Liverpool FC Forum

by **kazza** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:11 am

maguskwt wrote:precisely... let's take an example here... as far as I know most of the Defenders of Kuyt (including me) are not supporting him blindly... they defend him because 90% of criticism he's receiving ARE NOT sensible and sometimes to the extent of being unclassy. such as the 'he's more useful injured' or 'he's more useful dead than injured' or those who reject his goal because it went off his knee or shin or whatever. And that's when the questioning of whether one is a real supporter of the club starts thrown at. If the criticism becomes too unclassy to the extent that you wish your OWN club to be thrashed by another team just to prove the point then the response is called for imo. In fact, if you look at the dirk kuyt thread ppl who're defending him ARE the ones who are explaining in length in a SENSIBLE manner not the ones who're criticising him. So, they are called 'happy clappy' for that and all the personal insults starts. In fact it is of my opnion that most of the people who are defending anyone ARE the ones explaining their support more sensibly than those who are criticising easily at the players and the manager. Of course sometimes there are these fanboys who even after a lengthy post to give reason/explain a criticism of a player, they would attempt to get under the skin of a criticiser. But to think that it is mainly the happer clappers who get under the skin of the criticiser is obviously biased.

PS. and yes like LFC put it the senseless criticisms are just too regular, too easy, and the same old thing most of the time.

Well said

by **Number 9** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:13 am

GYBS wrote:It seems to me its the happy clappers that get the abuse because they back the players and manager as opposed to constant slagging them off . Overall it seems no matter what happens the majority of the posts are negative ones about everything , even after the man utd win and marseille win the level of negativity was still there to be seen . yeah things are outstandingly brilliant at the moment but they are still good and positive and you can see it in the results(majority of them ) and position in table . that maybe be happy clapping or whatever its called but to me it is just trying to see the positive at the moment .

If anyone feels like complaining they should just look at UTDs League position!5 points from 4 games!15th in the table!!
SEVEN points dropped and we've only just started! :laugh:

by **bigmick** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:16 am

Kazza, if Rafa thinks Kuyt is good enough to play up front for Liverpool, why does he play him on the right and then go and spend 20 million quid on a striker in the Summer? I think when Rafa bought him he thought he was good enough to play up front for Liverpool, some of us even agreed with him at first, but in light of what we now know he is only ever good enough as a stop gap or last resort. That's not to say he is sh!t up front or anything, but Liverpool are a top four premiership club and Dirk isn't good enough to play up front for one. Regardless of what you do for a living :cool:

, can you honestly say he would get close to getting a game up front for any of Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal?

I will repeat my dismissive stance of earlier. If you do, then I don't think you understand the game of association football. Once more I'll concede that as a right midfielder in a 4-5-1 he has his uses, but up top is a definate no-no, and although marginally not as bad, I'mm afraid right midfield in a 4-4-2 isn't for him either.

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:22 am

Bad Bob wrote:The problem at the moment is the way Torres and Keane are misfiring.

That's because the service, on saturday in particular was shocking. They've been feeding off scraps all season. I said before the season started that I feared that Torres would struggle to hit the heights of last season (in all fairness any striker would) but he's still not 100% fit either. As for Keane, it's almost as if he's trying too hard at times.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:26 am

Kuyt got moved just behind the striker against Liege in place of keane and got on the score sheet . Also the reason why torres is misfiring is because we are playing 442 .

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:59 am

Also, our set pieces are still absolutely woeful. People focus solely on the delivery, but no one attacks the ball either, apart from Hyypia when he's in the side. Luis Garcia was better in the air than anyone in the team now.

by **Judge** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:02 pm

stmichael wrote:Luis Garcia was better in the air than anyone in the team now.

was that when he's flying around following a tackle

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:10 pm

Judge wrote:
stmichael wrote:Luis Garcia was better in the air than anyone in the team now.

was that when he's flying around following a tackle

or giving the ball away trying a trick ?

by **bigmick** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:15 pm

GYBS wrote:
Judge wrote:
stmichael wrote:Luis Garcia was better in the air than anyone in the team now.

was that when he's flying around following a tackle

or giving the ball away trying a trick ?

Course Kuyt's a better player than Garcia as well I suppose

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:19 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Judge wrote:
stmichael wrote:Luis Garcia was better in the air than anyone in the team now.

was that when he's flying around following a tackle

or giving the ball away trying a trick ?

Course Kuyt's a better player than Garcia as well I suppose

what

!! why drag Kuyt into it ? Garcia is a totally different player . :sleep

by **bigmick** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:22 pm

I know. Berbatov and Kuyt are totally different players as well and yet you were busy comparing them earlier. I simply assertained from your comment about Garcia losing the ball whilst attempting a trick that you were perhaps not quite so supportive of the little Spaniard as you are of Kuyt.

I do agree with you though, Kuyt and Garcia are different types of players.

Just out of interest though, who do you think is the better footballer of the two, same question as was put to you abnout Berbatov earlier?

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:32 pm

I wasnt comparing the two mate other people were and were asking me questions about the two . I was just as supportive of garcia as i am about kuyt and i liked him as a player when he was here just fustrated me at times but i concentrated on the positives he brought to the team and im not going to compare him to kuyt as we could drag up every single footballer in the world and compare them to kuyt - it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference and would prove absolutely nothing.

by **kazza** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:40 pm

bigmick wrote:Kazza, if Rafa thinks Kuyt is good enough to play up front for Liverpool, why does he play him on the right and then go and spend 20 million quid on a striker in the Summer? I think when Rafa bought him he thought he was good enough to play up front for Liverpool, some of us even agreed with him at first, but in light of what we now know he is only ever good enough as a stop gap or last resort. That's not to say he is sh!t up front or anything, but Liverpool are a top four premiership club and Dirk isn't good enough to play up front for one. Regardless of what you do for a living , can you honestly say he would get close to getting a game up front for any of Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal?

I will repeat my dismissive stance of earlier. If you do, then I don't think you understand the game of association football. Once more I'll concede that as a right midfielder in a 4-5-1 he has his uses, but up top is a definate no-no, and although marginally not as bad, I'mm afraid right midfield in a 4-4-2 isn't for him either.

He probably will not get a game for those clubs as they have better players. If I recall he has played as striker for us as well as Holland. The point is not whether Kuyt is a great striker, it is that as long as he gives 100% to the team he should not have personal insults made against him.That is the issue, not whether he is a great player or not.

Once again everyone is entitled to rate a player and evryone is intitled to think a player is sh1t. But when I as a fan have to listen to CONSTANT insults from someone that means nothing to me, againt a Liverpool player I will take offence and give my opinion about that person. Simple really and as far as I am concerned it is what being a supporter is all about.

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:04 pm

GYBS wrote:Also the reason why torres is misfiring is because we are playing 442 .

So you are effectively blaming Robbie Keane for Torres' poor form?

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:10 pm

Im blaming the formation for torres not scoring as freely as he did last year . during the euros when villa was injured he had a high midfielder behind him and he played his best game of the tournament.before that torres did a lot of work for villa . we dont want him doing the work - players like kuyt etc can do that for him - we want torres scoring freely . he gelled so well with gerrard last year and want him to do so again . so far him and keane havent clicked and i dont think they will to any devasting effect .

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