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Postby JoeTerp » Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:51 pm

Sabre wrote:Yes, we have seen the Guardian and the Americans are calling us racist because of that. We're a bit surprised but not too bothered. Just in case we asked to the Chinese directly through the embassy and they confirmed there wasn't a single problem in our inoquous advert, while they stated it all was American tactics to unsettle the olympic atmosphere. So if the ones that are supposedly offended are not offended, then the inmediate question is what the fúck are up to the english and american press. It seems that they like to decide what's acceptable and what's racist or not from their saxon perspective and values, which are fine and respectable, but not the ones to set as an universal rule to other countries.

We don't have any problems with the Chinese, and they're a well integrated colony in our country. Chinese people do not need a gun to protect their commerce in our country. They are part of the society smoothly, they learn Spanish at a good rate, they pay their taxes and they mix with the local people.

That sign the team is doing, and the one that did the basketball team, is nothing but a children gesture which has never been offensive nor insulting. Just as we don't mind to be depicted as matadors or flamenco dancers and all black haired in the Hollywood films, we don't see any harm in that childish gesture. There's nothing wrong with having that kind of eyes, they are beautiful if you ask me, it's just a gesture to characterise the Chinese people, who are respected here. It's never an insult unless you insist it is. But the CHinese oficially do not think so. End of story, me thinks.

In the case of the Guardian there's a blatant aim to try to call us racist. They jump from this incident to the Luis Aragones event, instead of digging further in the basketball team who were the ones they were talking about. That basketball team precisely have donated money they've won in awards to the development of basketball in Africa and China, hardly actions of racist people. But the background of that team seems unimportant to the journo, who has more interest in the controversy rather than to finding out if these basketball guys are really racist.

We aren't all Saxon here in the United States. We have quite a bit of Chinese as well as people of other Asian backgrounds that certainly have been teased with that type of gesture in America, and I am sure that some Chinese Americans might have taken offense to the picture, or at least have been grown up in the ultra-sensative American environment of today and told that they should feel offended.  But it is a fair critism of America, especially white America, telling people what they should or should not be offended at. Happens waaaaaay to often by elitist left wingers that I can't F.ucking stand (can't stand the racist right wingers either to be fair (also to clear things up I am not saying all white people are either elitist or racist)

I was a bit embarrassed to see it being mentioned at all in our press, but most of the stories of late have been about how unoffended the Chinese people are.
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Postby LFC2007 » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:02 pm

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:do we have anybody who might bring us gold in the athletics, this is one area we need to work on before 2012.

another great day today and lets hope we can beat 14 golds which i believe is the most at any games.

Phillips Idowu is favourite to take gold in the triple jump.

Christine Ohuruogu has an outside chance of getting gold in the 400m, but has a good chance of getting silver or bronze.

Andrew Baddeley has an outside chance of getting a medal in the 1500m, bronze at best in reality.

Greg rutherford has an outside chance of a bronze in the long jump.

Tasha Danvers has an outside-to-fair chance of a medal in the 400m hurdles (looked great in the heats).

Lisa Dobriskey has a fair chance of a bronze in the 1500m, maybe a silver at a push.

The 4x100 women have a fair chance of a bronze, and the 4x400 an outside chance.

That's about it I think.
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Postby JoeTerp » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:02 pm

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red37 wrote:BOLT smashes the World Record in the 100m final: - 9:69

Phenomenal!

That was a magic race. And he could have done even a better time, he ran with the arms open at the end! celebrating the victory, and still being the fastest man of history to cross the line.

Incredible.

In my opinion, that was the most incredible athletic performance I have ever seen. Sport does not get more purer than the 100m dash. Just line up and run as fast as you can. People have been running since people have been around. To the earliest of humans, being able to run away from predators and run after prey would have been a huge advantage, and Bolt is BY FAR the fastest man to have ever lived. and whats crazy is that he is a 200m runner, and not the best of starters (although he had a pretty decent start in his WR performance). I can't wait to watch the 200m final.  Its so hard for me to believe that one man could be THAT much faster than all the other fastest people in the world. The shear audacity and cockiness and the speed to back it up to put on the brakes like he did, that far in front of the finish line. WOW. And he is only 21, AND has only been running the 100m for 1 year, not even a full calendar year.  CRAZY
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Postby LFC2007 » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:09 pm

JoeTerp wrote:One more point. CSKA Moscow is continuously referred to as Ceska Moscow by American "International" basketball "experts. As far as I was aware, anytime I heard British commentators refer to the same footy club it was C.S.K.A.  as in saying all the letters and not trying to make it one word.   Which is the proper way?

Don't know about the international basketball expert pronunciation, but it's usually pronounced as an acronym in respect of football.
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Postby Sabre » Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:27 pm

Incredible, Denmark break their vessel in 49ers, they borrow the Croatian's vessel, and they're not disqualified. The rules say you cannot do that, but it seems some countries have more power in that sailing world. Spain another silver then, the guys are basque.

It's difficult to understand, because many teams have been out of the competition because of breaking the vessel, they could simply have followed fighting for a medal, yet, they couldn't.
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Postby metalhead » Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:53 pm

Michael Philips is some swimmer! 8 gold medals in this olympics!! unbelievable achievment

Congrats to him!
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:16 pm

the scouse super heavyweight  Price is guaranteed  a medal now also after stopping his oppo just now
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Postby Judge » Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:17 pm

metalhead wrote:Michael Philips is some swimmer! 8 gold medals in this olympics!! unbelievable achievment

Congrats to him!

its phelps

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Postby The Manhattan Project » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:13 pm

According to Manhattan's sources, Seb Coe will spend half the budget for the London 2012 games by bribing Michael Phelps to switch his nationality to British.
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Postby Dundalk » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:29 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:According to Manhattan's sources, Seb Coe will spend half the budget for the London 2012 games by bribing Michael Phelps to switch his nationality to British.

I heard Chelsea were going to buy him!

Does anyone know when the mens 200m is on?

Or was it on already
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:34 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Phelps being from Baltimore, and most of my uni friends being from Baltomore, a lot of them have the same friends or have ran into him here or there, and he has quite the reputation as an @sshole.  Doesn't take away from what he did, but there is a lot of overreaction to him at these games. People are trying to throw his name up there amongst the GREATEST ATHLETES OF ALL TIME, and I am just saying hold up, how many of you were throwing Mark Spitz anywhere near that conversation before Phelps came along? I know that he bettered Spitz, but beating a record by one (not sure if they had the same amount of events back in Spitz's day) cannot move him that much further ahead on the all time list than Spitz was (which I am guessing was somewhere in the top 40). 

Also just to let you know, all of these sports "experts" debating this imaginary list, have either forgotten to qualify the argument as greatest American athlete or just happened to forget that top athletes come from other countries too. :(

Not surprised at all to hear the lad's a bit of an a.rse.  Imagine the ego he must have with all the hype that surrounds him?

That said, nothing can take away from the amazing things he's achieved in this and previous Olympics.  As such, while calling him the world's greatest athlete of all time might be a stretch, I certainly think there's a case for calling him the greatest Olympian of all time.  But, of course, how do you compare greatness across sports or across eras?  That's a whole other debate. :D

On a side note, what I have found funny about the Phelps coverage is all the stuff on his superior genetic gifts (feet size, arm span, relatively compact legs, double jointed, etc.).  The way they talk, it's like he's been grown in a lab to win swimming medals and all he basically has to do is turn up to win (and beat the WR).  Throw in the fixation with the "junk food" he consumes in mass quantities on a daily basis and the press make it sound like he's just some freak of nature rather than an athlete who also works incredibly hard to stay at the top of his sport.  With Phelps' dominance and Bolt's nonchalance in marquee sports this Olympics, you really get the impression that it's all down to superior genetics these days and that hard work hardly entires into the equation.  :Oo:
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Postby laza » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:06 pm

Anyone watch semi final woman's football match between Japan and USA......tip for the Japanese dont play someone as a goalkeeper when they are only 5ft 5
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Postby JoeTerp » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:12 pm

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JoeTerp wrote:Phelps being from Baltimore, and most of my uni friends being from Baltomore, a lot of them have the same friends or have ran into him here or there, and he has quite the reputation as an @sshole.  Doesn't take away from what he did, but there is a lot of overreaction to him at these games. People are trying to throw his name up there amongst the GREATEST ATHLETES OF ALL TIME, and I am just saying hold up, how many of you were throwing Mark Spitz anywhere near that conversation before Phelps came along? I know that he bettered Spitz, but beating a record by one (not sure if they had the same amount of events back in Spitz's day) cannot move him that much further ahead on the all time list than Spitz was (which I am guessing was somewhere in the top 40). 

Also just to let you know, all of these sports "experts" debating this imaginary list, have either forgotten to qualify the argument as greatest American athlete or just happened to forget that top athletes come from other countries too. :(

Not surprised at all to hear the lad's a bit of an a.rse.  Imagine the ego he must have with all the hype that surrounds him?

That said, nothing can take away from the amazing things he's achieved in this and previous Olympics.  As such, while calling him the world's greatest athlete of all time might be a stretch, I certainly think there's a case for calling him the greatest Olympian of all time.  But, of course, how do you compare greatness across sports or across eras?  That's a whole other debate. :D

On a side note, what I have found funny about the Phelps coverage is all the stuff on his superior genetic gifts (feet size, arm span, relatively compact legs, double jointed, etc.).  The way they talk, it's like he's been grown in a lab to win swimming medals and all he basically has to do is turn up to win (and beat the WR).  Throw in the fixation with the "junk food" he consumes in mass quantities on a daily basis and the press make it sound like he's just some freak of nature rather than an athlete who also works incredibly hard to stay at the top of his sport.  With Phelps' dominance and Bolt's nonchalance in marquee sports this Olympics, you really get the impression that it's all down to superior genetics these days and that hard work hardly entires into the equation.  :Oo:

he also burns more calories in one workout than most people do in a week.
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:57 pm

Phelps may have the most gold medals, but I think Jesse Owens is the all-time greatest Olympian.

What he did had much more significance.

This was a black man A- destroying Nazi propaganda about Aryan supremacy in those particular races, and B- winning gold medals in a time where America was pretty much an apartheid state.

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Postby JoeTerp » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:51 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:Phelps may have the most gold medals, but I think Jesse Owens is the all-time greatest Olympian.

What he did had much more significance.

This was a black man A- destroying Nazi propaganda about Aryan supremacy in those particular races, and B- winning gold medals in a time where America was pretty much an apartheid state.


And you just don't see people winning Gold in the 100m, 200m, Long jump, and 4 X100 relay anymore.
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