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by **Rush Job** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:48 am

IMHO Barry would give us more in attack not lease and forgoing a good assist rate, he scores goals with both feet and head, and when attack brakes down he can then amazingly get back into possition, if Xabi could be a more dynamic a bit more up and down i wouldnt have a problem but it too easy for the oppo to read his game and thats why he struggled, why do you think he want a move to a ( much ) slower league? he'll be something else for them no doubt, note ive always said closer to the prem, we could well miss Alonso's passing in the CL.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:57 am

Sorry wait a minute mate, aggressive???, i thought we were debating footy mate, alright fck it then!

Indeed we are but the last time I got so involved in a discussion I was told to calm down !, just covering my bases matey !

by **Rush Job** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:00 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Sorry wait a minute mate, aggressive???, i thought we were debating footy mate, alright fck it then!

Indeed we are but the last time I got so involved in a discussion I was told to calm down !, just covering my bases matey !

No not me lad, i value your opinion even if i dont aggree, it gives me something to do.

by **SundanceKid** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:17 am

We're not getting anything from Villa. We might as well start looking for a new winger

by **Rush Job** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:31 am

SundanceKid wrote:We're not getting anything from Villa. We might as well start looking for a new winger

We could well be, and as normal we would be the last to know, id love to see Rafas hit list.... or for that matter the players he'd like to sign.

by **Rush Job** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:33 am

by **SundanceKid** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:56 am

Rush Job wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:We're not getting anything from Villa. We might as well start looking for a new winger

We could well be, and as normal we would be the last to know, id love to see Rafas hit list.... or for that matter the players he'd like to sign.

Haha. It's not that we're making somewhat reasonable offers, or that we will eventually be. O'Neill is throwing a fit over the whole thing as if his club has a high status.

by **Rush Job** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:34 am

SundanceKid wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:We're not getting anything from Villa. We might as well start looking for a new winger

We could well be, and as normal we would be the last to know, id love to see Rafas hit list.... or for that matter the players he'd like to sign.

Haha. It's not that we're making somewhat reasonable offers, or that we will eventually be. O'Neill is throwing a fit over the whole thing as if his club has a high status.

If you were a villa fan you would see it differently mate, you cant take it personally he doing his job, if Torres wanted to leave would you accept a reasonable offer of 25-30mill ( what he's worth )? No because to us he's worth a lot more, its the same with Barry, he's their heart and i dont blame MON one bit for asking for 20, he's not going to ask for less just because our budget is tight, if its too much we should move on not blame O'neal for doing what every villa fan would want him to, his job.

by **LegBarnes** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:46 am

Rush Job wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:We're not getting anything from Villa. We might as well start looking for a new winger

We could well be, and as normal we would be the last to know, id love to see Rafas hit list.... or for that matter the players he'd like to sign.

Haha. It's not that we're making somewhat reasonable offers, or that we will eventually be. O'Neill is throwing a fit over the whole thing as if his club has a high status.

If you were a villa fan you would see it differently mate, you cant take it personally he doing his job, if Torres wanted to leave would you accept a reasonable offer of 25-30mill ( what he's worth )? No because to us he's worth a lot more, its the same with Barry, he's their heart and i dont blame MON one bit for asking for 20, he's not going to ask for less just because our budget is tight, if its too much we should move on not blame O'neal for doing what every villa fan would want him to, his job.

yep he wants his club to improve same as us and wants to be a buyer not a seller.

To many managers just back down he is at least fighting for his players you gotta respect that.

Mind you barry if kept there can always buy out his contract and imo this is what will get him to liverpool sooner rather then later.

More its gets closer to start of season more presure will be on o'niel and he start to worrie about the return of barry and time to get in new players.

This will be the telling point around end of july time i think if not a little sooner.

by **SundanceKid** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:14 am

Rush Job wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:We're not getting anything from Villa. We might as well start looking for a new winger

We could well be, and as normal we would be the last to know, id love to see Rafas hit list.... or for that matter the players he'd like to sign.

Haha. It's not that we're making somewhat reasonable offers, or that we will eventually be. O'Neill is throwing a fit over the whole thing as if his club has a high status.

If you were a villa fan you would see it differently mate, you cant take it personally he doing his job, if Torres wanted to leave would you accept a reasonable offer of 25-30mill ( what he's worth )? No because to us he's worth a lot more, its the same with Barry, he's their heart and i dont blame MON one bit for asking for 20, he's not going to ask for less just because our budget is tight, if its too much we should move on not blame O'neal for doing what every villa fan would want him to, his job.

Haha. A friend of mine from Birmingham is a big Villa supporter and he says to me:

I'm actually quite happy he might leave
If he stays, I'll be happy.but getting £20 million for him? Cash in while he's had a good season! Liverpool will soon realize what a waste of money, though

Guess you were right

by **Owzat** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:32 am

Rush Job wrote:id love to see Rafas hit list.... or for that matter the players he'd like to sign.

My biggest worry when a manager becomes obsessive over a player is they focus too much on that and neglect the areas that need attention. Or summed up my concerns are :-

1) Barny is a good player, but not worth pursuing.
2) We could cope this season without signing a CM so why spend so much on one
3) Other positions require attention, only full back seems to have got a look in - and rumours about Milner
4) I want to see quality signings, my worry is whether players like Dossena, Degen, Barny and Milner are going to make the difference. For me that list could equally read Aurelio, Pennant, Lucas and Arbeloa in terms of inspiration. If we'd signed those four last season would people be expecting a title challenge or wondering which, if any, would work out. OK Barny may prove more like Gerrard or Mascherano than Lucas, but let's face it it isn't exactly an inspiring signing if it does go through. Adding about £5m-£10m over what he's worth to the fee won't make it seem like good business. Maybe if we signed Barny for £7m then that in itself might inspire

by **SundanceKid** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:42 am

Owzat wrote:
Rush Job wrote:id love to see Rafas hit list.... or for that matter the players he'd like to sign.

My biggest worry when a manager becomes obsessive over a player is they focus too much on that and neglect the areas that need attention. Or summed up my concerns are :-

1) Barny is a good player, but not worth pursuing.
2) We could cope this season without signing a CM so why spend so much on one
3) Other positions require attention, only full back seems to have got a look in - and rumours about Milner
4) I want to see quality signings, my worry is whether players like Dossena, Degen, Barny and Milner are going to make the difference. For me that list could equally read Aurelio, Pennant, Lucas and Arbeloa in terms of inspiration. If we'd signed those four last season would people be expecting a title challenge or wondering which, if any, would work out. OK Barny may prove more like Gerrard or Mascherano than Lucas, but let's face it it isn't exactly an inspiring signing if it does go through. Adding about £5m-£10m over what he's worth to the fee won't make it seem like good business. Maybe if we signed Barny for £7m then that in itself might inspire

Mainly because he can be seen as a left midfielder as well. A position we're in need of

by **azriahmad** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:04 am

I have not posted in a long while, but for me we should end our interest in the Barry transfer saga while Villa are asking for silly money.

by **Owzat** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:00 pm

SundanceKid wrote:Mainly because he can be seen as a left midfielder as well. A position we're in need of

CAN PLAY isn't really a solution, we need proper players not bits n pieces players. That's like having a batsman who averages 30 in a cricket team because he CAN bowl or a bowler in the side who averages 36 with the ball because he CAN bat.

Point being we need specialists, wingers who do the best job not someone who can play left without much pace and out of his intended role. Perhaps that is why O'Squeall is asking so much, he thinks he is a top winger

by **SundanceKid** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:54 pm

Owzat wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:Mainly because he can be seen as a left midfielder as well. A position we're in need of

CAN PLAY isn't really a solution, we need proper players not bits n pieces players. That's like having a batsman who averages 30 in a cricket team because he CAN bowl or a bowler in the side who averages 36 with the ball because he CAN bat.

Point being we need specialists, wingers who do the best job not someone who can play left without much pace and out of his intended role. Perhaps that is why O'Squeall is asking so much, he thinks he is a top winger

If you were to sell your soul, I think you'd put it up for a good price. Same thing O'Neill is doing

As for Cricket, I don't understand the sport at all.

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