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Postby aCe' » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:31 pm

i only watched the second half so im only going to comment on that...
Team performance - 2/10
Defense               - 4/10 we didnt concede in the 2nd half so..
Midfield (with kuyt)- 3/10 did very little to create chances or even pressure opponents higher up the pitch
Attack                 - 3/10 missed a few good chances ... nothing special all in all

Kuyt 0/10
lost every freaking ball he received i kept an eye on him and i think he only completed 2 or 3 passes, 1 of which was back to reina from the halfway line.. everything and i mean everything broke down when he got on the ball... awful second half and one of the worst iv seen of any player in a liverpool jersey in recent times

Babel missed a sitter that he should have converted but did okay overall.. like the fact that he's direct and can actually use his speed to help our counter attacks when on the ball . lost possession a few times when he could have done better !

Lucas and Mascherano were poor.. benayoun didnt do anything of note coming off the bench..
Riera looked very promising again; looked like he could make something happen out of nothing..

Arbeloa .. a couple of mistakes but one vital tackle , average overall... dossena looked poor again and hasnt done anything so far this season to suggest that hes anywhere near as good as Aurelio or Riise.

Reina... brilliant.. simply brilliant... man of the match for me with his 2nd half display

Torres, Gerrard, Keane didnt do anything in the 2nd half so cant really comment on how they played..
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Postby kunilson » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:38 pm

brilliant result  for us tonight, stevie's first goal was magnificent....

thought babel was impressive, and although we gave the ball away, and looked a bit uncertain in posession we still created chances to kill the game off.....
They had good chances aswell but are expected to being the home side, we were asking for it the way we came out in the 2nd half, the message clearly was to let them come onto us and hit them on the counter..

we looked tired, but we came home with an away win. and we go marching on...
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Postby tonyeh » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:43 pm

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tonyeh wrote:Happy with the win, but really appalled at the Liverpool performance. In the second half Marseille were the better side, by far and this was compounded by some extremely odd substitutions by Rafa who looked to be thinking that a win was in the bag at 2-1!

I think they had no real striker on the pitch for a number of minutes! (Apologies to the Kuyt Brigade :)   ).

That was a lucky win at the end of the day and Marseille were very unfortunate not to be 3 goals up at the end.

Reina saved the bacon.

On a positive side Babel showed clearly what he could do and I think he should get (and needs) regular League football. He was decent in front of goal and was denied by very good goalkeeping. Mandanda's save in the 2nd half was spectacular and alongside Gerrard's crazy goal was the moment of the match for me.

Riera too showed again that he was Rafa's best buy of the season. He's shaping up nicely and I'm surprised he didn't start. I think we may see a difference in that "going forward" (  :D  I hate that phrase). He's really opened up Liverpool's opportunities on the left hand side and the much maligned Kuyt had a decent game.

However, Liverpool are still giving the ball away far too easily and it remains uncomfortable to watch.

Happy, but still very worried. I can't help wondering how long the spell will last.



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Sorry mate, "very worried" about what??

The team looked tired tonight and we was up agaist a very lively and pacey side... that we beat.

What are you very worried about?
Did you expect a better start to the season?  ???

The start to the season is great and I'm delighted with it, but based on a LOT of luck and that can't be relied on long term. I don't think Liverpool, or their fans, can afford to be too smug about the current positions.

What worries me is Liverpool's clear limitations as a team and how long the current spell of wins will last.

As said, tonight they were lucky to win. It certainly wasn't a good performance. Even qualification was touch and go. The first couple of wins in the league involved a ton of luck too. Even the win over, to be honest, a poor Man Utd required luck in the form of an OG from the unfortunate Wes Brown and babel's mis-kick goal. Without that, I feel that Man Utd would have won that game. It was the kick in the :censored: Liverpool needed.

Liverpool consistantly give the ball away and that's going to bite them on the bum soon enough. That's something they need to sort out.

Another thing that's worrying me is the lack of promise from both Torres and Keane, who have been very quiet. I know it's early and that will change (fingers crossed), but the inital signs aren't too positive from them.

I'm especially worried about Keane, who I've said before was Rafa's second fiddle signing after Villa was off the cards. He just doesn't look comfortable at all.

In saying that he was denied a clear run at goal by Benayoun's stupid play tonight. I'd say he was furious...I was.

Worried...but hoping it's mis-placed.



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Postby GOAT_2.0 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:08 am

aCe' wrote:i only watched the second half so im only going to comment on that...
Team performance - 2/10
Defense               - 4/10 we didnt concede in the 2nd half so..
Midfield (with kuyt)- 3/10 did very little to create chances or even pressure opponents higher up the pitch
Attack                 - 3/10 missed a few good chances ... nothing special all in all

Kuyt 0/10
lost every freaking ball he received i kept an eye on him and i think he only completed 2 or 3 passes, 1 of which was back to reina from the halfway line.. everything and i mean everything broke down when he got on the ball... awful second half and one of the worst iv seen of any player in a liverpool jersey in recent times

Babel missed a sitter that he should have converted but did okay overall.. like the fact that he's direct and can actually use his speed to help our counter attacks when on the ball . lost possession a few times when he could have done better !

Lucas and Mascherano were poor.. benayoun didnt do anything of note coming off the bench..
Riera looked very promising again; looked like he could make something happen out of nothing..

Arbeloa .. a couple of mistakes but one vital tackle , average overall... dossena looked poor again and hasnt done anything so far this season to suggest that hes anywhere near as good as Aurelio or Riise.

Reina... brilliant.. simply brilliant... man of the match for me with his 2nd half display

Torres, Gerrard, Keane didnt do anything in the 2nd half so cant really comment on how they played..

Shame that your only commenting on the 2nd half cos we were pretty good in the first

I certainly agree with the kuyt bit in the 2nd half though, I wanted to kill him, the 1 thing we needed to do was keep the ball and every time he touched it he gave it away somehow, same with Lucas
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Postby Reg » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:09 am

Chuffed, right chuffed, great start to the season and to CL.

But the stats dont look good, if you believe them, we were played off the park.

http://www.skysports.com/footbal....00.html
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Postby GOAT_2.0 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:11 am

I was quite impressed with the quality of our attacking play in the first half but it all fell apart in the 2nd and we were left clinging on for dear life whilst they came at us constantly
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Postby stmichael » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:13 am

Reg wrote:Chuffed, right chuffed, great start to the season and to CL.

But the stats dont look good, if you believe them, we were played off the park.

http://www.skysports.com/footbal....00.html

couldn't give a monkeys about stats to be honest. it's about putting the ball in the back of the net at the end of the day.
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Postby Effes » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:23 am

Gerrard's goal was very similar to his one against Luton away in the 5-3 game, 2006.
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:02 am

Rush Job wrote:
crazyhorse wrote:Bit touch and go, but we came through.

Our zonal marking system was exposed by the pace of their forwards though.

Not sure I understand what you mean mate, our offside trap was beaten a couple of times but the zonal defence (from set pieces) looked ok, mainly due to Carra like.
Did you mean our back line/offside trap was exposed?

Good result, cant argue with a away win to kick us off, unlikely we`ll have to many problems now.
The team looked shattered to me, Macsh in particular was well of the pase and having Lucas next to him didnt help.
Babel had a good game IMO but to be fair their defence was all over the place.
Riera again showed the kind of touches we`ve been missing, Arberloa again looked like a weak link, almost costing us the points getting court the wrong side and giving a player a free header 5 yards out, which he really should have scored.

We deffo signed the wrong Cheyrou, that lad really looked a player, two good feet and was involved in everything good they did, maybe a cheaky 4/5mill bid in Jan,i reckon he could be the next Zidane  :D

Good post, mate.  I agree that we looked a bit tired out there tonight.  Masch, in particular, was rather subdued.  Torres looks well below his best at the moment as well...but that'll change soon.  I continue to like the look of Riera, I continue to be in two minds about Babel and I continue to be indifferent to Lucas.  I thought Marseille were a lively bunch tonight, Cheyrou was excellent and I thought Niang gave us all kinds of problems with his clever runs.  Still, we did what we needed to and got all three points...even if it required some heroics from Reina in the end.  Job done and let's focus on putting Stoke to the sword Saturday.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:03 am

GOAT_2.0 wrote:
aCe' wrote:i only watched the second half so im only going to comment on that...
Team performance - 2/10
Defense               - 4/10 we didnt concede in the 2nd half so..
Midfield (with kuyt)- 3/10 did very little to create chances or even pressure opponents higher up the pitch
Attack                 - 3/10 missed a few good chances ... nothing special all in all

Kuyt 0/10
lost every freaking ball he received i kept an eye on him and i think he only completed 2 or 3 passes, 1 of which was back to reina from the halfway line.. everything and i mean everything broke down when he got on the ball... awful second half and one of the worst iv seen of any player in a liverpool jersey in recent times

Babel missed a sitter that he should have converted but did okay overall.. like the fact that he's direct and can actually use his speed to help our counter attacks when on the ball . lost possession a few times when he could have done better !

Lucas and Mascherano were poor.. benayoun didnt do anything of note coming off the bench..
Riera looked very promising again; looked like he could make something happen out of nothing..

Arbeloa .. a couple of mistakes but one vital tackle , average overall... dossena looked poor again and hasnt done anything so far this season to suggest that hes anywhere near as good as Aurelio or Riise.

Reina... brilliant.. simply brilliant... man of the match for me with his 2nd half display

Torres, Gerrard, Keane didnt do anything in the 2nd half so cant really comment on how they played..

Shame that your only commenting on the 2nd half cos we were pretty good in the first

I certainly agree with the kuyt bit in the 2nd half though, I wanted to kill him, the 1 thing we needed to do was keep the ball and every time he touched it he gave it away somehow, same with Lucas

how dare you both criticise kuyt. dont you know we are only in the champions league group stages because of him


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Postby 112-1077774096 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:05 am

anyway to the game, we have looked quite decent the last two games, this is for one reason, rafa is allowing us to play football rather than stifle us, maybe he has finally realised that he has some talent at his disposal
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Postby SupitsJonF » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:09 am

I did like Babels performance but he should of scored.  Theres no excuses, and it definatly isn't goal keeping.  The goalie fell backwards and put his hand up, Babel had the near post and he went down the middle.  (Shitty stream, so if I'm wrong no need to flame, just point out.)
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Postby Reg » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:16 am

stmichael wrote:
Reg wrote:Chuffed, right chuffed, great start to the season and to CL.

But the stats dont look good, if you believe them, we were played off the park.

http://www.skysports.com/footbal....00.html

couldn't give a monkeys about stats to be honest. it's about putting the ball in the back of the net at the end of the day.

Waddaya mean? You leave it all to the goalie to save the team?

Possession means your controlling the game, if you're not then presumably.... the other team are and they're working their way down to your goal.

Come on St.M, thats a throw away line, you dont mean that.
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Postby maguskwt » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:34 am

bigmick wrote:Nah not been up long Nan, just munching me Cornflakes (which taste kind of different over here). Got knocked out of a Poker tournament last night with a baddish beat whist on the final table, mebbee that's me gripe :cool: But no, all is good and Spring is finally springing over here.

no comments on the 'styling' mick?  :D ... i thought rafa did a bit of 'styling' here...

the formation was very attack minded and narrow in the first half i thought... at first it was like the 4-2-3-1 we used last season with masch and lucas as DM's, Gerrard as AM and Babel and Kuyt as wingers... but then it seemed more like a 4-3-3 as babel and kuyt were literally playing up front with torres and not really as wingers... and gerrard came up very often too... they were switching sides left and right as well... pretty strange I thought and had my reservations because of the lack of structure in the formation... but it seemed to work to a certain extent as we were quite adventerous and were holding a high line at the defence. babel and kuyt did quite well in the first half interchanging passes and we were running and playing with pace and exploiting the spaces left by marseille's own pacey attacks. second half performance was forgettable... clearly rafa decided to preserve the lead... but I digress, this has to go down as 'styling' in your book...  :)

anyway to toffehaters reply on my comment on babel... yes I think babel is not a striker... because he had gilt-edged chances which HAD to be put away there's no doubt about it...peter crouch would've put them away... I remember him having MORE than 2 chances... one was early in the first half... kuyt gave him a good pass... he did very very well with his first touch turning the marseille defender and all of a sudden he was one on one with the keeper and the keeper was still behind... with the whole goal to choose from, what did he do? It seemed to me like he closed his eyes and whacked the ball so hard it went to the stands... another one is where later on in the second half reira attacked down the left and sent in a dangerous cross... benayoun and marseille defender went for the the ball and it spilt out to babel... alone close range he blasted the ball again... hitting the keeper... another one was also a goalmouthscramble... he could've slipped the ball under the keeper towards the near post but again he blasted the ball... IF you consider this as a striker's finishing, then i must say I don't like strikers who just try to blast the ball without an intent, I like strikers who finish the ball into the net intelligently like Torres or Owen. Not to say the rest of his performance was bad... but he still blows hot and cold for me... and I don't like the look of his finishing skills...
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Postby Festy » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:16 am

Man we can't keep playing Kuyt every fcuking time. The guy has no quality at all and again slowed down our attacks considerably yesterday.
and wtf did Lucas do ? Most distance covered in the match without even touching the ball ? I'm convinced he ain't Brazilian.
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