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by **66-1112520797** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:41 am

After the cold war, there is very little threat nowadays of the USA going to war with a country that would be able to contend in anyway with us in the air.

I definately wouldnt want to go to war with your lot, you shoot your allies out of the sky also.

by **andy_g** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:48 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:The UFO's are probably real, because you can search for some ancient artifacts online and you'd see pictures of unusual objects in the sky. I didn't believe this stuff until my friend had shown me a video of the Egyptian pyramids and it just blew my mind. There were some seriously advanced cultures before us here one earth, that's for sure.

If you click on this link, you'll see a hieroglyph from one of the pyramids. It's pretty creepy.

http://images.google.com/imgres?....rl=http

if you like that heiroglyphics one you'd love the books and proclamations of erich von daniken. since the 70s he's been trying to convince us that all sorts of shapes in egyptian, mayan, inca and other ancient art are depictions of space craft and alien 'gods'. its entertaining stuff but its almost certainly b*ll*c*ks.

having said that though, there are still interesting cases of ancient civilisations having advanced astronomical knowledge. the egyptians and mayans were incredibly sophisticated astronomers and the dogon of africa apparently knew about sirius b and the rings on saturn without the powerful telescopes needed to see them.

by **Sabre** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:17 pm

The mayas were very advanced. They had even batteries. Yes, batteries, big ones at that, made with boxes and vinegar, but still would light a lamp.

Their maths were advanced, as you can see in the link Andy puts

They had the "zero" in maths, which we only included very late in our maths, and it's quite an abstract concept.

You can always wonder aswell why Egyptian's pyramids instead of improving were worse copies as the centuries advanced, but to find alien reasons for it is too much. If the aliens helped them back then, they'd be helping us right now.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:12 am

Sabre wrote:The mayas were very advanced. They had even batteries. Yes, batteries, big ones at that, made with boxes and vinegar, but still would light a lamp.

Their maths were advanced, as you can see in the link Andy puts

They had the "zero" in maths, which we only included very late in our maths, and it's quite an abstract concept.

You can always wonder aswell why Egyptian's pyramids instead of improving were worse copies as the centuries advanced, but to find alien reasons for it is too much. If the aliens helped them back then, they'd be helping us right now.

Maybe the aliens didn't build the pyramids, but they were definitily made by a more advanced civilization than ours. I've watched a Russian documentary on Pyramids and it showed many secret areas of the pyramids and they were amazing. Who ever built those things had very advanced cutting technology that does not even exist today and what's interesting is that these machines cannot be found today. I just cant believe that a bunch of dumb slaves could built such sofisticated structures.

by **andy_g** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:53 am

what are you talking about??

they were made by a civilisation more advanced than ours? - hhhmmmm. for more than a million reasons i don't think so.

cutting technology that does not exist today? - of course we have the technology to precisely cut all sorts of materials to an incredibly precise degree, more so than existed in egypt a few thousand years ago.

a bunch of dumb slaves building the pyramids? - the slaves might not have been the most educated people around at the time but they didn't build the pyramids on their own. i think that some fairly sophisticated engineers and architects had something to do with it aswell.

its a shame when people let their amazement at the engineering, astronomical and mathematical sophistication of ancient civilisations get in the way of giving them the credit they deserve. its far too easy to deny the capabilities these peoples had and claim it must be the work of aliens instead.

by **mistyred** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:01 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Sabre wrote:The mayas were very advanced. They had even batteries. Yes, batteries, big ones at that, made with boxes and vinegar, but still would light a lamp.

Their maths were advanced, as you can see in the link Andy puts

They had the "zero" in maths, which we only included very late in our maths, and it's quite an abstract concept.

You can always wonder aswell why Egyptian's pyramids instead of improving were worse copies as the centuries advanced, but to find alien reasons for it is too much. If the aliens helped them back then, they'd be helping us right now.

Maybe the aliens didn't build the pyramids, but they were definitily made by a more advanced civilization than ours. I've watched a Russian documentary on Pyramids and it showed many secret areas of the pyramids and they were amazing. Who ever built those things had very advanced cutting technology that does not even exist today and what's interesting is that these machines cannot be found today. I just cant believe that a bunch of dumb slaves could built such sofisticated structures.

It has been proved that Paid labourers built the Pyramids and NOT "Dumb Slavers".

by **Sabre** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:24 am

Ruskiy the documentary perhaps tried to suggest precisely alien origin. I saw another documentary, in which they proved how they cut that kind of stone. With the tools they had they couldn't cut, but if they added sand, the crystals of the sand proved to be very effective to cut. They proved it with actual stones and showed it was a matter of patience.

Also it was given the project to current engineers and they even made a calculation of how much would cost to make a piramid like that nowadays -- months and a lot of millions.

by **LegBarnes** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:14 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxF3cn5UZQ4&feature=related

good listen parts 1 to 8 should be to the right.

Also this link for a radio call about a guy trying to tell his story and call gets cut off radio say no way it could have happened 1000 to 1 to be random they say it must have been goverment.

Note how scared this guy sounds he is sh.itting him self.

http://www.metatech.org/Art%20Bell%20Area%2051%20Call.mp3

also the page

http://www.metatech.org/Art_Bell_Area_51_aliens_audio_tape.html

This one more link to a great forum that is purely for those who want to know.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:19 am

andy_g wrote:what are you talking about??

they were made by a civilisation more advanced than ours? - hhhmmmm. for more than a million reasons i don't think so.

cutting technology that does not exist today? - of course we have the technology to precisely cut all sorts of materials to an incredibly precise degree, more so than existed in egypt a few thousand years ago.

a bunch of dumb slaves building the pyramids? - the slaves might not have been the most educated people around at the time but they didn't build the pyramids on their own. i think that some fairly sophisticated engineers and architects had something to do with it aswell.

its a shame when people let their amazement at the engineering, astronomical and mathematical sophistication of ancient civilisations get in the way of giving them the credit they deserve. its far too easy to deny the capabilities these peoples had and claim it must be the work of aliens instead.

Well if you had actually studied the pyramids you'd find out that some of the huge stones that they have there, were taken from quarries over 500 miles away! Also some of these huge stones would be impossible to move, with most of the cranes that we have today. I'm not saying that they were built by Aliens, but I'm just saying that if the Egyptians could build these highly sophisticated structures, then they could create better living structures, better transportation and better weaponry. I mean if they had such great mathematicians and engineers, then surely they could think of something better than a chariot or a bow.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:46 am

Sabre wrote:Ruskiy the documentary perhaps tried to suggest precisely alien origin. I saw another documentary, in which they proved how they cut that kind of stone. With the tools they had they couldn't cut, but if they added sand, the crystals of the sand proved to be very effective to cut. They proved it with actual stones and showed it was a matter of patience.

Also it was given the project to current engineers and they even made a calculation of how much would cost to make a piramid like that nowadays -- months and a lot of millions.

The documentary that I saw, suggested that a very advanced civilization built these things. Some of the evidence that they have shown was really unbelievable. The team even bribed some of the guards and they went into restricted areas of the pyramid that were off limits to the public. There were just some really weird things inside, for example in a certain scene the crew said that when they entered into one room, they felt like their energy was being severely drained from them. Their conclusion is that the pyramids were some sort of a landing sites for flying ships and they had some good evidence to back it up.

My theory is that the pyramids were made by an advanced civilization but they disappeared for some unknown reason and then the Egyptians just stumbled on to these things later on and made it their home.

by **andy_g** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:20 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
andy_g wrote:what are you talking about??

they were made by a civilisation more advanced than ours? - hhhmmmm. for more than a million reasons i don't think so.

cutting technology that does not exist today? - of course we have the technology to precisely cut all sorts of materials to an incredibly precise degree, more so than existed in egypt a few thousand years ago.

a bunch of dumb slaves building the pyramids? - the slaves might not have been the most educated people around at the time but they didn't build the pyramids on their own. i think that some fairly sophisticated engineers and architects had something to do with it aswell.

its a shame when people let their amazement at the engineering, astronomical and mathematical sophistication of ancient civilisations get in the way of giving them the credit they deserve. its far too easy to deny the capabilities these peoples had and claim it must be the work of aliens instead.

Well if you had actually studied the pyramids you'd find out that some of the huge stones that they have there, were taken from quarries over 500 miles away! Also some of these huge stones would be impossible to move, with most of the cranes that we have today. I'm not saying that they were built by Aliens, but I'm just saying that if the Egyptians could build these highly sophisticated structures, then they could create better living structures, better transportation and better weaponry. I mean if they had such great mathematicians and engineers, then surely they could think of something better than a chariot or a bow.

yes, and the stones for stonehenge were brought from quarries in wales which were nearly 200 miles away. it has been proved over and over again that with the simple application of rollers and sufficient man power enormous blocks of stone can be moved over great distances. earth ramps and simple levers can then be used to manipulate the stones on site to any position necessary.

just because they were talented stone masons doesn't mean that they also have to be able to develop transport and weaponry as well. they are all very different technologies. however, the main mode of transport for the egyptians was by boat or ship as the majority of the population lived along the banks of the nile. the egyptians were pretty sophisticated ship builders and navigators.

as far as weaponry is concerned it didn't get much better than a bow and arrow anywhere for a couple of thousand years and was a pretty devastating weapon in the right hands. the chinese had gunpowder and could build simple projectiles but they were pretty much alone in that.

by **andy_g** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:26 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Sabre wrote:Ruskiy the documentary perhaps tried to suggest precisely alien origin. I saw another documentary, in which they proved how they cut that kind of stone. With the tools they had they couldn't cut, but if they added sand, the crystals of the sand proved to be very effective to cut. They proved it with actual stones and showed it was a matter of patience.

Also it was given the project to current engineers and they even made a calculation of how much would cost to make a piramid like that nowadays -- months and a lot of millions.

The documentary that I saw, suggested that a very advanced civilization built these things. Some of the evidence that they have shown was really unbelievable. The team even bribed some of the guards and they went into restricted areas of the pyramid that were off limits to the public. There were just some really weird things inside, for example in a certain scene the crew said that when they entered into one room, they felt like their energy was being severely drained from them. Their conclusion is that the pyramids were some sort of a landing sites for flying ships and they had some good evidence to back it up.

My theory is that the pyramids were made by an advanced civilization but they disappeared for some unknown reason and then the Egyptians just stumbled on to these things later on and made it their home.

i'd love to hear the evidence these guys have. a site which drains energy doesn't sound like the best place to be flying space ships around to me. did they also explain why the egyptian kings were buried in the equivalent of an airport?

there is enough amazing technology going on around the pyramids that anyone that really wants to find support for their theories about alien visitors will find it, just as they will find it in the history of the maya, the dogon and many others. doesn't mean its true though.

where did the egyptians come from that stumbled across the pyramids in your theory? its a shame that people can't just acknowledge the fact that some ancient human civilisations were capable of some quite astounding accomplishments.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:47 am

It does make you wonder how intelligent the ancients really were though. I always used to think that we were far superior in intelligence and that over the ages we had advanced significantly, but now I am not so sure. I am pretty sure if I went back in time no one would mistake me for a genius anyway

While we have better education and the benefit of 1000's of different inventions, would we be much different intellectually ?

by **andy_g** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:01 am

s@int wrote:It does make you wonder how intelligent the ancients really were though. I always used to think that we were far superior in intelligence and that over the ages we had advanced significantly, but now I am not so sure. I am pretty sure if I went back in time no one would mistake me for a genius anyway

While we have better education and the benefit of 1000's of different inventions, would we be much different intellectually ?

the difference intellectually would be that nowadays more people know about more things. in the ancient society the scientific and technological knowledge was pretty much reserved for the higher echelons of society. so there's a fair chance you'd have been a stand out character and accepted as a priest or a king, saint...

either that or burnt to death as a witch.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:08 am

Yeah I understand that, but would there be any significant difference in intelligence between say a pre school child of today and a similar aged child from 10,000 years ago? Or would the only differences be what they had been taught or learned.

In other words have we actually advanced as a species rather than just learned a few tricks?

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