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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:09 pm

GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:Ok then let me rephrase it for you - how many of those players would want to come to us ? and how do you know they would of improved us . Mc geady shines in the scottish league - well done - how many players have come down and done well lately ? deco would only of ever gone to chelsea , nasri arsenal , dos santos is doing nothing at the moment and would barce really let him go if he was going to be a special talent ? doubtful . modric was around 16 mil to play in the centre of the park ? who do we replace gerrard or masher or xabi ? its also a matter of being able to afford them and them fitting into the team . bently was 20 mil was it ? arshavin 20 mil plus and you want to spend that based on uefa cup and two decent games in the euros ? yeah sorin is old with no pace and you expect him to be able to cope in the prem when he couldnt cope in serie A when he was at lazio . Martins would cost us 15 mil and blows hot and cold . Owen - well lets not go there . Saviola has done nothing for years and there is a reason he was rotting away in madrids reserves - ie not good enough . Chelsea would never of sold SWP to us in a million years unless we paid 15 mil for him as well.

mate, they werent looking in our direction simply because we didnt show any interest in them. if we did perhaps if could be different. its all about possibilities

besides, whatever happened to our interest in players like simao, aimar, etc? there are good and better players out there for the taking compared to what we have. i just find rafa stubborn. he should shave. its bad luck that goatee.

maybe no interest in them was shown cause the manager either thought 1. they arent good enough 2. they were too expensive 3. no chance of signing them 4. too old an dnot suited to the prem

With simao Benfica put the price up and last summer he went to madrid for 19 mil euros so he would now prob cost us around 20 mil quid and aimar is old and rafa doesnt seem to rate him as never played him for valencia .

he wanted players like silva (couldnt afford him ) villa (same again ) barry ( same again ) alves(same again ) - do you get the trend . he wants better players as his number one targets just cant afford them .

sure. keane was cheap. dosenna is good enough. and pellegrino wasnt old.

and if im not mistaken, liverpool didnt wanna meet villa's asking price. if it was too ex we wouldnt have been able to buy keane for more.

by **faldo** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:10 pm

rafa like to move people on pretty quick. so i ask myself what would rafa do if he was in charge of the club and somebody else was manager signing the same players and making the same decisions....would rafa give this guy time and plenty of money.

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:16 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:Ok then let me rephrase it for you - how many of those players would want to come to us ? and how do you know they would of improved us . Mc geady shines in the scottish league - well done - how many players have come down and done well lately ? deco would only of ever gone to chelsea , nasri arsenal , dos santos is doing nothing at the moment and would barce really let him go if he was going to be a special talent ? doubtful . modric was around 16 mil to play in the centre of the park ? who do we replace gerrard or masher or xabi ? its also a matter of being able to afford them and them fitting into the team . bently was 20 mil was it ? arshavin 20 mil plus and you want to spend that based on uefa cup and two decent games in the euros ? yeah sorin is old with no pace and you expect him to be able to cope in the prem when he couldnt cope in serie A when he was at lazio . Martins would cost us 15 mil and blows hot and cold . Owen - well lets not go there . Saviola has done nothing for years and there is a reason he was rotting away in madrids reserves - ie not good enough . Chelsea would never of sold SWP to us in a million years unless we paid 15 mil for him as well.

mate, they werent looking in our direction simply because we didnt show any interest in them. if we did perhaps if could be different. its all about possibilities

besides, whatever happened to our interest in players like simao, aimar, etc? there are good and better players out there for the taking compared to what we have. i just find rafa stubborn. he should shave. its bad luck that goatee.

maybe no interest in them was shown cause the manager either thought 1. they arent good enough 2. they were too expensive 3. no chance of signing them 4. too old an dnot suited to the prem

With simao Benfica put the price up and last summer he went to madrid for 19 mil euros so he would now prob cost us around 20 mil quid and aimar is old and rafa doesnt seem to rate him as never played him for valencia .

he wanted players like silva (couldnt afford him ) villa (same again ) barry ( same again ) alves(same again ) - do you get the trend . he wants better players as his number one targets just cant afford them .

sure. keane was cheap. dosenna is good enough. and pellegrino wasnt old.

and if im not mistaken, liverpool didnt wanna meet villa's asking price. if it was too ex we wouldnt have been able to buy keane for more.

Keane is proven in the prem and villa would of cost us 30 mil plus - in fact valencia turned down 40 mil bid yesterday from madrid for him .

you have no idea what dossena will be like for us as he has played 3 games so far and is new to the league

and pellegrino arrived for a reason more than just playing ie helping players like sami and carra understand the zonal marking system and sami , carra and rafa have already stated how important to the team he was when he wa shere - both in learning the zonal marking and enabling sami to keep fresh for the cl .

by **dawson99** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:23 pm

feck it, arsenal aint got money, and they aint sh!tting it, lets grow some balls and just go out and win some games

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:26 pm

Arsenal supposedly got :censored:

loads of money - think there profits last year were massive - just wenger choosing not to spend it apaprently .

by **faldo** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:30 pm

i thought somebody came out the other day to say arsene can spend if he wants, but he has chosen not to.

by **dawson99** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:30 pm

no, they have to pay back a certain amount every year. they have money, most expensive tickets in prem, but they owe big time!

scary times tho

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:33 pm

pay back what and to who ? didnt they build the stadium on the money they made from selling highbury and flats that are built there and didnt need to take any loans out ?

and yeah faldo wenger been told he can spend anything he wants on any player he wants - just decided he doesnt need anyone .

by **taff** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:38 pm

Instead of comparing Rafa to wenger we should compare Arsenal fans to us. We should be happy with progress but winning nothing instead of being obsessed about the league and trophies

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:42 pm

What I see that Liverpool have 2 main problem ;

1) The 2 Owners : We can't say that the 2 owner don't have money, yes we do have money but they are wisely knows that Rafa "might" buy wrong players at the wrong price , or manage to buy the player but play him at the wrong positions.

My View : The 2 owners need to go because they have put the club in deep debt. Hope DIC will come.

2) The Manager "RAFA" : During the game is the manager who played the game and the players have to "follow" his moves, tactic and "command". We can have the best player to play for Liverpool but it's the Manager will decide where his playing.

My View : If Rafa keeping playing like the last 3 matches, where we almost lose the matches, we got the goals last 10 mins of the game, Players playing at the wrong positions and players that are capable playing in that position were not giving chance. Then I say sorry he have to go.

Bottomline : To change the Manager is much more easier than to change the Owner. If 6 month later Rafa keeping playing what he's belived and it didn't turn out to be good , then DIC came to bid Liverpool and they became new owners but it's too late then . With now MAN CITY with big money they might end-up in the last 4 and we are not one of them.

Rafa already with us for 5 years already and now it's still early of the season and it's not too late. Give 6M to Rafa replace him, get a better manager ( I can think of Guus Hiddink with his good profile and hope MAN city didn't get him ), he still have time to "gel-up" the team which will be facing MAN C.UNT. If he manage well and in 6 months from now, DIC will come in ( I hope so ). We still will be in CL next season.

by **faldo** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:50 pm

i heard tim vickory the south american football expert,say on the radio that vitor flora has no name in brazil,and that he is not coming from the well known botafogo but a different botafogo in the 2nd division.....you do have to wonder whats going on with our scouts

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:13 pm

GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:Ok then let me rephrase it for you - how many of those players would want to come to us ? and how do you know they would of improved us . Mc geady shines in the scottish league - well done - how many players have come down and done well lately ? deco would only of ever gone to chelsea , nasri arsenal , dos santos is doing nothing at the moment and would barce really let him go if he was going to be a special talent ? doubtful . modric was around 16 mil to play in the centre of the park ? who do we replace gerrard or masher or xabi ? its also a matter of being able to afford them and them fitting into the team . bently was 20 mil was it ? arshavin 20 mil plus and you want to spend that based on uefa cup and two decent games in the euros ? yeah sorin is old with no pace and you expect him to be able to cope in the prem when he couldnt cope in serie A when he was at lazio . Martins would cost us 15 mil and blows hot and cold . Owen - well lets not go there . Saviola has done nothing for years and there is a reason he was rotting away in madrids reserves - ie not good enough . Chelsea would never of sold SWP to us in a million years unless we paid 15 mil for him as well.

mate, they werent looking in our direction simply because we didnt show any interest in them. if we did perhaps if could be different. its all about possibilities

besides, whatever happened to our interest in players like simao, aimar, etc? there are good and better players out there for the taking compared to what we have. i just find rafa stubborn. he should shave. its bad luck that goatee.

maybe no interest in them was shown cause the manager either thought 1. they arent good enough 2. they were too expensive 3. no chance of signing them 4. too old an dnot suited to the prem

With simao Benfica put the price up and last summer he went to madrid for 19 mil euros so he would now prob cost us around 20 mil quid and aimar is old and rafa doesnt seem to rate him as never played him for valencia .

he wanted players like silva (couldnt afford him ) villa (same again ) barry ( same again ) alves(same again ) - do you get the trend . he wants better players as his number one targets just cant afford them .

sure. keane was cheap. dosenna is good enough. and pellegrino wasnt old.

and if im not mistaken, liverpool didnt wanna meet villa's asking price. if it was too ex we wouldnt have been able to buy keane for more.

Keane is proven in the prem and villa would of cost us 30 mil plus - in fact valencia turned down 40 mil bid yesterday from madrid for him .

you have no idea what dossena will be like for us as he has played 3 games so far and is new to the league

and pellegrino arrived for a reason more than just playing ie helping players like sami and carra understand the zonal marking system and sami , carra and rafa have already stated how important to the team he was when he wa shere - both in learning the zonal marking and enabling sami to keep fresh for the cl .

when i said villa, i meant aston villa. aston villa's asking price for barry. if we could buy keane for more surely we could get barry.

keane is proven but so what? nasri seems to be getting along fine.

pellegrino came in despite being so old, and its ok. but for sorin its not ok. amazing.

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:18 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:Ok then let me rephrase it for you - how many of those players would want to come to us ? and how do you know they would of improved us . Mc geady shines in the scottish league - well done - how many players have come down and done well lately ? deco would only of ever gone to chelsea , nasri arsenal , dos santos is doing nothing at the moment and would barce really let him go if he was going to be a special talent ? doubtful . modric was around 16 mil to play in the centre of the park ? who do we replace gerrard or masher or xabi ? its also a matter of being able to afford them and them fitting into the team . bently was 20 mil was it ? arshavin 20 mil plus and you want to spend that based on uefa cup and two decent games in the euros ? yeah sorin is old with no pace and you expect him to be able to cope in the prem when he couldnt cope in serie A when he was at lazio . Martins would cost us 15 mil and blows hot and cold . Owen - well lets not go there . Saviola has done nothing for years and there is a reason he was rotting away in madrids reserves - ie not good enough . Chelsea would never of sold SWP to us in a million years unless we paid 15 mil for him as well.

mate, they werent looking in our direction simply because we didnt show any interest in them. if we did perhaps if could be different. its all about possibilities

besides, whatever happened to our interest in players like simao, aimar, etc? there are good and better players out there for the taking compared to what we have. i just find rafa stubborn. he should shave. its bad luck that goatee.

maybe no interest in them was shown cause the manager either thought 1. they arent good enough 2. they were too expensive 3. no chance of signing them 4. too old an dnot suited to the prem

With simao Benfica put the price up and last summer he went to madrid for 19 mil euros so he would now prob cost us around 20 mil quid and aimar is old and rafa doesnt seem to rate him as never played him for valencia .

he wanted players like silva (couldnt afford him ) villa (same again ) barry ( same again ) alves(same again ) - do you get the trend . he wants better players as his number one targets just cant afford them .

sure. keane was cheap. dosenna is good enough. and pellegrino wasnt old.

and if im not mistaken, liverpool didnt wanna meet villa's asking price. if it was too ex we wouldnt have been able to buy keane for more.

Keane is proven in the prem and villa would of cost us 30 mil plus - in fact valencia turned down 40 mil bid yesterday from madrid for him .

you have no idea what dossena will be like for us as he has played 3 games so far and is new to the league

and pellegrino arrived for a reason more than just playing ie helping players like sami and carra understand the zonal marking system and sami , carra and rafa have already stated how important to the team he was when he wa shere - both in learning the zonal marking and enabling sami to keep fresh for the cl .

when i said villa, i meant aston villa. aston villa's asking price for barry. if we could buy keane for more surely we could get barry.

keane is proven but so what? nasri seems to be getting along fine.

pellegrino came in despite being so old, and its ok. but for sorin its not ok. amazing.

read what i said about pelligrino and the reasons he came into the club - more about the coaching and teahcing the lads about the zonal system as opposed to playing ability - what would sorin bring ? old no pace and would have to adjust to the prem .

yes we couldnt afford barry at 18 mil so we didnt buy him and rafa refused to pay over the odds for him - cant see that being a prob .

yeah nasri is doing ok in a team that has already lost to fulham this season .

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:18 pm

GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:Ok then let me rephrase it for you - how many of those players would want to come to us ? and how do you know they would of improved us . Mc geady shines in the scottish league - well done - how many players have come down and done well lately ? deco would only of ever gone to chelsea , nasri arsenal , dos santos is doing nothing at the moment and would barce really let him go if he was going to be a special talent ? doubtful . modric was around 16 mil to play in the centre of the park ? who do we replace gerrard or masher or xabi ? its also a matter of being able to afford them and them fitting into the team . bently was 20 mil was it ? arshavin 20 mil plus and you want to spend that based on uefa cup and two decent games in the euros ? yeah sorin is old with no pace and you expect him to be able to cope in the prem when he couldnt cope in serie A when he was at lazio . Martins would cost us 15 mil and blows hot and cold . Owen - well lets not go there . Saviola has done nothing for years and there is a reason he was rotting away in madrids reserves - ie not good enough . Chelsea would never of sold SWP to us in a million years unless we paid 15 mil for him as well.

mate, they werent looking in our direction simply because we didnt show any interest in them. if we did perhaps if could be different. its all about possibilities

besides, whatever happened to our interest in players like simao, aimar, etc? there are good and better players out there for the taking compared to what we have. i just find rafa stubborn. he should shave. its bad luck that goatee.

maybe no interest in them was shown cause the manager either thought 1. they arent good enough 2. they were too expensive 3. no chance of signing them 4. too old an dnot suited to the prem

With simao Benfica put the price up and last summer he went to madrid for 19 mil euros so he would now prob cost us around 20 mil quid and aimar is old and rafa doesnt seem to rate him as never played him for valencia .

he wanted players like silva (couldnt afford him ) villa (same again ) barry ( same again ) alves(same again ) - do you get the trend . he wants better players as his number one targets just cant afford them .

sure. keane was cheap. dosenna is good enough. and pellegrino wasnt old.

and if im not mistaken, liverpool didnt wanna meet villa's asking price. if it was too ex we wouldnt have been able to buy keane for more.

Keane is proven in the prem and villa would of cost us 30 mil plus - in fact valencia turned down 40 mil bid yesterday from madrid for him .

you have no idea what dossena will be like for us as he has played 3 games so far and is new to the league

and pellegrino arrived for a reason more than just playing ie helping players like sami and carra understand the zonal marking system and sami , carra and rafa have already stated how important to the team he was when he wa shere - both in learning the zonal marking and enabling sami to keep fresh for the cl .

when i said villa, i meant aston villa. aston villa's asking price for barry. if we could buy keane for more surely we could get barry.

keane is proven but so what? nasri seems to be getting along fine.

pellegrino came in despite being so old, and its ok. but for sorin its not ok. amazing.

read what i said about pelligrino and the reasons he came into the club - more about the coaching and teahcing the lads about the zonal system as opposed to playing ability - what would sorin bring ? old no pace and would have to adjust to the prem .

yes we couldnt afford barry at 18 mil so we didnt buy him and rafa refused to pay over the odds for him - cant see that being a prob .

yeah nasri is doing ok in a team that has already lost to fulham this season .

one bad result doesnt make a great team poor. and if pellegrino was brought to be a coach then why on earth did he play? he had no pace either.

would u rather pay over the odds and win the league or at least have a proper challenge then to lose points by opting for other lesser able options?

you're still avoiding the fact that he could've gotten other better players for cheap. stop being sucha bias lil fan. we all love liverpool but that doesnt make the club excused from negative comments.

and im not xactly surprised u made the comment about arsenal losing to fulham already. like i said before, goes to show ur knowledge about soccer.

ps: we've lost to sh1t oppo too.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:03 pm

1. Pellegrino playing in the prem enabled sami to rest for the CL so he was nice and fresh

2.Yes would love to pay over the odds for players and win things - one point though where are we going to get this money to pay over the odds ?

3.Please tell me the players he could of got that were better and where cheaper and were realistic viable options for us .

4. how does me mentioning the arsenal game show my lack of football knowledge ?

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