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by **bigmick** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:44 pm

Couple of things here. Firstly, Sami is hardly kicking off in the press, so I would hesitate to have much on the grounds of "dirty linen in public" over this. He's just a bit gutted and you wouldn't expect any different. Similarly, on the "well he should have told Sami in the window" argument, I'm not sure I'd disagree with Rafa's stance either. Firstly, there is always the chance that Sami would have fecked off, and secondly it would have been hard for the manager to know for sure what the score with Agger was.

I'm all for being a nice bloke, looking the player in the eye, speaking from the heart and all that old b0ll0cks but on this occasion, I think the manager played it just about the only way he could. Sami will get over it, and during the course of the season while he's doing so he'll bank a couple of million quid so there's no real harm done here.

The bit that concerns me much more (although I'm not massively "concerned" about the Champions League) is that going in with three centre halves looks a bit reckless. One injury, one dodgy sending off and we could be in strife. That said, it's only the group stages anyway and progression ought to be an absolute formality, and will be.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:05 pm

I think the most significant thing about this latest problem with Hyypia is....... it seems that all the senior players are having a bit of a moan .... Gerrard about his position....... Carra about rotation and Hyypia about what boils down to a lack of openness or even honesty. Then there is the problem of Alonso and Finnan not being told they are available.

Once players start to moan openly about their managers decisions it usually means the managers on his way out....... or they think they will be!

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:15 pm

Sami can use the extra time he now has to get his biography written !

by **Number 9** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:41 pm

Kharhaz wrote:Sami can use the extra time he now has to get his biography written !

He already done one mate about 5 years ago!
You can get it for about£1.50 in Bargain Books!

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:21 am

Number 9 wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Sami can use the extra time he now has to get his biography written !

He already done one mate about 5 years ago!
You can get it for about£1.50 in Bargain Books!

Bloody hell, Plessis will be next on the shelf !

As far as him not being included in the champs league is concerned, I can see why he is upset. Of all the players he is one of the most experienced in the competition so its a bit of a surprise to not see him included.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:34 am

s@int wrote:I think the most significant thing about this latest problem with Hyypia is....... it seems that all the senior players are having a bit of a moan .... Gerrard about his position....... Carra about rotation and Hyypia about what boils down to a lack of openness or even honesty. Then there is the problem of Alonso and Finnan not being told they are available.

Once players start to moan openly about their managers decisions it usually means the managers on his way out....... or they think they will be!

To be honest I think that this could be Rafa's last season in charge. I just think that all this :censored:

from the owners and the pressure of winning the league will drive him out of the job.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:34 am

s@int wrote:I think the most significant thing about this latest problem with Hyypia is....... it seems that all the senior players are having a bit of a moan .... Gerrard about his position....... Carra about rotation and Hyypia about what boils down to a lack of openness or even honesty. Then there is the problem of Alonso and Finnan not being told they are available.

Once players start to moan openly about their managers decisions it usually means the managers on his way out....... or they think they will be!

That's my worry...no smoke without a fire and all that. :nod

by **aCe'** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:43 am

if new owners come in im pretty sure rafa will be out in a heartbeat... i mean seriously.. with his trasfer record with liverpool so far, would you want rafa to be the one spending tons of money on new players ?
id say hell no. look at the money he's spent and the improvement on the squad... and before you start banging on about individuals look at the performances and the improvements in the league, CL, cups,,,etc
now im not sayin Rafa is a bad manager or anything, im just saying he's fckin sht when it comes to bringing in players... and hey, i know he brought in masherano, torres...etc but whos to say any other manager we would have had instead of him wouldnt have brought the same, or better players given the same money ?!
tick tack

by **puroresu** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:49 am

aCe' wrote:if new owners come in im pretty sure rafa will be out in a heartbeat... i mean seriously.. with his trasfer record with liverpool so far, would you want rafa to be the one spending tons of money on new players ?
id say hell no. look at the money he's spent and the improvement on the squad... and before you start banging on about individuals look at the performances and the improvements in the league, CL, cups,,,etc
now im not sayin Rafa is a bad manager or anything, im just saying he's fckin sht when it comes to bringing in players... and hey, i know he brought in masherano, torres...etc but whos to say any other manager we would have had instead of him wouldnt have brought the same, or better players given the same money ?!
tick tack

i would hope with a takeover a new manager was brought in as well. Even with £100 mil I still aint convinced Rafa would get the right players. I tend to think Rafa would try and make messi some workhorse if we had him.

by **aCe'** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:13 am

puroresu wrote:
aCe' wrote:if new owners come in im pretty sure rafa will be out in a heartbeat... i mean seriously.. with his trasfer record with liverpool so far, would you want rafa to be the one spending tons of money on new players ?
id say hell no. look at the money he's spent and the improvement on the squad... and before you start banging on about individuals look at the performances and the improvements in the league, CL, cups,,,etc
now im not sayin Rafa is a bad manager or anything, im just saying he's fckin sht when it comes to bringing in players... and hey, i know he brought in masherano, torres...etc but whos to say any other manager we would have had instead of him wouldnt have brought the same, or better players given the same money ?!
tick tack

i would hope with a takeover a new manager was brought in as well. Even with £100 mil I still aint convinced Rafa would get the right players. I tend to think Rafa would try and make messi some workhorse if we had him.

hehe yea...
funny thing is i agree...
to a large extent im starting to believe that its not just that some of the players he brings in arent good enough, its also the fact that he plays them out of position, doesnt allow them to do what they do best, expects them to be able to do things that theyv never tried before...etc etc
Just cant help but think that many players we had and no longer have now can go on to perform much much better under others managers who decide to play them in their position or simply decide to play them week in week out (crouch, cisse, pennant (eventually)...etc)

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:25 am

funny thing is i agree...
to a large extent im starting to believe that its not just that some of the players he brings in arent good enough, its also the fact that he plays them out of position, doesnt allow them to do what they do best, expects them to be able to do things that theyv never tried before...etc etc

Acually the players he brings in have played in the "out of position" place before. I think the fault rafa has is he tends to look at the worst position those players have played in and picks them for it in a way of saying "you will improve there !".

Skrtel, masha and torres havent been played out of position, and those are our regular good performers. Also they are known for there one position, the rest of the players, in one way or another have performed other roles.

by **Espionage** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:29 am

Kharhaz wrote:
funny thing is i agree...
to a large extent im starting to believe that its not just that some of the players he brings in arent good enough, its also the fact that he plays them out of position, doesnt allow them to do what they do best, expects them to be able to do things that theyv never tried before...etc etc

Acually the players he brings in have played in the "out of position" place before. I think the fault rafa has is he tends to look at the worst position those players have played in and picks them for it in a way of saying "you will improve there !".

Skrtel, masha and torres havent been played out of position, and those are our regular good performers. Also they are known for there one position, the rest of the players, in one way or another have performed other roles.

Not really fair there mate.

"You will improve there" is putting words in his mouth and I think an unfounded interpretation of what he has been doing. And also its more logical to think that the reason why Skrtel, Masch and Torres have stayed in their respective positions either because they are the best in the world at it or cant really play anywhere else. Not, they dont get rotated; therefore, that is the reason why they are good.

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:34 am

aCe' wrote:if new owners come in im pretty sure rafa will be out in a heartbeat... i mean seriously.. with his trasfer record with liverpool so far, would you want rafa to be the one spending tons of money on new players ?
id say hell no. look at the money he's spent and the improvement on the squad... and before you start banging on about individuals look at the performances and the improvements in the league, CL, cups,,,etc
now im not sayin Rafa is a bad manager or anything, im just saying he's fckin sht when it comes to bringing in players... and hey, i know he brought in masherano, torres...etc but whos to say any other manager we would have had instead of him wouldnt have brought the same, or better players given the same money ?!
tick tack

Transfer record ? is it really as bad as people make out ? how many really true expensive flops has Rafa brought in compared to other managers ?

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:06 am

why does it have to be expensive flops, what about the flops he brought in and wasted salaries on

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:19 am

peewee wrote:why does it have to be expensive flops, what about the flops he brought in and wasted salaries on

Ok then who are the flops ? and i mean players that didnt contribute in anywya to the team and were a hinderance when played and didnt help the team or squad in any positive way ?

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