get goals even when Torres is out. Even if Keane starts knocking goals in for fun when Torres comes back we still need another striker, because we have no one to lead the line when Torres doesn't play, and as we all know Torres can't play EVERY GAME can he?

W

I agree to a certain extent that if we have another experienced striker then we would be so much stronger... it's simple really... get Owen... and this is not even about sentimental reasons... we might get him for cheap and if he doesn't insist on playing every game, not demand 120k a week salary and if he's fit then why not? IMO he won't complain that much if he doesn't get to play every game either... he's been dropped from the england squad and newcastle has become a joke... a strike force of Torres, Keane and Owen has strengthe in depth...

by **Reg** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:02 pm

Tell me wise ones:

If a panel can reverse a red card after the game, why cant the same panel reverse an unjust penalty decision?

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