Mod accountability - Do we need an appeal/review committee ?

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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:05 pm

GYBS wrote:Quick question-when it comes to issuing cards or bans etc do the mods have a chat about it or is it down to that one mod ?

This is actually a key question because it speaks to the whole issue of accountability.  As such, I'll add to what Woof has already said.

Contrary to what some may think, cards are not distributed lightly and rarely go undiscussed.  In fact, the only time Mods don't discuss cards or bannings is when one of is dealing with an obvious WUM (wind-up merchant).

For the less obvious "potential" WUM, we very much have a discussion.  In the Mod section we have a "keep an eye on..." thread where we discuss posters who don't quite seem legit, who could be an alter-ego of a known WUM, who might be a supporter of another team sneaking on to take the p!ss subtly, etc.  This thread is hugely important because it allows us to flag potential problems and build consensus.  It's also hugely important because it ensures that we aren't too quick to ban newbies who aren't WUMs--they just happen to be a bit out of step with the general board culture.

The other, much more challenging, group that receives cards/bannings are established posters.  It's a huge issue carding regulars because they've established their place in the Newkit community, because they have mates who like them around and/or enemies that want to see them punished for real or perceived infractions and, because we've had dealings with them too--in many cases, both as Mods and before we took on the job.  In short, there is no way that giving a regular a card or banning them doesn't cause some sort of reaction on the board. 

As such, there's not one Mod among us who would give a card to a regular lightly and who wouldn't want to discuss matters with other Mods.  As such, we have a thread in the Mod section where we discuss our decision to card people.  In some cases, we discuss the matter before giving out a card but it is a rare thing to be able to do that: events unfold quickly sometimes and there's sometimes no other Mods around to discuss the matter with.  We make certain, however, to discuss these decisions after the fact and to explain why we acted in the way we did.  Usually within a day or two most Mods have had a chance to log on and weigh in on the matter and that's where the vetting comes in.  If the decision is sound, the mod who gave the card is told so--which is an important counterweight to the questioning PMs we often receive when we card a regular member.  If the decision is harsh, hasty, too personal or otherwise suspect, however, the other Mods will say so and, where appropriate, action will be taken to reverse the decision.  So, yes, we support each other and respect each other but that doesn't mean we don't disagree with each other over decisions.

So, to bring a long post to the point, the Mods as a collective already vet major decisions and take steps to ensure that we're being as fair and as objective as we possibly can be.  Another level of 'bureaucracy' would not make the system run smoother or increase accountability, IMHO, but I welcome the discussion, if only because it provides a chance to clear up some misperceptions about 'maverick mods' accountable to no one.
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Postby GYBS » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:12 pm

All sounds good to me BB and think you already pretty much do what Saint is suggesting . Cheers mate.
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Postby supersub » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:13 pm

Sabre wrote:I'll advocate again for rotation of mods. 

woof woof feels the wrath of sabre's new rotation policy
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:17 pm

supersub wrote:
Sabre wrote:I'll advocate again for rotation of mods. 

woof woof feels the wrath of sabre's new rotation policy

:wwww   :laugh:

No chance, Sabre wants decent footy posts why would he rotate me ?  :D
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Postby Sabre » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:20 pm

:D

I don't think so. Plus Woof has done a good job so far, and I say that despite he wasn't my preffered mod when he was appointed.

I'd bet a couple of beers that everyone of the mods have felt the temptation to take holidays in their task at some point. I would be surprised if Bad Bob didn't prefer some nights to talk about footie or a new show rather than sorting out my stupid fights. I'd be surprised if Leonmc wouldn't prefer  some nights to make a post of an away game or stadium like he used to write in the past (where are those posts liiiid). I'm sure woof would be happy sometimes of not being a mod to say cúnt to a cúnt.


Voluntary step down ---> rotation.

Rather than "punishing" a mod because he made a controversial decission.  :p
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Postby GYBS » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:20 pm

supersub wrote:
Sabre wrote:I'll advocate again for rotation of mods. 

woof woof feels the wrath of sabre's new rotation policy

:D

he said rotating not roasting  :laugh:
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Postby andy_g » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:24 pm

bob carolgees was shocked at the reaction of the korean tv programming department after he said to them "hey, i've got this great idea... spit the dog!"
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Postby JBG » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:24 pm

Thats a bit ruff Supersub.

Make em all walk the plank is what I says.  :pirate
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Postby jonnymac1979 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:27 pm

GYBS wrote:Quick question-when it comes to issuing cards or bans etc do the mods have a chat about it or is it down to that one mod ?

We chat about it.
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:56 pm

Sabre wrote:I'll advocate again for rotation of mods.  :D I think almost every regular member could do the job for some months. Since it would be sensible rotation, the team of mods as a whole wouldn't notice negative consequences.

Christ ! we'd like the Nazi's at the fall of Berlin, you'd have to give the current team time to retire to their Bunker and burn all their files .  :D
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:28 pm

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Postby Judge » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:30 pm

never seen so many mods in one thread. have you all rung each other up? :D
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Postby GOAT_2.0 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:51 pm

Judge wrote:never seen so many mods in one thread. have you all rung each other up? :D

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Postby taff » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:07 pm

My main concern is that spats lead to who is accountable and this could potentially go on for ever and ever and ever. 

Our main concerns should be the eradication of WUM and basic decency towards each other regardless of differing football views and Mods should be allowed to have views without them being picked up for being Mods.

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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:10 pm

While no one seemed to like my ideas on Mod accountability..... I notice no one is posting as vehermently against my porn idea :D

Seriously I think some form of formal appeals process at the very least would improve things, even if its not as independent as my original idea. At the moment your choices are PM the Mod who just banned you (not likely to be met with much success) PM Supersub (if you happen to KNOW he's a super mod as well), or someone else can make a thread or post of protest when the point is likely to be lost in a sea of bad jokes, silly pictures, or petty point scoring.
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