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by **GYBS** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:02 pm

looking at what you put igor was it really that big a gamble ? bringing in those players ?

and yeah scott i didnt think we played that badly as well

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:14 pm

Put this book on your Chrismas wish list Mick :laugh:

Keep an eye out for Kelly

FANS of the much missed Liverpool fanzine Thru The Wind And Rain will be glad to know editor Steven Kelly is now a published author.

Kelly, one of the best writers on Liverpool, will soon release "Rotation, Rotation, Rotation: A Season at Anfield". It's sure to be a brilliant read if his past fanzine efforts are anything to go by.

Definitely one to keep an eye out for.

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:14 pm

GYBS wrote:looking at what you put igor was it really that big a gamble ? bringing in those players ?

and yeah scott i didnt think we played that badly as well

Well yes mate , it was a bit of a gamble against a pompey side who are no slouches (last night i thought they were poor) and are 7th in the league . Like i say though it paid off .

by **GYBS** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:22 pm

ok no worries mate - i didnt think it was a massive gamble per say - chaging players will always have a little rick but nothing too major

by **Number 9** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:25 pm

GYBS wrote:ok no worries mate - i didnt think it was a massive gamble per say - chaging players will always have a little rick but nothing too major

Pennant and Lucas are a gamble mate and would be in any team with title hopes!
As Igor said though it paid off,we rested a few players and came out with max points!Job done!

by **GYBS** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:27 pm

but not really massive gamble thou mate - lucas does a decent job and did a good job last night . It wasnt that big a gamble where you are shitting your pants thou .

by **Number 9** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:34 pm

GYBS wrote:but not really massive gamble thou mate - lucas does a decent job and did a good job last night . It wasnt that big a gamble where you are shitting your pants thou .

I never seen the game mate but from what I have seen I would'nt trust Lucas to do a "decent job" delivering newspapers

by **bigmick** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:36 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Put this book on your Chrismas wish list Mick

Keep an eye out for Kelly

FANS of the much missed Liverpool fanzine Thru The Wind And Rain will be glad to know editor Steven Kelly is now a published author.

Kelly, one of the best writers on Liverpool, will soon release "Rotation, Rotation, Rotation: A Season at Anfield". It's sure to be a brilliant read if his past fanzine efforts are anything to go by.

Definitely one to keep an eye out for.

It's on me Christmas list already Nan

As far as the rotation is concerned, hopefully we've got it out of our system for a bit and we can get back to being sensible. My only worry is that we go all "Sunderland away" style, you remember where we fielded half a team up there and won before embarking on a series of bizarre selections. Inevitably the wheels eventually fell off, and such was the tizz we had rotated ourselves into, it took a good while before anyone could remember what it actually was that we had been doing right in the first place.

If we revert back to a more normal set-up gainst Spurs, hopefully things remain fresh enough in the mind so we can pick up where we left off. We do have the unexpected bonus that their goalkeeper gave probably the worst performance I have ever seen from a No 1 against arsenal, so anything goalbound will probably go in and we should get home. No doubt Nannies hisband has got a thought or two on him, my Old man certainly has lol. I didn't realise he was quite as bad as that though I must admit. Few could make Paul Robinson look good, but this lad does it no problem.

by **DanAn** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:46 pm

GYBS wrote:so only me who thought we didnt actually play that bad last nigt then

It's not that we didn't play well last night it is that the replacements didn't play well it almost cost us the game.

- No Keane and Torres meant we lacked polish up front
- No Riera and we lost our ability to breakdown the defence on the left
- No Masch and we lost a lot of composure in the center.

We were still able to controlled the game and our defence in particular was outstanding but it took a fortuitous penalty for us to win. One or two of those changes and I most are saying we would have won much more comfortably.

The thing is I think all 4 changes may have been necessary. These guys have 9 games in a month, You just can't do that without suffering a few knocks. Rafa's got to find a way to get them through this which will require him taking some risks regarding rotation and if he does so without dropping points he is doing a fantastic job.

Chelski are having the same problem at the moment, despite having a ridiculous amount of depth. Look at the subs they were forced to use against us.

by **GYBS** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:54 pm

DanAn wrote:
GYBS wrote:so only me who thought we didnt actually play that bad last nigt then

It's not that we didn't play well last night it is that the replacements didn't play well it almost cost us the game.

- No Keane and Torres meant we lacked polish up front
- No Riera and we lost our ability to breakdown the defence on the left
- No Masch and we lost a lot of composure in the center.

We were still able to controlled the game and our defence in particular was outstanding but it took a fortuitous penalty for us to win. One or two of those changes and I most are saying we would have won much more comfortably.

The thing is I think all 4 changes may have been necessary. These guys have 9 games in a month, You just can't do that without suffering a few knocks. Rafa's got to find a way to get them through this which will require him taking some risks regarding rotation and if he does so without dropping points he is doing a fantastic job.

Chelski are having the same problem at the moment, despite having a ridiculous amount of depth. Look at the subs they were forced to use against us.

torres is injured and hasnt played for a couple weeks now and keane has been far from polished up front .

We had plenty of composure in the middle as both xabi and lucas controlled the middle all the way through the game and thats reflected in reports today . yeah maybe without put reira we lost a bit on the left but if he is also carrying a knock then bringing on babel who was pretty damn good on sunday isnt that bad at all .

we could of won by a fair few more goals if it want for david james who made some blinding saves and also distin with that clearance when yossi was through .

yeah there is always a risk to play a few back ups but last night to me didnt seem that big a risk and in the end was vindicated by the result.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:05 pm

Ill be going the game with the spurs supporter i live with, at the mo im only livin with him when we beat them Sat ill go back to being his wife. Hes gettin very smarmy at the mo an is full of bull. But as Mick mentioned there keeper :laugh:

hes quietly sh.itting himself. Joke of the worst kind thats my other halfs thoughts on him an cant wait till xmas when he hopes Harry will get rid.

This one will be a tough one for us imo there on a high at the mo with there new saviour. Put it this way i would of sooner played them with Ramos still in charge

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:17 pm

Scottbot wrote:have had no little luck

That comment got me thinking, mate. Something wasn't quite kosher about last night's match and I couldn't figure it out until your post. No Pompey player saw red for trying to detach Xabi's leg from his body. It's almost expected these days, innit?

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:19 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Ill be going the game with the spurs supporter i live with, at the mo im only livin with him when we beat them Sat ill go back to being his wife. Hes gettin very smarmy at the mo an is full of bull. But as Mick mentioned there keeper hes quietly sh.itting himself. Joke of the worst kind thats my other halfs thoughts on him an cant wait till xmas when he hopes Harry will get rid.

This one will be a tough one for us imo there on a high at the mo with there new saviour. Put it this way i would of sooner played them with Ramos still in charge

Alluded to it in the match thread but Gomes is an absolute joke of a keeper and we should be shooting on sight on Saturday. If Alonso plays let him test his range from the centre circle as well...I'll bet Gomes will find a way to c.ock it up.

by **bigmick** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:27 pm

He looks to me like he's got "brace by Dirky boy" written all over him. A mishit shot, or a header off the shoulder, or one off the knee. This fella won't stop 'em if the display against arsenal is anything to go by. Like I said in that game he was absolutely terrible.

All that said though, if we don't for whatever reason pick up the pieces of where we were before the Pompey game fairly quickly, we will drop points at Spurs. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if we aren't right on it to see us draw, or even worse get beat. I still think the selection against Pompey was unnecessarily stylie, and we may pay a belated price for it at the weekend.

by **DanAn** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:38 pm

GYBS wrote:
DanAn wrote:
GYBS wrote:so only me who thought we didnt actually play that bad last nigt then

It's not that we didn't play well last night it is that the replacements didn't play well it almost cost us the game.

- No Keane and Torres meant we lacked polish up front
- No Riera and we lost our ability to breakdown the defence on the left
- No Masch and we lost a lot of composure in the center.

We were still able to controlled the game and our defence in particular was outstanding but it took a fortuitous penalty for us to win. One or two of those changes and I most are saying we would have won much more comfortably.

The thing is I think all 4 changes may have been necessary. These guys have 9 games in a month, You just can't do that without suffering a few knocks. Rafa's got to find a way to get them through this which will require him taking some risks regarding rotation and if he does so without dropping points he is doing a fantastic job.

Chelski are having the same problem at the moment, despite having a ridiculous amount of depth. Look at the subs they were forced to use against us.

torres is injured and hasnt played for a couple weeks now and keane has been far from polished up front .

We had plenty of composure in the middle as both xabi and lucas controlled the middle all the way through the game and thats reflected in reports today . yeah maybe without put reira we lost a bit on the left but if he is also carrying a knock then bringing on babel who was pretty damn good on sunday isnt that bad at all .

we could of won by a fair few more goals if it want for david james who made some blinding saves and also distin with that clearance when yossi was through .

yeah there is always a risk to play a few back ups but last night to me didnt seem that big a risk and in the end was vindicated by the result.

I think our opinions are fairly similar it's just that we are expressing them differently.

Distin save was brilliant but equally it showed Benayoun's lack of Polish, he took too long before having a shot. Keane while not playing like a 20 m player but still I'd argue he is far more polished than any of Benayoun, Babel or Pennant.

And yes I do realise Torres was injured still from the international, I was more highlighting that the replacements didn't really stand up, Irrespect of why our players were missing. I think it is a good example of why we can't afford to over rotate.

As for James' I think his performance is being a little overstated. I only remember the one "blinding" save and that was off the back of his own mistake if I remember correctly.

I agree that the result vindicated the rotations. I as most others are saying and I am pretty sure you would be on the same page just don't want to see this kind of rotation become a regular theme this year.

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