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by **Owzat** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:24 pm

Reg wrote:Any news on this lad, seems to have gone all quiet with nando and keane hogging the limelight?

Despite much suggestion pre-season that teams would field some kids on the bench and bring them on when their team was in box seat, game won, the boss has stuck with more senior pros on the bench. It's not as if we're overloaded with strikers - Voronin is out on loan, Robkeanho and Torres start more often than not and Kuyt is on the wing.

Despite a lack of strikers, N'Gog is barely making the bench, his only appearances this season against Crewe and as sub for Torres in the 0-0 against villa. We're hardly knocking them in for fun, yet he can't get on the bench let alone pitch.

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:24 pm

red37 wrote:So far i have to admit i'm pleased with Ngog. A rough diamond, he looks to have a bit about him and a fair amount of game intelligence for someone as young as 19. Good stuff, lets hope he will come of age at this club and go on to be a real gem.

Agree that he seems to have the raw materials - only 19, but quick, strong, looks like he's got a shot on him from what we've seen so far.

Hope he's got the mental attitude to harness and deploy his natural attributes effectively.

Cisse, on paper, had / has all the physical attributes you'd look for in a striker, but couldn't get his head around something as simple as how to bend your run and stay onside.

by **Owzat** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:44 pm

Honestly though, I couldn't give a sheet whether a player "has all the physical attributes" or not, as far as I'm concerned they score goals or they don't. People go on about Owen being "past it" and not as quick as he was, he still knocks in goals when he plays and that is the crucial thing.

by **Bam** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:53 pm

Owzat wrote:Honestly though, I couldn't give a sheet whether a player "has all the physical attributes" or not, as far as I'm concerned they score goals or they don't. People go on about Owen being "past it" and not as quick as he was, he still knocks in goals when he plays and that is the crucial thing.

Kuyt doesnt.

by **Fo Dne** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:55 pm

Bam wrote:
Owzat wrote:Honestly though, I couldn't give a sheet whether a player "has all the physical attributes" or not, as far as I'm concerned they score goals or they don't. People go on about Owen being "past it" and not as quick as he was, he still knocks in goals when he plays and that is the crucial thing.

Kuyt doesnt.

But he works hard and runs around alot...

Even the stats show it

by **Owzat** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:25 pm

Bam wrote:
Owzat wrote:Honestly though, I couldn't give a sheet whether a player "has all the physical attributes" or not, as far as I'm concerned they score goals or they don't. People go on about Owen being "past it" and not as quick as he was, he still knocks in goals when he plays and that is the crucial thing.

Kuyt doesnt.

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:32 pm

Owzat wrote:Honestly though, I couldn't give a sheet whether a player "has all the physical attributes" or not, as far as I'm concerned they score goals or they don't. People go on about Owen being "past it" and not as quick as he was, he still knocks in goals when he plays and that is the crucial thing.

And until I see enough of him to make that judgement, I'll just talk about what I have seen of him....

by **Sabre** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:58 pm

The progression of this youngster seems to be traditional. First, making a preseason with the team, do well enough to tell the manager that he can count on him during the season, which he did, and then wait his chance.

Of course, we're top of the table, but I don't remember many comfortable wins, and I remember many come backs. Ngog just needs we have a 2-0 or a 3-0 so that he can come to the team and have his share of minutes while he gives a rest to Keane or Torres. I hope we'll see the lad in those situations. For the first season in the first team, it would be enough.

Despite a lack of strikers, N'Gog is barely making the bench,

This "stat" of Owzat though about the times he didn't make it to the bench is meaningful. I did expect more appearances in the bench, not in the pitch.

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:06 pm

WTF? I just cannot see in any way shape or form what this lad has. He may be lightening quick but I haven't seen any evidence of it yet. He doesn't seem blessed with bags of skill, nor does he seem good in the air. He doesn't seem to be particularly aware of whats going on around him, and he doesn't work his socks off.

How can he possibly be a credible replacement for Keane (there's no wonder the Irishman is getting fecked off), and aren't this Nemeth, Pacecho and the like better than him given how much people on here talk them up all the time?

I'm not in any way witch-hunting this young fella, but I simply cannot see any single thing about him which convinces me that he may one day make a footballer. Is it just me or what?

by **metalhead** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:09 pm

No mate its not just you.

I agree, I don't understand the signing at all, he is a poor player with a poor touch and passing.

I agree, Nemeth and Pacheco could do better than him, I don't know why Rafa doesn't play them at least as options in games, maybe because he doesnt rate them as much as ngog (who I think is just a poor player).

by **tubby** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:11 pm

Yet more proof that Rafa is not good at signing young players imo. And you cant say Nemeth nemeth either. Under 23s or whatever it is he plays is a different kettle of fish. They are all rubbish tbh otherwise we would be seeing them trying to break into the 1st team.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:12 pm

He is in the Newz bar most nights of the week sh@ggin local wags maybe thats why he gets a start over Babel?

by **metalhead** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:14 pm

This pacheco fellow could be a player who can unlock those tight defences with some of his killer balls he does (that I've seen in pre-season). Maybe Im wrong, but he should have been given a chance in the carling cup this season.

by **tubby** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:17 pm

Ciggy wrote:He is in the Newz bar most nights of the week sh@ggin local wags maybe thats why he gets a start over Babel?

The situation with our kids is generally so bad I can only laugh.Do you not think Paccheo is a bit young though metalhead?

by **metalhead** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:23 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Ciggy wrote:He is in the Newz bar most nights of the week sh@ggin local wags maybe thats why he gets a start over Babel?

The situation with our kids is generally so bad I can only laugh.Do you not think Paccheo is a bit young though metalhead?

Yeh, like I was saying, would have loved to see him playing in the carling cup or something.

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