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by **metalhead** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:03 pm

Seriously Daws, what are we doing wrong with juve? Then Villa are doing the same thing with what we are doing with juventus.

by **dawson99** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:05 pm

yeah everyone is doing wrong, but we arent angels in all this transfer kerfuffle

by **Scottbot** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:09 pm

metalhead wrote:Im sorry scott, but MON is acting like a c*ck! First of all it was the press who publically announce this bid from the first place, not rafa or anyone else. How did the press know about it? they can have their ways, could be that they got it from a source from Aston Villa or a source from Liverpool. However, MON [b]declared[/d] that it was true that LFC did bid for barry and was outraged with how they bid for him, in public. His outrage at LFC was an overreaction, because I don't think Rafa would want to make it publically known that we bid for barry! Did Rafa say in any of his interviews that he wants barry? no he just kept quite saying he is a good player and plays in 3 different positions when asked about the future of alonso, but he didnt say he wanted him at anfield.

Who knows how the original bid was leaked to the press, I guess it could have been the player's agent although I imagine the player would have preferred the whole thing to have been carried out quietly and professionally so that seems unlikely to me. All I know is that if it was the likes of Real Madrid or some other big European Club or Manager talking about one of our players everyone on this board would have been going CRAZY. Particularly if it was off the back of a crappy bid (it sounds like our initial offer was pants) involving a bunch of misfit players the club wants rid of.

I'm glad we're a Top 4 club but i hate the way the Big 4 in this country conduct themselves most of the time.

by **metalhead** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:15 pm

Real Madrid are worse in conducting their business, especially with the C.Ronaldo saga. Unlike Rafa, Shuster admitted that they are trying to lure Ronaldo to Real.

Thats why I thought Rafa was proffessional as ever, staying quite in these things and doesn't want to dig in deeper in the matter.

I guess I agree with you about the player's agent maybe leaking this to the press. Who knows really, it could be anyone. Even Uncle Albert

by **Scottbot** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:36 pm

metalhead wrote:Real Madrid are worse in conducting their business, especially with the C.Ronaldo saga. Unlike Rafa, Shuster admitted that they are trying to lure Ronaldo to Real.

Thats why I thought Rafa was proffessional as ever, staying quite in these things and doesn't want to dig in deeper in the matter.

I guess I agree with you about the player's agent maybe leaking this to the press. Who knows really, it could be anyone. Even Uncle Albert

I wasn't suggesting the club have behaved like Real Madrid, far from it. But to brazenly talk about a player who belongs to another club (despite the fact we might have just made a crappy bid) is gonna p..i..ss off the other manager/chairman and has subsequently (in my opinion) driven up the price. I just don't see any reason for LFC fans to be pis..sed with MON, what's he done wrong? I can't see it.

by **Sabre** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:39 pm

Dawson, on the Alonso thread says

I love Alonso, the guys class, but he hasnt been doing it consistently like Barry has. Barry will add so much mroe to our team than Xabi did.

You, like Bamaga, and Judge

seem pretty happy with this "swap".

Which means that you are convinced of that he's been consistently doing this two years. I mean the so much more bit. It must be a lot, because, while people here said Alonso was below his par for his standards, they also admitted he was good anyway.

Myself, I only have "snapshots" of Barry's game, if you see what I mean. Some actions, some things I remember, but I haven't seen him in a complete game, only playing against us, and in those games I'm more focused about which players of our team are doing well.

In a nutshell: In football terms, and leaving aside if he's expensive or not (let's trust Rafa), what do you think he'll provide consistently to this team? in which role? Definitely a starting eleven player (the kind of player you'd play in the CL final) or a rotation used often?

I need info on this player, and I don't trust nor google, nor youtube. Any posts on this are welcome.

Let's not talk about he's expensive or not, time will tell if Rafa's been spot on as he was with Torres or Mascherano.

by **JoeTerp** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:41 pm

MO'N isn't making any sense. One the one hand he says its inevitable that Barry will leave, yet he keeps rejecting our offers which are already a bit over the odds. We need to have rafa come out in the press with a statement on his own showing MO'N being the bad guy who is preventing his long serving captain of fulfilling his dream of playing Champions League football. How his valuations of the player are ridiculous and that LFC will not be placing any more bids that are higher than the last one. Given what Barry and MO'N have already said, I think it would be too awkward for them to continue their professional relationship, they would be forced to counter offer hopefully somewhere inbetween the 1st bid and the 2nd or one that included an equally overvalued price of Carson and hence less cash on our part.

by **destro** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:47 pm

Sarge wrote:martin o'neil can kiss my f.e.c.k.i.n. a.r.s.e

Just out of interest, that wouldn't happen to be a picture of your @rse on your Avatar would it ?

by **maguskwt** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:03 pm

Sabre wrote:In a nutshell: In football terms, and leaving aside if he's expensive or not (let's trust Rafa), what do you think he'll provide consistently to this team? in which role? Definitely a starting eleven player (the kind of player you'd play in the CL final) or a rotation used often?

What's abit sad about our interest in Barry is that his best position surely has to be CM... which means that if we get him he will be rotated with Mascherano... even though he can play the left side I don't think he is considered an established winger... he is just good overall that he could play in alot of positions... abit like our very own stevie G only more defensive... He is comfortable on the ball, comfortable with both feet... cannot be shrugged off the ball easily... physically strong and mobile (some of which xabi has shown to be lacking in recent times)... and can pick out a running player with a decent mid-range pass like he often does when he plays with gerrard for england...he can take dead ball situations very decently and also chips in with a few goals and can finish quite well...he is more of a direct player than xabi is...If i have to compare him to another midfielder, it has to be michael ballack... only thing is that ballack is better in the air... that said I believe that xabi has a superior range of passing and vision and an overall better reader of the game...in terms of techical ability, xabi is smoother on the ball but barry is also not your typical slow rigid british player
so in the end as much as I like xabi... I believe that barry is more effective in the premier league...

by **Toffeehater** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:16 pm

Ciggy wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:Martin o'neil has just said on BBC in the half time interval with Lineaker that Villa have turned down an improved offer today for Barry...didn't say for how much though?...but he did say that he thought the chances of keeping hold of Barry were slim.....

How unprofessional is that though? For a manager to come out and say that during a euro game hes lost the plot.
England captain for one unimportant game so what he wont be captain again.

They have rejected a 3rd bid hopefully its the final one its now time Barry handed in a transfer request.

have to agree with ciggy here . O neil is behaving rather childishly , its only a matter of time before barry officially hands in a transfer request

by **Toffeehater** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:18 pm

very good post by maguskwt , if we switch back to the 4-4-2 than mashcerano and gerrad will be in the middle with maybe barry on the left and we may sign milner so he will be on the right and babel up top with torres maybe?

by **Scottbot** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:20 pm

Sabre wrote:In a nutshell: In football terms, and leaving aside if he's expensive or not (let's trust Rafa), what do you think he'll provide consistently to this team? in which role? Definitely a starting eleven player (the kind of player you'd play in the CL final) or a rotation used often?

They are similar in many ways Sabes

- Both players are excellent passers of the ball, both generally keep it simple but play more expansively when the time is right. I'd say Alonso in his first season at his peak passed the ball better than Barry is capable of. Only problem is that he hasn't really approached that level the past season and a half.

- I agree that Barry is slightly more mobile and also a touch quicker.

- As far as tackling goes there is very little to choose between them. Barry is probably a little stronger in the tackle but Xabi has been a regular in the top 3 for Premier League tackles (something that surprises a lot of people) since he's been at the club.

- Goal threat is a tough one to judge because Barry plays further forward than Xabi but then it's hard to argue with his (Barry) tally this season, didn't he get 17? I know that included pens but it's still pretty impressive for a defensive midfielder.

Would Barry be a starter every week at LFC? Yes, no doubt for me. A very versatile player and i'd guess Rafa would use him in a similar way to Essien at Chelsea. He won't always play in the centre and will no doubt see time at Left Back (he's COMFORTABLY better than Riise, Aurelio and Arbeloa in my opinion) and also at left-mid when Rafa wants to play a more compact formation. He's no winger, he want beat a man to often but he's got quick feet in close quarters and has a good cross on him and could do a job there (although not every week) when asked.

Are we getting a better player? It's a tough one. If both players are absolutely on the top of their game then Xabi is the better player for me, not by miles but deffo the better player BUT (and it's a big BUT) it's all about form. I'd swap the Barry of last season for the Xabi of last season hands down. I'm sure he'll settle in and do well for the club and his relationship with Gerrard (on and off the pitch) will be a real bonus while Xabi probably needs a new challenge to revitalise himself somewhat.

I'm pi.ss..ed because we should have signed Barry last season (or the season before) and got him for chump change. He's always been an excellent player and it's a crime he didn't play for England while the likes of Phil Neville , Stewart Downing and EVEN Chris bloo.dy Powell were getting a game.

by **metalhead** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:20 pm

Scottbot wrote:
metalhead wrote:Real Madrid are worse in conducting their business, especially with the C.Ronaldo saga. Unlike Rafa, Shuster admitted that they are trying to lure Ronaldo to Real.

Thats why I thought Rafa was proffessional as ever, staying quite in these things and doesn't want to dig in deeper in the matter.

I guess I agree with you about the player's agent maybe leaking this to the press. Who knows really, it could be anyone. Even Uncle Albert

I wasn't suggesting the club have behaved like Real Madrid, far from it. But to brazenly talk about a player who belongs to another club (despite the fact we might have just made a crappy bid) is gonna p..i..ss off the other manager/chairman and has subsequently (in my opinion) driven up the price. I just don't see any reason for LFC fans to be pis..sed with MON, what's he done wrong? I can't see it.

lol, I wasn't suggesting it either , I was just saying how Real Madrid is behaving

However, the point is that Rafa wasn't talking about Barry, for example talking about how he wants him at anfield. Thats why I thought MON really overreacted with some comments he made about that matter. I'm p!ssed at MON because he is playing hardball like Sevilla did with alves.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:36 pm

MON is just :censored:

off because he's at a feeder club.

At Celtic, he was top dog.

At Villa, he's sixth placed dog.

by **Sabre** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:45 pm

Cheers for that informative post, Scott.

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