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by **tubby** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:51 pm

Im sure with each game that goes by he will sharpen up.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:13 pm

Sabre wrote:síck

I noticed you accenting letters in cuss words to put them past the censor, I don't think "sick" needed it

by **Sabre** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:16 pm

I know, I didn't even think about it, just a unconscious mistake .

What do you think about Agger, Joe mate?

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:39 pm

Sabre wrote:I know, I didn't even think about it, just a unconscious mistake .

What do you think about Agger, Joe mate?

I think that Agger on top of his game is better than Skrtel on top of his game, at CB in terms of everything that is offered to the team (even though Skrtel seems to be better at some things) I think its important for the team to have Agger reach his top form, but at the same time, Skrtel was in a better form at the begining of the season (probably due to carry over from last year) and I don't think the team could have afforded the chance of suffering through a period where we played Agger not at his best in order to get him matches and ultimately reach a higher level of football.

Its never good to have a player injured, but it might come out as a blessing in disguise if Agger can return to and in fact reach an even better level than before his injury while not having any bliiips in the time it takes him to get there (hopefully that goal he gave away was an abberation, I think it will be).

Not so sure about him at fullback, or defensive midfield, and the reasons have been pointed out. I do wonder about a 3 at the back system. What are the types of qualities needed in a player that is part of a back trio as opposed to a centre half pairing that is part of a collective back 4? And when I say a back three I mean a 3, not a 5, so I would use it in games where we would look to be on the offensive a lot and would look to play it with Riera and Kuyt on the wings and not Aurelio and Degen, with Masch and alonso holding, Gerrard roaming from the centre and Keane partnering torres. I duno, I think its worth a try because it allows us to play all of our strengths, 3 quality centre halfs, 3 quality central midfielders, 2 20 million strikers, Kuyt, and Riera is the best thing on the left since sliced bread was deployed out there.

by **Sabre** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:53 pm

That was a good post.

In a back three like the one you mention you'd need someone able to distribute left and right accurately, and moving the ball fast, since as soon as you get the ball the other two will go to seek the wing -- on paper.

If you play really offensively if you lose the ball you'd better lose it as an away goal kick or very high in the pitch in a throw in. For the few occasions that you're totally caught you'd need someone fast and good tackling

Agger has all that's required for that role, and would adapt to that role aswell over the years, something I don't see Skrtel doing because he's not as good technically.

Look, excuse if I go a bit OTT with Agger's praise, and I hope Stu doesn't get very angry. But a player I know well, Ivan Campo, made the transition from CB to Holding midfielder when he went to England. And he proved useful for Bolton in that.

Well, Agger is better than Ivan Campo in all departments for the position even if you compare him when Campo was 28 and experienced (well the experience is very important but still). The only think Agger can't have is Ivan's hair. In every other department he would be better than Campo.

Of course, being the holding midfielder of Bolton is one thing and the Liverpool holding midfielder another thing. You need top players for each task, which is probably is the reason why you still haven't seen a player that could do the striker role, like Babel, playing in that position. He could do it for a lesser team for sure, but in Liverpool maybe that's not good enough.

by **Red H** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:08 pm

I think Agger would make a fairly decent left back. Who knows when Skirtle is back we may well see him there. I wouldn't even mind him as part of a back three, but I don't see that happening.

However, I think his ability to make runs, not to mention passing, from center back allows us to play further up the field, squeezing the play into the oppositions half. When we come out from the back no one from midfield has to come and pick the ball up for fear of a center half aimlessly knocking the ball towards the corner flag (I reckon Dirk could do with a rest from chasing them). Could he do this as well from center mid, or left back ? I don't think so.

What would be so wrong with all of our players so comfortable on the ball ?

by **LFC2007** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:31 pm

He could do a job if we were desperate, but his best game definitely isn't in midfield and we have one of the strongest midfields in the league, so I'm not so sure it's a realistic debate.

by **GYBS** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:46 pm

agger on the form he was 06 -07 is our best cb . His partnership with carra was superb . Cb is his best position by a mile and just needs games to get himself back up to speed . The guy is class and when he gets back to full form there will be no better ball playing cb than him in the prem maybe europe .

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:14 am

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:Playing at centre-back allows him the opportunity to bring the ball out because the opposition don't expect him to do so, as most centre-halves rarely venture over the half-way line in open play.

To put him in midfield negates that additional bonus he brings to the team as he'd be expected to break forward and be nullified more easily by his opposite number, because that's what midfielders do.

Strikers aren't as prone to tracking players who have gone past them into "unchartered waters" upfield - which is why it's so effective.

Leave him where he is, he will be great for us for years to come.

Spot on.

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:31 am

The_Rock wrote:Leftback....

I said it before and i say it again.....Agger is the next maldini.

have to agree I see so much power in his running and he is smart in useing the space on the left I really feel he could be a world class left back on par with cole if not better.

But I feel with the injurys this season we won't see it but I feel as he move closer to end of his life span in CB role we see him played more at left back but this is long way off and who knows we might never see him at liverpool as a left back.

by **Leonmc0708** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:39 am

We have been crying out for a ball playing centre half since Jocky left and now we plan to turn him into a midfielder ?

Crazy idea.

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:51 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:We have been crying out for a ball playing centre half since Jocky left and now we plan to turn him into a midfielder ?

Crazy idea.

I have to agree leon you are right just can't waste the lad in that area when we need A CB with that kind of range of passing.

Think most of us have forgotten what an important asset A ball carring CB is Fact that team can't pick them up and often let them run with the ball deep into there half due to no one knowing who to mark him.

Reminds me of what stam used to do for the mancs and what ferd does for them now.

All great teams need a player in defence who can bring the ball forward with pace and direction , its that little bit of extra magic that can open up a tight defence.

I hope he can stay fit and get back to form asap bcos with the games we got comming up we need him so much.

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:55 pm

There aren't many defenders in the world who would have done what Agger did against Wigan. (For our first goal I mean - there are plenty who would make that :censored:

up and worse for their first!)

Possibly Ferdinand would have got himself in that position, maybe Carvalho the odd time... It was a touch of class and some reassurance that he's actually still the player he was before his injury.

by **HacksawJimDuggin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:42 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:Playing at centre-back allows him the opportunity to bring the ball out because the opposition don't expect him to do so, as most centre-halves rarely venture over the half-way line in open play.

To put him in midfield negates that additional bonus he brings to the team as he'd be expected to break forward and be nullified more easily by his opposite number, because that's what midfielders do.

Strikers aren't as prone to tracking players who have gone past them into "unchartered waters" upfield - which is why it's so effective.

Leave him where he is, he will be great for us for years to come.

Spot on.

Yes, agreed.

I think Agger would be best deployed as a left sided centre half in a back 3. I am a fan of the 3-5-2 formation and think we have the players to make it work.

Maybe the new adventurous Rafa will try it at some point :no

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:09 am

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:There aren't many defenders in the world who would have done what Agger did against Wigan. (For our first goal I mean - there are plenty who would make that up and worse for their first!)

Possibly Ferdinand would have got himself in that position, maybe Carvalho the odd time... It was a touch of class and some reassurance that he's actually still the player he was before his injury.

Yes could we ever doubt the lad before all his problems I personaly feel he was one of top 3 defenders in prem now hopefully with a little match practice and him finding his feet agian we can start to see agger back to his best like he should be.

He reminds me of Hansen so much way he can do every thing.

Its kinda scary tbh. :Oo:

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