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peewee wrote:pair of b*strds

  Bloo/dy hell i missed that one Pee i just might have to put the chrimbo decorations up early now. Them words should be immortalised on the forum

Rafa done something better than Fergie by Peewee

NANNY RED wrote:

peewee wrote:pair of b*strds

  Bloo/dy hell i missed that one Pee i just might have to put the chrimbo decorations up early now. Them words should be immortalised on the forum

Rafa done something better than Fergie by Peewee

dont you start   

metalhead wrote:David Prentice: Rafa Benitez is a master tactician

I don't trust anything that tw@t says

maguskwt wrote:

bigmick wrote:If we win the title with 78 points we're still the Champions and I personally wouldn't give a feck about the points total. Please though, until we've achived that at the very least once and probably more times than that, lets compare the manager with managers who he stands sensible comparison, ie Houllier, Evans and Sounness.

I agree with your point about not comparing the manager to the league winning managers... but talk about comparing like for like... houllier, evans and sounness never won the CL... surely benitez should be considered a more accomplished manager than all 3 of them and to compare him to them, maybe with the exception of houllier, is a bit of a disrespect especially, evans and sounness. Houllier, fair enough, won alot of trophies with liverpool... so he's more of a 'sensible' comparison...

Absolutely Mag.. come on Mick, CL win FA cup win, league final appearance and CL appearance again .. Rafa perhaps stands alone for now in terms of comparitiors.. I would say that his task is like that of Shanks.. establishing LFC as a league force once more.

zarababe wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

bigmick wrote:If we win the title with 78 points we're still the Champions and I personally wouldn't give a feck about the points total. Please though, until we've achived that at the very least once and probably more times than that, lets compare the manager with managers who he stands sensible comparison, ie Houllier, Evans and Sounness.

I agree with your point about not comparing the manager to the league winning managers... but talk about comparing like for like... houllier, evans and sounness never won the CL... surely benitez should be considered a more accomplished manager than all 3 of them and to compare him to them, maybe with the exception of houllier, is a bit of a disrespect especially, evans and sounness. Houllier, fair enough, won alot of trophies with liverpool... so he's more of a 'sensible' comparison...

Absolutely Mag.. come on Mick, CL win FA cup win, league final appearance and CL appearance again .. Rafa perhaps stands alone for now in terms of comparitiors.. I would say that his task is like that of Shanks.. establishing LFC as a league force once more.

Sorry Zara, for me absolutely no comparison whatsoever holds water between Rafa and our manegerial greats of the past. He still has the opportunity of course to write himself into those history books, but he is a country mile away from being sensibly compared to the likes of Shankly and Paisley and Dalglish in my opinion.

I appreciate people want to support the current manager and talk him up, and I fully respect that and don't wish to disrespect him in any way. Similarly however, I think the previous managers mentioned deserve the utmost reverence, and to compare them to a manager who in four seasons has never once even challenged for the title, not even for a little bit, is IMHO to diminish their contribution to the history of the football club.

To me it's like comparing Ron Atkinson to alex Ferguson, Dave Basset to Brian Clough, Mike Walker to Howard Kendall, Bruce Rioch to Arsene Wenger.

If he can challenge for the title he has done a good job. Even that though wouldn't be sufficient for me to talk of him being one of the greats, he'd need to win it, and more than once to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Like I say, lets compare him with Houllier that's more sensible. Houllier did the treble or the quadruple or whatever it was (probably the quintet if you include the Masters as well) and Rafa won the Champions League with a team which included eight Houllier players or whatever it was. I think Rafa is a better manager than the Frenchman but many will debate and dispute that. At least there is a debate though. Once we get onto the Dalglish, Paisley and God forbid Shankly comparisons we are IMHO anyway in cloud cuckoo land.

pass_da_dutchie wrote:It's amazing how opinion's differ so highly from one forum to another.

On one forum Paul Tomkins is held as the greatest reporter this side of Pluto, while on here people want him hung, drawn and quatered. Personally I take everything he writes with a pinch of salt but he still writes sense with love for this club, which is really a rare thing in today's media.

He writes things in favour of the club so that what he does write is highlighted on LFC's official site. Read the forums, disagree with anything with the club on there and your slated for it. Support or sod off is the motto of LFC.TV.

Kharhaz wrote:

pass_da_dutchie wrote:It's amazing how opinion's differ so highly from one forum to another.

On one forum Paul Tomkins is held as the greatest reporter this side of Pluto, while on here people want him hung, drawn and quatered. Personally I take everything he writes with a pinch of salt but he still writes sense with love for this club, which is really a rare thing in today's media.

He writes things in favour of the club so that what he does write is highlighted on LFC's official site. Read the forums, disagree with anything with the club on there and your slated for it. Support or sod off is the motto of LFC.TV.

Well call me old fashioned but I always thought on a Liverpool Football Club based forum or Liverpool Football Club based site the general idea was to support Liverpool Football Club. Maybe the times have changed and now instead of supporting the club, it's time to shoot down people who tend to look at things in a slightly more positive way.

Tomkins may very well take things that bit too far for some, but at the end of the day, he's still writing about Liverpool Football Club (our club - I assume you support this club as well) in a way that shows it's not all that bad.

bigmick wrote:

zarababe wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

bigmick wrote:If we win the title with 78 points we're still the Champions and I personally wouldn't give a feck about the points total. Please though, until we've achived that at the very least once and probably more times than that, lets compare the manager with managers who he stands sensible comparison, ie Houllier, Evans and Sounness.

I agree with your point about not comparing the manager to the league winning managers... but talk about comparing like for like... houllier, evans and sounness never won the CL... surely benitez should be considered a more accomplished manager than all 3 of them and to compare him to them, maybe with the exception of houllier, is a bit of a disrespect especially, evans and sounness. Houllier, fair enough, won alot of trophies with liverpool... so he's more of a 'sensible' comparison...

Absolutely Mag.. come on Mick, CL win FA cup win, league final appearance and CL appearance again .. Rafa perhaps stands alone for now in terms of comparitiors.. I would say that his task is like that of Shanks.. establishing LFC as a league force once more.

Sorry Zara, for me absolutely no comparison whatsoever holds water between Rafa and our manegerial greats of the past. He still has the opportunity of course to write himself into those history books, but he is a country mile away from being sensibly compared to the likes of Shankly and Paisley and Dalglish in my opinion.

I appreciate people want to support the current manager and talk him up, and I fully respect that and don't wish to disrespect him in any way. Similarly however, I think the previous managers mentioned deserve the utmost reverence, and to compare them to a manager who in four seasons has never once even challenged for the title, not even for a little bit, is IMHO to diminish their contribution to the history of the football club.

To me it's like comparing Ron Atkinson to alex Ferguson, Dave Basset to Brian Clough, Mike Walker to Howard Kendall, Bruce Rioch to Arsene Wenger.

If he can challenge for the title he has done a good job. Even that though wouldn't be sufficient for me to talk of him being one of the greats, he'd need to win it, and more than once to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Like I say, lets compare him with Houllier that's more sensible. Houllier did the treble or the quadruple or whatever it was (probably the quintet if you include the Masters as well) and Rafa won the Champions League with a team which included eight Houllier players or whatever it was. I think Rafa is a better manager than the Frenchman but many will debate and dispute that. At least there is a debate though. Once we get onto the Dalglish, Paisley and God forbid Shankly comparisons we are IMHO anyway in cloud cuckoo land.

Agreed BM - Not comparing Rafa to Paisley or Dalglish - but certainly believe he is better than Souness and Evans and superior to Houllier too, though clearly has to win the league.

I think the task he faces following the decline after Dalglish and the continued decline under subsequent managers makes his task similar to that of Shanks, in lifting the giant from league obscurity to become a real force once again. Winning the CL has endeared him to many but most importantly put Liverpool firmly back amongst the European elite, provided the catalyst for attracting the likes of Torres and Reina and retaining the services of a certain Gerrard.

This achivement can't be underestimated, the 'Rafa affect' and respect he has in world football is a real important factor in helping to lift Liverpool again, on the back of that incredible night in Istanbul.

In terms of the CL, we've belittled it a bit on these pages, but for me it is as important as the league, because it is a measure of success against the elites of Europe and very hard to win - when you think Fergie's only just won it twice in his tenure, Arsene still dreams about it and Chelsea.. well they keep sacking managers to get their hands on it 

I firmly believe he'll win the league for us 

pass_da_dutchie wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:

pass_da_dutchie wrote:It's amazing how opinion's differ so highly from one forum to another.

On one forum Paul Tomkins is held as the greatest reporter this side of Pluto, while on here people want him hung, drawn and quatered. Personally I take everything he writes with a pinch of salt but he still writes sense with love for this club, which is really a rare thing in today's media.

He writes things in favour of the club so that what he does write is highlighted on LFC's official site. Read the forums, disagree with anything with the club on there and your slated for it. Support or sod off is the motto of LFC.TV.

Well call me old fashioned but I always thought on a Liverpool Football Club based forum or Liverpool Football Club based site the general idea was to support Liverpool Football Club. Maybe the times have changed and now instead of supporting the club, it's time to shoot down people who tend to look at things in a slightly more positive way.

Tomkins may very well take things that bit too far for some, but at the end of the day, he's still writing about Liverpool Football Club (our club - I assume you support this club as well) in a way that shows it's not all that bad.

Absolutely. I will always support this club. But on the main site, you cannot question rafa as it is frowned upon, and mention of the owners, well your treading thin on that ground on the main LFC site. And this is where Tompkins scriblings are read. If he strays from upsetting the main site then not as many people read what he puts. As they are not put forth.

Kharhaz wrote:

pass_da_dutchie wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:

pass_da_dutchie wrote:It's amazing how opinion's differ so highly from one forum to another.

On one forum Paul Tomkins is held as the greatest reporter this side of Pluto, while on here people want him hung, drawn and quatered. Personally I take everything he writes with a pinch of salt but he still writes sense with love for this club, which is really a rare thing in today's media.

He writes things in favour of the club so that what he does write is highlighted on LFC's official site. Read the forums, disagree with anything with the club on there and your slated for it. Support or sod off is the motto of LFC.TV.

Well call me old fashioned but I always thought on a Liverpool Football Club based forum or Liverpool Football Club based site the general idea was to support Liverpool Football Club. Maybe the times have changed and now instead of supporting the club, it's time to shoot down people who tend to look at things in a slightly more positive way.

Tomkins may very well take things that bit too far for some, but at the end of the day, he's still writing about Liverpool Football Club (our club - I assume you support this club as well) in a way that shows it's not all that bad.

Absolutely. I will always support this club. But on the main site, you cannot question rafa as it is frowned upon, and mention of the owners, well your treading thin on that ground on the main LFC site. And this is where Tompkins scriblings are read. If he strays from upsetting the main site then not as many people read what he puts. As they are not put forth.

Well again call me old fashioned but that's life. If you go and slaughter your boss at work, do you expect to have a job to go back to?

If Tomkins was an independant journalist or wrote for one of the national papers then he probably would be able to speak a bit freely although I think in the main he'd still write constructively in a positive light. He's a massive fan of Rafa Benitez, he doesn't hide that at all, and whoever he was writing for he'd still praise Rafa to the heavens and justify whatever mistake he makes.

As for the owners, maybe he prefers to concentrate with matters on the field. One thing that gets me with a lot of Liverpool fans is their constant whinging about the owners giving us bad press yet they then go and complain when the owners aren't being slaughtered in the press

pass_da_dutchie wrote:Well call me old fashioned but I always thought on a Liverpool Football Club based forum or Liverpool Football Club based site the general idea was to support Liverpool Football Club. Maybe the times have changed and now instead of supporting the club, it's time to shoot down people who tend to look at things in a slightly more positive way.

Tomkins may very well take things that bit too far for some, but at the end of the day, he's still writing about Liverpool Football Club (our club - I assume you support this club as well) in a way that shows it's not all that bad.

Absolutely. I will always support this club. But on the main site, you cannot question rafa as it is frowned upon, and mention of the owners, well your treading thin on that ground on the main LFC site. And this is where Tompkins scriblings are read. If he strays from upsetting the main site then not as many people read what he puts. As they are not put forth.[/quote]
Well again call me old fashioned but that's life. If you go and slaughter your boss at work, do you expect to have a job to go back to?

If Tomkins was an independant journalist or wrote for one of the national papers then he probably would be able to speak a bit freely although I think in the main he'd still write constructively in a positive light. He's a massive fan of Rafa Benitez, he doesn't hide that at all, and whoever he was writing for he'd still praise Rafa to the heavens and justify whatever mistake he makes.

As for the owners, maybe he prefers to concentrate with matters on the field. One thing that gets me with a lot of Liverpool fans is their constant whinging about the owners giving us bad press yet they then go and complain when the owners aren't being slaughtered in the press[/quote]
But he does write independently. He has done before, and to read his scriblings, you had to visit his site itself to read it. People on newkit call optimists "happy clappers", this site is nothing compared to LFC.TV. Even us "happy clappers" have questions, and on this site, we are not bombed out for it.