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by **Emerald Red** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:53 pm

The_Rock wrote:Excuses coming in already.......

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news....cc=3888

Benitez expresses fears about the new City

Rafael Benitez has admitted that Manchester City are a threat to the status quo of the Premier League's big four and could cause high inflation in the transfer market.

For Benitez, the stunning capture of Robinho for a British record transfer fee could have set in motion a chain of events that will blow the accepted 'big four' wide open.

'You cannot just win the title by spending money but Chelsea won for two years spending big, big money. Afterwards Manchester United won spending lots of money too,' he said.

'If we are talking about spending money then maybe Manchester City will win the title this year.

'It is not just a question of money but if you have more money it is easier. If you don't have too much money, you must do the job as best you can.

'If we are talking now, maybe they (City) need time but if we talk in January maybe they will buy five players...then you never know.

'But it is not just a question of 'I will invest more and I will win'. You cannot guarantee anything.'

Benitez fears a hike in transfer fees involving English clubs as a result of City's cash bonanza as happened when Roman Abramovich took over Chelsea in 2003.

'Prices could rise,' said Benitez as he unveiled £8million signing Albert Riera, himself a former City player.

'That could be a problem. You cannot change these things but you try and get the players you want as cheap as possible, even when prices go higher.'

Excuses for what? There's nothing but truth in what he's saying. Some people will use anything to get a sly dig in. I've had to bite my tongue typing this post and be as pleasant as possible. Really starting to get on my nerves now, every f*cking thread you go into, it's the same bollox.

by **Alonso14** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:59 pm

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:06 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Excuses coming in already.......

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news....cc=3888

Benitez expresses fears about the new City

Rafael Benitez has admitted that Manchester City are a threat to the status quo of the Premier League's big four and could cause high inflation in the transfer market.

For Benitez, the stunning capture of Robinho for a British record transfer fee could have set in motion a chain of events that will blow the accepted 'big four' wide open.

'You cannot just win the title by spending money but Chelsea won for two years spending big, big money. Afterwards Manchester United won spending lots of money too,' he said.

'If we are talking about spending money then maybe Manchester City will win the title this year.

'It is not just a question of money but if you have more money it is easier. If you don't have too much money, you must do the job as best you can.

'If we are talking now, maybe they (City) need time but if we talk in January maybe they will buy five players...then you never know.

'But it is not just a question of 'I will invest more and I will win'. You cannot guarantee anything.'

Benitez fears a hike in transfer fees involving English clubs as a result of City's cash bonanza as happened when Roman Abramovich took over Chelsea in 2003.

'Prices could rise,' said Benitez as he unveiled £8million signing Albert Riera, himself a former City player.

'That could be a problem. You cannot change these things but you try and get the players you want as cheap as possible, even when prices go higher.'

Excuses for what? There's nothing but truth in what he's saying. Some people will use anything to get a sly dig in. I've had to bite my tongue typing this post and be as pleasant as possible. Really starting to get on my nerves now, every f*cking thread you go into, it's the same bollox.

Don't rise to it mate. It'll be the same old drivel about "knowing your role" from a 30 year old virgin across the Atlantic, who's closest encounter to a football match was when he rummaged through a rubbish bin and ate a sock.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:12 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Excuses coming in already.......

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news....cc=3888

Benitez expresses fears about the new City

Rafael Benitez has admitted that Manchester City are a threat to the status quo of the Premier League's big four and could cause high inflation in the transfer market.

For Benitez, the stunning capture of Robinho for a British record transfer fee could have set in motion a chain of events that will blow the accepted 'big four' wide open.

'You cannot just win the title by spending money but Chelsea won for two years spending big, big money. Afterwards Manchester United won spending lots of money too,' he said.

'If we are talking about spending money then maybe Manchester City will win the title this year.

'It is not just a question of money but if you have more money it is easier. If you don't have too much money, you must do the job as best you can.

'If we are talking now, maybe they (City) need time but if we talk in January maybe they will buy five players...then you never know.

'But it is not just a question of 'I will invest more and I will win'. You cannot guarantee anything.'

Benitez fears a hike in transfer fees involving English clubs as a result of City's cash bonanza as happened when Roman Abramovich took over Chelsea in 2003.

'Prices could rise,' said Benitez as he unveiled £8million signing Albert Riera, himself a former City player.

'That could be a problem. You cannot change these things but you try and get the players you want as cheap as possible, even when prices go higher.'

Excuses for what? There's nothing but truth in what he's saying. Some people will use anything to get a sly dig in. I've had to bite my tongue typing this post and be as pleasant as possible. Really starting to get on my nerves now, every f*cking thread you go into, it's the same bollox.

Try not to take it to heart mate, just as you get annoyed at all the doom and gloom posters, I am sure they get equally frustrated that you appear to brush aside all their worries and the problems that they have with the team and Rafa.

Personally I try to see both sides, but I have no doubt been tempted to the darkside in recent times.

I don't believe you don't see all the problems just as clearly as anyone, just as us "darksiders" appreciate that not all is lost and there is still the chance that this season could turn into a great one.

Its just opinions mate , some people would rather talk about what we are doing wrong, others what we are doing right. Its just that the darksiders have a lot more to talk about at the moment!

Take both sides with a pinch of salt and don't let it get you down mate.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:45 pm

s@int wrote:..

Personally I try to see both sides, but I have no doubt been tempted to the darkside in recent times.

Its just that the darksiders have a lot more to talk about at the moment!

.

The dark side you sound like your joining a cult Saint :laugh:

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:31 pm

s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Excuses coming in already.......

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news....cc=3888

Benitez expresses fears about the new City

Rafael Benitez has admitted that Manchester City are a threat to the status quo of the Premier League's big four and could cause high inflation in the transfer market.

For Benitez, the stunning capture of Robinho for a British record transfer fee could have set in motion a chain of events that will blow the accepted 'big four' wide open.

'You cannot just win the title by spending money but Chelsea won for two years spending big, big money. Afterwards Manchester United won spending lots of money too,' he said.

'If we are talking about spending money then maybe Manchester City will win the title this year.

'It is not just a question of money but if you have more money it is easier. If you don't have too much money, you must do the job as best you can.

'If we are talking now, maybe they (City) need time but if we talk in January maybe they will buy five players...then you never know.

'But it is not just a question of 'I will invest more and I will win'. You cannot guarantee anything.'

Benitez fears a hike in transfer fees involving English clubs as a result of City's cash bonanza as happened when Roman Abramovich took over Chelsea in 2003.

'Prices could rise,' said Benitez as he unveiled £8million signing Albert Riera, himself a former City player.

'That could be a problem. You cannot change these things but you try and get the players you want as cheap as possible, even when prices go higher.'

Excuses for what? There's nothing but truth in what he's saying. Some people will use anything to get a sly dig in. I've had to bite my tongue typing this post and be as pleasant as possible. Really starting to get on my nerves now, every f*cking thread you go into, it's the same bollox.

Try not to take it to heart mate, just as you get annoyed at all the doom and gloom posters, I am sure they get equally frustrated that you appear to brush aside all their worries and the problems that they have with the team and Rafa.

Personally I try to see both sides, but I have no doubt been tempted to the darkside in recent times.

I don't believe you don't see all the problems just as clearly as anyone, just as us "darksiders" appreciate that not all is lost and there is still the chance that this season could turn into a great one.

Its just opinions mate , some people would rather talk about what we are doing wrong, others what we are doing right. Its just that the darksiders have a lot more to talk about at the moment!

Take both sides with a pinch of salt and don't let it get you down mate.

Always the voice of reason, S@int. The point is, however, that this season is still young, and we are sitting top of the table - or joint top at least without really playing as well as we could be. All the moaning I'm reading is totally unjustified so far IMO. It's mostly grasping at straws and knee-jerk reactions just for the slightest excuse to have a dig. These kind of ramblings would be more justified if we had lost two games, or drawn all three. If this is to be Benitez' last season, then it should at least be one where he is given as much support as possible simply out of the respect of what he has given us, and for the respect he has shown us.
Rafa believes in this club. And he believes in it's fans. If he was a quitter, he'd have f*cked off long ago due to the disgraceful treatment he's received over the last year or so from three of the biggest vermin ever to grace the club's doorstep.

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:49 pm

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by **tubby** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:21 pm

Oh how I wish Rafa could just have 85Mil to splash on whoever he wants. Every time I see his face in a press conference he seems like he is growing more and more tired with every day. It's only the fans affection for him what is keeping him here. Lets hope the club can make his ife easier by giving him more to spend in the future. For all the stick I give him I do not want to see Rafa turn into a hate figure the way Houllier did in his last year or 2.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:16 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:when he rummaged through a rubbish bin and ate a sock.

FFS Lando where do you think up these sayings :laugh:

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:24 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:..

Personally I try to see both sides, but I have no doubt been tempted to the darkside in recent times.

Its just that the darksiders have a lot more to talk about at the moment!

.

The dark side you sound like your joining a cult Saint

I get sick of being a doom and gloomer so I thought I would add a little glamour to the role.

I also wanted to wear a costume like Bigmicks (I still think his vibrator is a little long mind you

)

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:57 pm

I dont think rafa is to blame for everything, although I have had several toilet moments and many heart attacks through matches that rafa is to blame !

There are a whole host of problems with the club of the pitch so nothing I say here will be new. But on the pitch, yes I think rafa helds responsibilty. Ive been trying to put my finger on what it is. Ive mentioned about what goes on in training and mentioned hiring a respected LFC legend as an attacking coach but ive also remembered how rafa goes about the opposition. Now most clubs have the opposition watched and recorded by scouts then the manager watches again and makes notes. However, rafa goes that extra mile. He analyses everything. Passes completed, shots on goal, how the players move during matches and goes that extra mile to ensure he has everything covered. Then he has to choose the players, and what the players are going to do. Once he chooses the players they each are given specific tasks.

And its this that could be the problem. Not IS but COULD. The players are concentratring so much on rafas instructions they confuse themself during matches, there not known to be geniuses these players are they? For me it would explain a part of why he makes bizarre choices at times. He over analyses. He considers every part of the opposition rather than just pick a strong 11 to start with and tell them how we are going to cause problems for the opposition and play our own game, rather than lets concentrate on everything they do then react to that by moving this player here then this player here, ball goes here. Its something that works very well in european games but not so good in the premiership.

by **112-1077774096** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:04 am

GYBS wrote:Good response well done

you tell me you are bored reading my "negative" responses, now you criticise me for not responding when you know it will be negative. make your mind up

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:13 am

Emerald Red wrote:Always the voice of reason, S@int. The point is, however, that this season is still young, and we are sitting top of the table - or joint top at least without really playing as well as we could be. All the moaning I'm reading is totally unjustified so far IMO. It's mostly grasping at straws and knee-jerk reactions just for the slightest excuse to have a dig. These kind of ramblings would be more justified if we had lost two games, or drawn all three. If this is to be Benitez' last season, then it should at least be one where he is given as much support as possible simply out of the respect of what he has given us, and for the respect he has shown us.
Rafa believes in this club. And he believes in it's fans. If he was a quitter, he'd have f*cked off long ago due to the disgraceful treatment he's received over the last year or so from three of the biggest vermin ever to grace the club's doorstep.

I think the problem for a lot of doom and gloomers is we are still recovering from last season....... I know I am. Last season was the first season for years where I really thought we were good enough....... I really thought we had the team to make a strong challenge for the title last season, when we fell away and I finally admitted to myself after the Wigan game that our challenge was as good as over, I admit I lost faith in Rafa and his methods.

I just think we all have to be a little more patient with each other, we doom and gloomers need to stop moaning and groaning as much and try to see how the season plays out before castigating Rafa and the players. While you happy clappers need to admit that not everything is perfect, Rafa actually does make the occasion error, and that maybe one or two of our first team players arn't world class.

I think the game against the mancs could be a real turning point this season. A win against them and I think the doubts will subside and a little belief will gradually return to us doom and gloomers..... a defeat and maybe we doom and gloomers will be able to raise the membership fee as our numbers double.

I find it worrying that we seem to be making the same errors this season as cost us dearly last season. While you can take comfort from the fact that it hasn't cost us dearly this season.......yet!

by **hishhish** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:46 am

I wouldn't classify Rafa's comments as "excuses". but i would say the transfer market for Liverpool just got a lot more difficult. LFC were having a hard time making the sound financial choices with acquisions previously, now I fear those financial choices are not going to justify more purchases.
SO, in an over inflated transfer market, with a credit crunch with at least another year into it, and with owners who quite isolated from the supporters, I fear LFC will end up having to buy third choice options (unlike having to buy second choice options, which we seem to be doing).
If that is truely the case, I think the writing is on the wall, we will lose the label of "top 4" and it would be hard to retain it.

by **bigmick** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:18 am

The market was hard, and it gets harder there's no argument. There has to be a point though, and we're actually cottoning onto now albeit three or four years after we should have, that when you are financially outgunned the answer is to go for a smaller squad not a bigger one. When resources are tight and you only have 108 million to spend in a fourteen month period, you buy less but you buy big. You don't feck around with the Yossi Benayouns of this World, the Pennants, the Riera's, you go in hard and buy as big as you can afford. If the player is wavering as he's bneen offered more money to go elsewhere or it's a so-called "bigger" club, tell him you are going to play him in the vast majority of games if his form holds up.

Read Carras interview. People want to play. Cut down the squad size and concentrate the cash. You know it makes sense.

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