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by **LegBarnes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:01 pm

Fo Dne wrote:I have been, the fans expectation has nothing to do with us not winning the league.

Well yet agian you proved my point fans have nothing to do with us winning the league thats is the problem.

Its about winning the league like going out looking for some thing all day and not finding it and secound you relax it turns up stupid amounts of pressure.

Trying the same thing over and over agian.

We trying so much for success we are not making alot of progress and progress is what brings success we need to not be paying over the top prices for players just cos we GOTTA WIN THE PREM , we need to just start to make our own world class tallent agian.

70s , 80s , 90s i dont think many players comming to liverpool who was world class but after they left they sure was we used to have that in our locker.

Its fine to buy players that are world class dont get me wrong but we dont have the funds so we need to give rafa some room to make mistakes bring youth players in give them vital exp in first team games.

Instead of trolling every thing he does wrong life is about making mistakes its how we learn and when managing a top team every new player is a possible mistake waiting to happen becasue there is no formula (guess same could be said about bring up your own children there is no hand book).

We just have so much tallent lets use it god damn it !

by **Owzat** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:04 pm

How does the logic work? We expected the team to win the league in the 80s - and they did. If we can't afford the best players to compete with the mancs etc then are we seriously to believe that if the fans don't expect so much then the players will somehow be and play better for it?

Perhaps if noone turns up to the games and they play at an empty Anfield we'll win all our home games. Or maybe if each and every Liverpool fan crosses their fingers, is positive and really really really wants us to win the league then we will. I do so love these kind of association threads

by **hello_red** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:05 pm

Well from what I have seen if a game is not going our way the atmosphere is dreadful at Anfield! We go on a bout the 12th man, we are losing it! At some games its like watching a training ground session!

Awful considering we USED to be famed for our ground and its atmosphere.

Fo Dne you have to see it from that point of view.

by **hello_red** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:09 pm

Owzat wrote:Perhaps if noone turns up to the games and they play at an empty Anfield we'll win all our home games. Or maybe if each and every Liverpool fan crosses their fingers, is positive and really really really wants us to win the league then we will. I do so love these kind of association threads

How would that work? That is a idiotic attempt at a rebuff! What im trying to say is if you would actually read my posts is that the atmostpehere is :censored:

awful and is not helping in any way. Look at the European nights, full of colour, singing, pure passion. Why? Because the fans are behind the team and they have belief they can do it and as a result the team get that extra mile, that extra goal, that last ditched tackle!

In the league there is none of that.

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:17 pm

Owzat wrote:How does the logic work? We expected the team to win the league in the 80s - and they did. If we can't afford the best players to compete with the mancs etc then are we seriously to believe that if the fans don't expect so much then the players will somehow be and play better for it?

Perhaps if noone turns up to the games and they play at an empty Anfield we'll win all our home games. Or maybe if each and every Liverpool fan crosses their fingers, is positive and really really really wants us to win the league then we will. I do so love these kind of association threads

No just dont bite of rafas head if he does chose to experiment a bit more like its normaly done in here.

I am not saying dont want the team to do well i am saying the comments that are made "when we gonna win the 19th"

When what we should be saying is when we gonna have a team that can pass the ball well and open up teams ?

For me winning is nice but i am purest at heart and watching a team play great football for me is much more important.

I rather watch a team play pure top football and not win some thing then playing :censored:

football liek chavski and win every thing.

Because playing great football , well it like winning for me and to win some thing with out playing great , well its just a shallow victory.

As for winning things in 80s and we did exspect them to win. We was more in postion of power back then and had great tallents all over the pitch plus wasnt as much pressure back then players only worried about the football side of things.

In moden times more viewers more pressure , more players around more competion for places for me just more pressure over all.

by **Owzat** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:20 pm

hello_red wrote:
Owzat wrote:Perhaps if noone turns up to the games and they play at an empty Anfield we'll win all our home games. Or maybe if each and every Liverpool fan crosses their fingers, is positive and really really really wants us to win the league then we will. I do so love these kind of association threads

How would that work? That is a idiotic attempt at a rebuff! What im trying to say is if you would actually read my posts is that the atmostpehere is awful and is not helping in any way. Look at the European nights, full of colour, singing, pure passion. Why? Because the fans are behind the team and they have belief they can do it and as a result the team get that extra mile, that extra goal, that last ditched tackle!

In the league there is none of that.

Your post? Was I replying to your post? I was making the point that trying to associate the success, improvement or just performance of the team with the fans is ludicrous. It's no more idiotic than the thread itself, it is well in keeping with the thread and any idiots that actually believe the tripe.

And talking of idiotic, how can you compare European nights with the Premiership? Europe is a completely different ballgame literally, perhaps you're suggesting it is a different set of fans.....................?

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:22 pm

TBPH, I didn't understand the opening post in any way. A mish mash of different topics. Something about supporters harming our title chances, the desire to win being our biggest weakness, then it goes on with seemingly no link whatsoever to our youth team

Strange one.

In fact, it's fucking weird.

by **Owzat** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:23 pm

LFC2007 wrote:TBPH, I didn't understand the opening post in any way. A mish mash of different topics. Something about supporters harming our title chances, the desire to win being our biggest weakness, then it goes on with seemingly no link whatsoever to our youth team

Strange one.

In fact, it's fucking weird.

Exactly. Is there a link between fans and what happens on the pitch? Possibly, a bit of atmosphere can't hurt. But us not expecting so much?!?!?!?!?! I think some on here have been smoking illegal substances

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:27 pm

LFC2007 wrote:TBPH, I didn't understand the opening post in any way. A mish mash of different topics. Something about supporters harming our title chances, the desire to win being our biggest weakness, then it goes on with seemingly no link whatsoever to our youth team

Strange one.

In fact, it's fucking weird.

you cant understand the link between the hammering Liverpool managers get if they dare ever play youth teams players in first team in prem games and team loses o sorry well that isnt my fault.

I think we need to stop worring about winnign league and start working on making some players out of all the youth players we have and the fans link here it comes you ready.

Is that we the fans dont let it happen due to our over the top nature about winning the 19th title.

Man I could see the reaction in here already if he started a few youth team players in first game of season.

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:34 pm

Owzat wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:TBPH, I didn't understand the opening post in any way. A mish mash of different topics. Something about supporters harming our title chances, the desire to win being our biggest weakness, then it goes on with seemingly no link whatsoever to our youth team

Strange one.

In fact, it's fucking weird.

Exactly. Is there a link between fans and what happens on the pitch? Possibly, a bit of atmosphere can't hurt. But us not expecting so much?!?!?!?!?! I think some on here have been smoking illegal substances

yes you do exspect to much far to much mabye in your perfect world we win prem every season but in the real world it wont happen things have changed liverpool are not a force any more we have to build a team from youth up.

Remeber alan hanson you can't win any thing with kids comment before man u won with that team but now days you can win with out kids if you got few 100 mil to spend but if you havent you really need to bring playings in from youth team.

Atm we are just a confused team we do a little of this a little of that but we dont focus on youth team and none even get to play , Why even have a team just to earn few mil each season from selling them on.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:37 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:TBPH, I didn't understand the opening post in any way. A mish mash of different topics. Something about supporters harming our title chances, the desire to win being our biggest weakness, then it goes on with seemingly no link whatsoever to our youth team

Strange one.

In fact, it's fucking weird.

you cant understand the link between the hammering Liverpool managers get if they dare ever play youth teams players in first team in prem games and team loses o sorry well that isnt my fault.

I think we need to stop worring about winnign league and start working on making some players out of all the youth players we have and the fans link here it comes you ready.

Is that we the fans dont let it happen due to our over the top nature about winning the 19th title.

Man I could see the reaction in here already if he started a few youth team players in first game of season.

So to clarify the 'link': Fans' desire for success means Rafa doesn't have the balls to trust playing our youth team players, who, if fielded would presumably turn out to be the answer to winning the title?

Therefore, the desire for success is our 'biggest weakness'?

Makes sense :kungfu:

by **holylamb2006** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:39 pm

I think we need to stop worring about winnign league and start working on making some players out of all the youth players we have and the fans link here it comes you ready.

So we develope the youth team into the first instead of the premiership ? why ....

Why not go for th prem and if we're out of the racet then work on the youth , crazy to do it the other way round

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:42 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:TBPH, I didn't understand the opening post in any way. A mish mash of different topics. Something about supporters harming our title chances, the desire to win being our biggest weakness, then it goes on with seemingly no link whatsoever to our youth team

Strange one.

In fact, it's fucking weird.

you cant understand the link between the hammering Liverpool managers get if they dare ever play youth teams players in first team in prem games and team loses o sorry well that isnt my fault.

I think we need to stop worring about winnign league and start working on making some players out of all the youth players we have and the fans link here it comes you ready.

Is that we the fans dont let it happen due to our over the top nature about winning the 19th title.

Man I could see the reaction in here already if he started a few youth team players in first game of season.

So to clarify the 'link': Fans' desire for success means Rafa doesn't have the balls to trust playing our youth team players, who, if fielded would turn out to be our answer to winning the title?

Therefore, the desire for success is our 'biggest weakness'?

Makes sense

Not saying it would be the the be all and end all of winning a title i am saying is we exspect to much from a team that isnt any where need the force of chavski and man u.

We need to stop spending stupid fees for players when we have tallent in our ranks that can be used when needed.

As fans give rafa some slack and mabye cheer on his choices to bring in younger players for prem games.

Remeber the :censored:

rafa got for bringing off gerrard for lucus in bitter game what happened we won so many of you was angry about it tho to sum it up in one that is it.

You dont think rafa now thinks twice about it after he got that reaction of the fans and tbh sky sports was loving it lets :censored:

on rafa agian and alot of liverpool fans was like yeah sure sky sports i give you ammo for that i dunno what rafa was doing , shame on rafa bla bla bla. :no

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:44 pm

holylamb2006 wrote:
I think we need to stop worring about winnign league and start working on making some players out of all the youth players we have and the fans link here it comes you ready.

So we develope the youth team into the first instead of the premiership ? why ....

Why not go for th prem and if we're out of the racet then work on the youth , crazy to do it the other way round

yeah that would be ok lamb but it still dont happen does it ?

I be happy with any sort of step up for them before to long our youth team be looked at as a holiday camp just a place to chill out for few years and get paid cos who would ever think they gonna get chance in first team if this carrys on. :down:

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:52 pm

Owzat wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:TBPH, I didn't understand the opening post in any way. A mish mash of different topics. Something about supporters harming our title chances, the desire to win being our biggest weakness, then it goes on with seemingly no link whatsoever to our youth team

Strange one.

In fact, it's fucking weird.

Exactly. Is there a link between fans and what happens on the pitch? Possibly, a bit of atmosphere can't hurt. But us not expecting so much?!?!?!?!?! I think some on here have been smoking illegal substances

why do you thinkwe get beat by so called lesser teams ?

Mabye its cos they dont have as much pressure on them and we do.

I for one have played pro football and pressure is a melting pot on the pitch.

It can make or break and team no matter how good they are.

Look at CL final first have liverpool was under alot of pressure 3-0 down 2nd half no pressure at all and we go on to win it.

Now you still tell me pressure dont meen :censored:

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