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So you could say he did more in 30 mins then gerrard and rest of team did all game

Fo Dne wrote:

LegBarnes wrote:1. We need better coachs I think people rafa has are not up to the job what ever training they are doing isn't working imo.

2. We need to get a great attacking coach in to teach them movement of the ball and control of space.

3. If you look at maradona one of greatest forwards of all time he would run into space no matter where that space was.

4. This is key to good attacking football we don't do this at times players are just standing still wating for football.

5. Players don't have to be sprinting all over the place just slow steady movement around the pitch inbetween players , forward and back to give the passer options.

6. 9/10 is the player who passes the ball can't get that ball to a team mate it isn't passers fault it is normaly fact he has no easy option for a pass.

7. This is why we see liverpool move the ball off the ground so much because there isn't alot of movement going on or smart movement if you like.

8. When i was being coach i remember being told about Triangles , We would do 3v5 on pitch and if you move right you always have 2 passes on even when you are 3v5 .

9. On a football pitch if you gang up in areas of pitch in triangles you have should always have 2 direct passes going forward or at least one square of you.

1. Rafa coaches the players himself. I live around the corner from the training ground and often when I'm passing I'll stop and get out an look over the wall if I can be arsed.

Rafa is always talking to the players, unlike Houllier is he is VERY hands on what he's saying to the players.

2. You can't teach players to do this, surely by now these coaches would have "taught" Babel not to run into players, Ronaldo attacks space naturally for the scum, Babel runs into cul de sacks instead of attacking space.

3. Maradonna was probably the most talented player ever. I don't see the relivance of comparing anyone with him as they will all fall short.

4. Sort your english out... and Also standing still isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes its right not to make a run, sometimes its right to stand still. Fowler was the best at it, standing still in the box while everyone else is moving around, he scored loads of goals from it. Jan Molby was another, he passed the ball off and ran a couple of yards here and there. He moved off other players and didn't do direct one-two's but one-two-threes's and creating triangles.

5. Stating the rediculously obvious.]

6. If you have no easy option or are in doubt you it down the pitch to avoid losing possession in a key area. Never had a problem with it and never will have. Ask any coach (or daddy and your cousins and there daddy) the player with the ball is always responsible, if someone asks him for the ball and has two men on him, he gives the player the ball and he loses it its the one with the balls fault.  Options are created by intelligence and moving of other players, you don't always have to move off the player with the ball, you can move off the player who may receive the ball, something Arsenal do better than anyone.

7. More rocket science... Again though you're wrong. When Arbeloa, Kuyt and Carragher have the ball there often is options they panic and just don't pick the right one. With Carragher it can be tolerated, but not from a full back or "winger/striker/wide man/pile of ". We need players who are composed and pick a pass. It makes a massive difference.

8. Was you coaching an under eights team?

9. Then you come up against a player like Alonso, he intercepts a pass and then sprays the ball 20-30 yards into a player in space and your ganging up becomes completely useless and you get picked off.

Theres alot more to coaching and preparing a team for a game than chatting about triangles and ganging up on players, especially when you are dealing with class who'll just pick you off in one pass.

Scottbot wrote:

bigmick wrote:Anyway back to the question of why we aren't really clicking. I remain convinced that the addition of Keane into the mix has meant that firstly Torres is unable to have the same freedom of lateral movement which he had previously (as he'd run into Keane), and that Gerrard is now not able to fill the spaces which Torres has just vacated (because he'd run into Keane). I think the Irishman is caught in the crossfire, a bit like a reluctant gatecrasher at a couples party in that the more he tries to make himself inconspicuous and get out of the way, the more he knocks over the nibbles. He's trying not to tread on Torres's toes and stay out his spaces, and as he moves out of them he's got Gerrard "FFSaking" as he roars into a gap which used to be there but which now Keane and his marker are standing in. The solution if we are to stay with that formation is simply that the three of them have to learn to play together, to read each others movements, which'll take time. There are only two barrels to the gun, and they'll have to work out when and where they are going to load up.

Anyhow, I know not everyone buys into my various half baked theories so I'll finish with a bold prediction to give everyone a chance to laugh. When we play Villa at the weekend obviously Gerrard won't play (that's not the prediction), but if Rafa starts with Keane and Torres up top (which I very much hope he does) then they will gel like you've never seen before. People will be marvelling at their sudden understanding as they rip Villa to shreds. Our attacking play will look immeasureably better without Gerrard in the team than it did in the first couple of matches with it (before anybody has a go at me, I'm no Gerrard hater, I'm probably his biggest fan on here).

The reason? Well Keane will only have to worry about Torres, not about Gerrard. It'll be just like him only having to worry about Berbatov, and he'll produce his true form. It'll be a revelation, they'll be devastating. That's my prediction anyway, so we'll see.

That's a pretty good assessment to be fair mate. I don't think it's our only problem, far from it but I think you're right in that we may well see Keane's best game for the club this weekend at Villa Park. I'd be very tempted to revert to the 4-2-3-1 of last season. Give Torres the freedom he had last year, flank Keane with Kuyt and Babel and let him enjoy the freedom afforded to Gerrard last season. I'd also like to see Keane get beyond Torres every once in a while. Think i've only seen it happen on a couple of occasions so far. We've been an easy side to defend against up till now, we've offered no threat on the flanks, Torres is playing high on the shoulder all game and Keane is staying deep, trying to make things happen and stepping on Gerrard's toes (as you say) and it's all been a bit too predictable.