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by **Dundalk** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:16 pm

Number 9 wrote:
s@int wrote:I will make my thoughts clearer

1/ Keane is a good player but not my first choice

2/ Keane will not score 20 league goals this season and you can quote me on that

3/ Keane is not a player that makes lots of assists for his strike partner.

4/ Keane is better than Voronin and Kuyt

5/ I think we paid over the odds

6/ I think he will be a success

7/ I think he will play best in a 4-4-2 with Torres

8/ I would have preferred Aguero but he would have cost even sillier money and would have to adapt to the prem

9/ Keane ticks all the right boxes as a player

10/ I can always get someone else to tarmac my drive

Care to explain number 10?
As far as i'm concerned he's a footballer and to associate tarmac and drives is beyond me!
I agree with some of what you have chosen to say..others im not so sure about...maybe im daft eh?
What has tarmac got to do with football or getting other people to do your drive?

I think its an Irish thing.

Bit of a joke.

by **Rush Job** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:16 pm

GYBS wrote:
Owzat wrote:Well if he was worth what spudz sold him for they wouldn't have sold him, even though he was not for sale as I recall when they lodged a complaint . Was he worth it? I would price him around £12m-£15m, given his age and allowing for the fact I don't base it too much on comparisons with other players. After all Defoe went for what £7m, Crouch £11m and Keane £20m - is Keane worth the other two combined?

BUT if we win the title I'm sure people will say it's because we signed Keane, blah blah blah. IF we win the title I won't care, that is the objective not to save money and scrimp. Why I, and others, worry about the fees is because you want the best you can get for your money, so spending £18m on a CM you could put towards a striker for £20m-£25m isn't necessarily best use. He's a good player, no doubt, but how many seasons before an injury or two starts people down the line of "past it" ?

I think he is a decent acquisition, paid over the odds for him and perhaps could have got better value for money for a Villa. Before anyone (else) says Villa is unproven in the Premiership, so was Torres and you wouldn't now want us not to have signed him on that basis.................... I had a quick look at Keane's stats from 2006/7 (source is slooooooooow or I'd post a few more) and he scored 22 goals in 44 games, must have been the season they played just 40 domestic games (the minimum)

the thing about villa is his price - would of cost 30 mil plus for him (and also 28)and when torres and villa play together torres does all the donkey work and doesnt score as much as evident in the euros - now keane can do all the work like kuyt for torres but keane has already proved he can score in the prem . i have always thought villa is a pipe dream and also a luxury we cant afford.

Very true mate, i dont get this Keane isnt worth 19m but Villa is a steal at 30m. We dont need Villa, Torres is our main striker we need a player who is willing to put in the work behind him while still getting his fare share of goals, that man is Robbie Keane.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:16 pm

It was supposed to be a joke mate

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:36 pm

Judge wrote:why hasnt big mick waded in with a j k rowling style book of a post about how keane will fit into rafa's ROTATION policy....or is it too early

Hey Judgie feck off and take Bazza with you, I'm a reformed character

FWIW I don't think Keane fits into any rotational circus, I think he'll play pretty much every week as the second striker. He'll only play wide right if Rafa has one of his "styling" weeks, in order to give someone a rest/rotate/to keep semeone fresh for the 2011 Champions League final.

As I've said many times, although we will see the occasional "styled" selection in my view, it will be strictly reserved for the games in which Leon is in goal, and if you like I'll fill in at centre half. Hull, Stoke and the like can expect to be left scratching their heads when we line up against them. They won't so much be asking which formation we are going to use, it'll be more a case of "who the feck is that?". In the main though, Keane will join the ranks of the Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Masherano type players who play every week. There won't be too much styling this time around.

On the question of the fee, it does look like a lot but to make a judgement you have to compare value by comparison I think. Spurs paid 16 mill' for Bent and Keane looks good value up against that (although I do like Bent a lot), Fulham are looking to pay 13 mill' for Andy Johnson, and although the Everton man is a good player Keane still looks like good value, similarly Tevez for 32 mill wouldn't put the value aspect of our deal into the shade I don't think. The one recent transfer which would make him look dear is Nicolas Anelka going to Chelsea for 15 million. Were they to buy him now as opposed to six months ago, they'd need to be in the twenties I should have thought based on what's gone on since. Defoe was probably a bit cheap at 7 as well in fairness.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:39 pm

As for Keane making a lot of assists.......... Keane made 10 assists in the last 3 seasons, just over 3 per season, Rooney made 30 in the last three seasons or 10 per season by comparison.

by **Dundalk** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:42 pm

Although his ratio of scoring goals for Spurs is just as good as Berbatov

http://www.anfieldred.co.uk/2008....million

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:43 pm

s@int wrote:As for Keane making a lot of assists.......... Keane made 10 assists in the last 3 seasons, just over 3 per season, Rooney made 30 in the last three seasons or 10 per season by comparison.

Very true saint, but if erm....yeah but that's not taking into consideration the fac that he erm..

Ah feck it, I'm going to do exactly what I do when Owz produces stats that completely disprove my theory, I'm simply going to totally disregard them and carry on anyway

I am absolutely convinced he will do really well at Liverpool, and my prediction again is that he will be nominated for both the major awards as player of the year at the end of the season. Feck the assists

by **samurai3000** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:51 pm

yes i agree his a brilliant buy..i would prefer robbie keane than david villa.. keane is an established premiership goalscorer he understands the league really well.. im very chuffed at the signing.. would have been good if he was a little younger.. keane should gives us a few years i hope.. we still need another good signing.. i am not to happy on degen and dosena.. they dont seem that good..i feel we need a world class winger.. our defence is good with aggar back and skrtl doing well.. we have got good midfield but we need better wingers..

by **Number 9** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:54 pm

s@int wrote:As for Keane making a lot of assists.......... Keane made 10 assists in the last 3 seasons, just over 3 per season, Rooney made 30 in the last three seasons or 10 per season by comparison.

And this proves what?
Please elaborate?

by **Dundalk** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:55 pm

Good post samurai3000

Welcome to the forum, glad to see your a Keane fan

by **neil** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:03 pm

s@int wrote:As for Keane making a lot of assists.......... Keane made 10 assists in the last 3 seasons, just over 3 per season, Rooney made 30 in the last three seasons or 10 per season by comparison.

how many goals do you think he played a part in? certainly not 3 a season, assists must mean 'last pass to scorer' something cut and dry whereas we all know that most goals involve 3 or 4 guys splitting a defence, how many of these was he involved in? I'll wager more than 3 a season.

by **Effes** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:03 pm

Im wondering what will be Rafa's preferred formation now that we've got Keane.

I think the 4-2-3-1 worked really well last year, so not sure I want us to go 4-4-2.

Where does anyone reckon he is best deployed in the 4-2-3-1?

He could certainly do a job in Gerrard's role behind Torres, I'd prefer him there than
in Kuyt's position. But he wouldn't be as effective as Gerrard I don't think.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:04 pm

It proves nothing mate, just backs my opinion that Keane is not as much a creative second striker as people seem to think, and is more a frontline striker that runs from deep like Bellamy.

That doesn't mean he can't play that role ........ just that he hasn't done regularly at Spurs or Leeds. At Coventry he did but he was very young then.

As a creative second striker you should be looking at 10/15 goals a season and around 10/15 assists, obviously more or less depending on ability etc etc. Which is where my won't score 20 league goals comes from, whether he can up his assists towards the 10/15 mark is the big question........ if Rafa even plays him in that role of course.

Play him as a frontline striker with Torres and he may get 20 goals but in all likelyhood only his usual 3 or 4 assists, which would obviously have a detrimental effect on Torres and the number of goals he would score.

As far as actual assists goes ..... no doubt he had a hand in quite a few more (as all players do) but as a front player, obviously he is more likely to make the final pass, touch or flick on than say a CB OR EVEN A MIDFIELDER WOULD.

by **Number 9** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:21 pm

s@int wrote:It proves nothing mate, just backs my opinion that Keane is not as much a creative second striker as people seem to think, and is more a frontline striker that runs from deep like Bellamy.

That doesn't mean he can't play that role ........ just that he hasn't done regularly at Spurs or Leeds. At Coventry he did but he was very young then.

As a creative second striker you should be looking at 10/15 goals a season and around 10/15 assists, obviously more or less depending on ability etc etc. Which is where my won't score 20 league goals comes from, whether he can up his assists towards the 10/15 mark is the big question........ if Rafa even plays him in that role of course.

Play him as a frontline striker with Torres and he may get 20 goals but in all likelyhood only his usual 3 or 4 assists, which would obviously have a detrimental effect on Torres and the number of goals he would score.

As far as actual assists goes ..... no doubt he had a hand in quite a few more (as all players do) but as a front player, obviously he is more likely to make the final pass, touch or flick on than say a CB OR EVEN A MIDFIELDER WOULD.

Saint who had 10/15 assists in the prem last year??

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:27 pm

Number 9 wrote:
s@int wrote:It proves nothing mate, just backs my opinion that Keane is not as much a creative second striker as people seem to think, and is more a frontline striker that runs from deep like Bellamy.

That doesn't mean he can't play that role ........ just that he hasn't done regularly at Spurs or Leeds. At Coventry he did but he was very young then.

As a creative second striker you should be looking at 10/15 goals a season and around 10/15 assists, obviously more or less depending on ability etc etc. Which is where my won't score 20 league goals comes from, whether he can up his assists towards the 10/15 mark is the big question........ if Rafa even plays him in that role of course.

Play him as a frontline striker with Torres and he may get 20 goals but in all likelyhood only his usual 3 or 4 assists, which would obviously have a detrimental effect on Torres and the number of goals he would score.

As far as actual assists goes ..... no doubt he had a hand in quite a few more (as all players do) but as a front player, obviously he is more likely to make the final pass, touch or flick on than say a CB OR EVEN A MIDFIELDER WOULD.

Saint who had 10/15 assists in the prem last year??

As for Keane making a lot of assists.......... Keane made 10 assists in the last 3 seasons, just over 3 per season, Rooney made 30 in the last three seasons or 10 per season by comparison.

Rooney did if you read my previous post

10 last season, 11 the year before , and 9 two years ago.

Fabrigas got 17 last season for Arsenal as well mate.

Gerrard only got 8 assists but he only started playing the second striker role half way through the season, or no doubt he would have as well.

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