United states of america presidential elections - + some folklore

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Postby JoeTerp » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:34 pm

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metalhead wrote:Hey Joe, been hearing from some American buddies that some people in the south have been raising confiderate flags in some towns.

This must be a scary situation.

people have been raising Confederate flags for over a hundred years. A lot of state capitols up until very recently and I still think some might, fly it along with teh state flag and American flag.

Though what if Obama wins? some southerners won't take that lightly because there is still alot of racisim issues going on there.

Obama doesn't have anything to do with slavery in America. His father was born in Africa.

Plus the flag to most people represents states rights and the people that died trying to fight for them.  A large majority of the people that fought in the civil war for the south were NOT slave owners. Today, most southerners are the most patriotic Americans, and on top of that they feel a deeper connection to other southerners and their connected southern lifestyle. Only a very vrey very very very small percentage of people who wave the confederate flag do it as a way to intimidate black people.  And I personally would be shocked if someone actually assasinated him or even tried to.  The only thing that makes me worry is that the only people crazy enough to hate black people that much, would also be crazy enough to kill someone
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Postby JoeTerp » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:36 pm

we have a MUCH MUCH bigger problem in this country with subtle racism or reverse racism and I am not sure how that problem can be resolved other than giving it another 200 or so years.
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Postby jeffiroquai » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:02 pm

Agree with you Joe.

As for Sabre's question.  I would gather that the level of the families participation in politics, or the political process, would determine how ones politics would transfer.  My father was in the military for 30+ years, has a govt contracting business, and is a big time Republican.  I work for the govt., non-military and lean towards the left but would be more centrist on guns, crime, etc.

The lines are drawn pretty specifically:

environment, education, health care, abortion rights, poverty management= dem's

rich, oil, war, tax cuts, crushing the middle class= republicans :D

Just kidding joe.
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Postby jeffiroquai » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:04 pm

Oh, and Bob, she is kinda foxy eh?  Defenitely a little easier on the eyes than Hillary.........:p
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:37 pm

jeffiroquai wrote:Oh, and Bob, she is kinda foxy eh?  Defenitely a little easier on the eyes than Hillary.........:p

Way more than a little mate... :D

Sabre, it's like anywhere, I think.  Much has to do with the children's upbringing, schooling, peer group, occupation, need for independence etc.  I don't think you can easily generalize about voting patterns between generations.  It is a divisive issue, though.  I remember my wife and I visiting her parents during the last presidential election (Kerry v. Bush) and all of us getting into a huge row over the election.  Her parents are staunch Republicans and were certain that we had been fed a line of horsesh.it from the liberal Canadian media about Iraq etc.  That is, they felt we weren't getting anywhere near close to the real story on Bush and his party.  From our perspective, however, they were not getting the whole story because they got all of their political news from conservative talk radio: Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and that ilk.  What was worse, they couldn't acknowledge that media bias could cut both ways.  To them, the media was biased towards liberal views while Rush and Bill just "told it like it is".  We had a 20 minute heated discussion about whether O'Reilly's show truly was a "No Spin Zone".  In the end, like so many barneys on here, we had to agree to disagree, lest it ruin our visit.  Thankfully we put it all behind us and they continue to be two of my favourite people in the world, despite their political views! :nod
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Postby Sabre » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:02 pm

Yes, by the look of it it's like anywhere, I get the picture, perhaps there's a bit more tradition it seems, but it's very similar to Spain.
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Postby JoeTerp » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:40 pm

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jeffiroquai wrote:Oh, and Bob, she is kinda foxy eh?  Defenitely a little easier on the eyes than Hillary.........:p

Way more than a little mate... :D

Sabre, it's like anywhere, I think.  Much has to do with the children's upbringing, schooling, peer group, occupation, need for independence etc.  I don't think you can easily generalize about voting patterns between generations.  It is a divisive issue, though.  I remember my wife and I visiting her parents during the last presidential election (Kerry v. Bush) and all of us getting into a huge row over the election.  Her parents are staunch Republicans and were certain that we had been fed a line of horsesh.it from the liberal Canadian media about Iraq etc.  That is, they felt we weren't getting anywhere near close to the real story on Bush and his party.  From our perspective, however, they were not getting the whole story because they got all of their political news from conservative talk radio: Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and that ilk.  What was worse, they couldn't acknowledge that media bias could cut both ways.  To them, the media was biased towards liberal views while Rush and Bill just "told it like it is".  We had a 20 minute heated discussion about whether O'Reilly's show truly was a "No Spin Zone".  In the end, like so many barneys on here, we had to agree to disagree, lest it ruin our visit.  Thankfully we put it all behind us and they continue to be two of my favourite people in the world, despite their political views! :nod

I can't stand O'Reilly. The worst part is when he lets on people that hate him and controls the medium and conversation so much that he makes them look like an idiot.  The worst part is he never says anything that is blatantly racist enough to get in trouble, but if you watch just a few of his shows you start to pick up that he isn't thrilled about blacks and latinos.  And he is certainly of the "if you say something enough times, people might start to think its true" type of deal. and he ALWAYS ALWAYS trys to over simplify things into easy to understand dichotomies.  And I hate how he tries to classify people by his term "secular progressive" and say it like its a bad thing. As in, there are good chrisitan god fearing people, and then there are "san francisco values" "secular progressives" all having gay sex with each while taking a sh.it on the bible.
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Postby bunglemark2 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:51 pm

JoeTerp wrote:and then there are "san francisco values" "secular progressives" all having gay sex with each while taking a sh.it on the bible.

Come on, Joe....you can be as broadminded as you like, espouse a live-and-let-live viewpoint, but you gotta admit such actions are a little extreme ?  :D
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Postby jeffiroquai » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:16 pm

If Bill O'Reilly was English, he would work for the Sun.

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Postby Sabre » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:38 pm

Disclaimer: my politics and economy knowledge are basic, more or less what a 17 year older knows.

Question:

Joe, am I right to assume that from your ideology, the proposal of Bush to make an intervention with tax payer's money to save the system is an error?

And to the american newkitters in general, I hear the the congress has said no to the measure. What's behind that denial? I mean, from an ideology point of view, a Republican may find direct intervention of the government in the system as left winged. But is that the true reason so that a few congressmen say no? or perhaps do they defend the interests of certain businessmen that think that the "crisis" of others might mean a lot of opportunities for them?

In the last days I hear that Obama has gained advantage due to the crisis, is that perceived like that aswell there?

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Postby Zidane » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:11 pm

I don't know much about politics so don't want to come off as a know it all or anything but from what i've read it was denied due to it going against republican ideology and also there is re-election coming up for congressman.  A lot of them wanted to be re-elected so voted against it out of fear of not being re-elected.  I think it should have passed and more than likely it inevitably will it's just a matter of time .  On another note yes, Obama is leading at the moment.
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Postby Zidane » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:42 pm

McCain is a tool though, I really hope he doesn't pull this election out would be a sad day for America. IMO.
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Postby tubby » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:44 pm

Im not that big on this whole thing but I do know but when Clinton left office he had built the US economy to a healthy point. Most of it was :censored: away on defence and now they have :censored: things up big time. The country needs a change of direction and the Democrats is the way to go imo.
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Postby Sabre » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:01 pm

Thanks for the answers.

As much as I don't like Bush, can we blame any government of the crisis? it seems to me that economical crisis have a cyclical nature and they come regardless who is in charge!
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Postby tubby » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:03 pm

Well I guess many are to blame for that and its true what goes up must come down. I guess its just what is needed to balance things out as they were getting stupid.
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