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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:19 pm

maybe they just wanna make it seem as if its his last shot at winning the EPL so he will try harder then ever?

by **Sabre** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:29 pm

It's true that is not strictly necessary to offer him a new long contract now. But it's convenient if you want to send the manager a real message of trust in his work, when there's 18 months to end the contract hollow words won't be enough for that.

It all depends on how badly you rate the manager in charge. If the yanks wait further than the summer to sit down and talk with Rafa about a new contract, it won't come across as they're interested in him in a long term, no matter their words about Rafa.

If you don't want to keep the manager but you don't want to sack him neither the best thing is to let run his contract. But in summer Rafa will have offers on his desk, and like anyone else he'll think about his future, so he'll probably let the club know these offers and understandably will ask the club what are their plans.

If the club says "We're not sure what to do" then that will be the end of Rafa here.

I agree though the notion that until Summer, Rafa must be totally focused in the next game, not his future.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:33 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:violent verbal wars?

Your emo is showing, lad. Cards are for abuse...not for questioning why someone would interpret a news story as coming from Rafa. Read the thread back and point out where any "violent verbal wars" took place...I must have missed them.

yeah fairs fair, 'violent verbal wars' is a bit strong. :laugh:

good point about rafa though, maybe they dont want to tie him in cos would that mean it's cost them a lot more to get rid? big payout etc?

by **taff** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:35 pm

Does anybody know what the views of the Dubai lot are regarding Rafa. I think I read something last year that they would replace him but that was before the show of support. Anybody buying the club would have to keep Rafa, assuming we challenge this year, or buy a club and become hated. Cantona in 442 magazine fears for Man Utd after Ferguson goes because the owners, although hated have Ferguson running a smooth ship and winning trophies, this might be seen as papering over the cracks that will appear when he retires.

For arguments sake if I was a billionaire and bought LFC and I hated Rafa with a passion, it still makes business sense to keep him on, although that Newcastle guy must be a suuccessful businessman aquiring the fortune he has but in football terms he looks like a fruitcake

by **tubby** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:46 pm

Sabre wrote:I agree though the notion that until Summer, Rafa must be totally focused in the next game, not his future.

Defiantley he will say that out loud but in the back of his mind he will surley be thinking other things even if he never mentions it.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:50 pm

taff wrote:Does anybody know what the views of the Dubai lot are regarding Rafa. I think I read something last year that they would replace him but that was before the show of support. Anybody buying the club would have to keep Rafa, assuming we challenge this year, or buy a club and become hated. Cantona in 442 magazine fears for Man Utd after Ferguson goes because the owners, although hated have Ferguson running a smooth ship and winning trophies, this might be seen as papering over the cracks that will appear when he retires.

For arguments sake if I was a billionaire and bought LFC and I hated Rafa with a passion, it still makes business sense to keep him on, although that Newcastle guy must be a suuccessful businessman aquiring the fortune he has but in football terms he looks like a fruitcake

I would think that anyone buying the club would want a period of assessment anyway before making any changes to the management. I would expect them to wait till the end of the season and reassess the situation then.

Probably the easiest way for any new owners to solve the problem if they arn't happy with Rafa would be to just let him accept one of the many offers he would get if it became apparent he was no longer wanted and no new contract was going to be offered. No need to sack him, just quietly let him go.

They could always bring in a joint manager ..... that seems to work well

by **taff** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:01 pm

The problem for a billionaire (your a billionaire what f***ng problems) would be the support Rafa received especially if we do well this season as the fans can sniff the league, albeit a faint whiff but its definitely there.

To let him go after the quotes he has said about staying would lead to even bigger conspiracy theories than we have now. The team looks good which if you were adamant about sacking Rafa would be a consideration. Would the owners want influence and bring in a glamour coach or well known figurhead, Klinsman for example or would they be buying a club looking at a long term strategy hence keeping Benitez.

Say we win the league but the new owners come in and want Pele because he is a legend then the club would be in turmoil. A crazy option woud be us winning the league and CL and then the Yanks staying on because of the income and profile that would bring.

What scares me is the difference between what we want and what money men want

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:01 pm

peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Sabre wrote:For that matter rumours are present herefrom a while ago that Rafa will leave Liverpool in summer. According to the gossip moguls here, Rafa will require two things to stay in Liverpool, winning the league, and then, getting the money he needs to go forward.

So at the end of the season the only one to be happy will be Peewee, either Rafa is sacked, or we're league champions, he always wins.

to be honest sabre i am happy that rafa has at least started to show that he is learning and i feel we will be there of thereabouts at the end, all he needs to do now is address the big problem on the right.

and as for woof woof, duh. someone else trying to twist comments hoping for an argument, pretending to miss the obvious point of my comment shows you are stirring it, however if you did actually miss the point....... well what can i say

Is it still a big problem if we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season ?

I dont see what the toilets have to do with anything

typo - apologies

What I was asking was:

If we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season, and Kuyt is still right midfield, is it still a big problem ?

Disclaimer - I am simply asking a question, and dont want any trouble, if I have offended anyone by questioning hteir reasoning or opinion then my sincerest apologies will follow

by **taff** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:04 pm

For people who are not overtly fond of Rafa or Kuyt this is an interesting question and one I hope to see answered.

In fact I want us to win the league with Kuyt as a regular even though everyone else has been rotated.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:29 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Sabre wrote:For that matter rumours are present herefrom a while ago that Rafa will leave Liverpool in summer. According to the gossip moguls here, Rafa will require two things to stay in Liverpool, winning the league, and then, getting the money he needs to go forward.

So at the end of the season the only one to be happy will be Peewee, either Rafa is sacked, or we're league champions, he always wins.

to be honest sabre i am happy that rafa has at least started to show that he is learning and i feel we will be there of thereabouts at the end, all he needs to do now is address the big problem on the right.

and as for woof woof, duh. someone else trying to twist comments hoping for an argument, pretending to miss the obvious point of my comment shows you are stirring it, however if you did actually miss the point....... well what can i say

Is it still a big problem if we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season ?

I dont see what the toilets have to do with anything

typo - apologies

What I was asking was:

If we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season, and Kuyt is still right midfield, is it still a big problem ?

Disclaimer - I am simply asking a question, and dont want any trouble, if I have offended anyone by questioning hteir reasoning or opinion then my sincerest apologies will follow

i'm offended by the big red text, hurts my eyes it does

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:32 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Sabre wrote:For that matter rumours are present herefrom a while ago that Rafa will leave Liverpool in summer. According to the gossip moguls here, Rafa will require two things to stay in Liverpool, winning the league, and then, getting the money he needs to go forward.

So at the end of the season the only one to be happy will be Peewee, either Rafa is sacked, or we're league champions, he always wins.

to be honest sabre i am happy that rafa has at least started to show that he is learning and i feel we will be there of thereabouts at the end, all he needs to do now is address the big problem on the right.

and as for woof woof, duh. someone else trying to twist comments hoping for an argument, pretending to miss the obvious point of my comment shows you are stirring it, however if you did actually miss the point....... well what can i say

Is it still a big problem if we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season ?

I dont see what the toilets have to do with anything

typo - apologies

What I was asking was:

If we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season, and Kuyt is still right midfield, is it still a big problem ?

Disclaimer - I am simply asking a question, and dont want any trouble, if I have offended anyone by questioning hteir reasoning or opinion then my sincerest apologies will follow

If we are THERE no, if we are THEREABOUTS yes.

Sorry about the capitals, I lost the pm you sent me that explains how to change the text etc etc .... hint hint

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:34 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:so the mods card others when things go out of order. who cards the mod when they insinuate violent verbal wars?

Isn't that the way the world works? Ironic given what this topic is about. Once you take your coat off for the Man, yer f*cked.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:41 pm

Sabre wrote:
andy_g wrote:sorry for going off topic but i wanted to say this:

liverpool are in the news right now because we are having a very good start to the season and there are murmerings that we might just have a go at it this time. therefore there has to be at least one liverpool story in the football press every morning, even if it isn't based on much. this is today's story.

18 months is plenty of time to get a new contract sorted out. its not as if he's losing transfer value and will be eventually be free to leave on a bosman.

I won't be the one who denies that the press has tried to unsettle Liverpool in the past, and they probably still do.

And I'm the first one to want Rafa staying here longer as I think he's the right man, but I'm very worried when I review the Klinsman incident, when I review the refusal to bring Barry, when I review when he was told to focus on coaching, and when I remember he left Valencia for less than that, I can't help to be worried about his future here, regardless what the press say.

I think that the only reason so that Rafa stays are the fans, the supporters and the city, because the environment has been quite insulting for him.

If he doesn't win the league he'll probably leave. If he wins the league, it will be the time for Rafa setting conditions to stay. But if I had to bet, I'd say that he won't stay more than this season

I fear for it too... I'm actually thinking that rafa might have been staying at liverpool as long as he has under less than ideal conditions not only because he loves the club and fans but also because he is an extremely competitive man. He doesn't wanna give up on winning the title with liverpool just yet. So if we did win the title within this couple of years he could just decide that 'I've done enough for the club... here I go'... after all he would have won all 3 major titles, the league, the CL and the FA cup which no other liverpool manager have managed so far. And you can't really blame him for leaving after he achieved his goals given how fecked up the yanks are. So in a way, he might leave wether we win or fail. Unless the yanks offer him a contract extension based on our performances in the CL and rafa's track record in europe... because the CL money is something that the yanks like alot...

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:48 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:so the mods card others when things go out of order. who cards the mod when they insinuate violent verbal wars?

Isn't that the way the world works? Ironic given what this topic is about. Once you take your coat off for the Man, yer f*cked.

Sorry mate, I think thats just a little over the top. I like peewee,and he is brave enough to say what he thinks even when he knows he is going to get stick for it, but I don't think even peewee would agree with that mate.

by **Effes** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:05 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
aCe' wrote:hehe... some mods are a fcking joke !
going on and on about not stirring up sht and carding people for it then they come on and slate a good poster imo for having an opinion !
Practice what you preach wont ya !

Get a grip , the poster wasn't slated for having an opinion, it was the opinion that was slated, hardly cause for spitting dummies.

From your post on page 1:

expressing such an "opinion" is surely by default asking us to consider that Rafa may have started the story ? or have I got that wrong as well.

As for the rest of your whinge.

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You defo slated him there.

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Anyhow - the thing that seems to keep Rafa loyal to LFC is the fans, he may have gone by now if it wasn't because of the fans.

There's a lot more water to go under the bridge before anyone can say what's what.

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