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by **JohnBull** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:40 am

I thought he was a great addition to the squad but the word is that he was caught bang to rights, twice, with his nose in the bag.
Raffa has a bit of Shanks in him and I know Shanks would have shown the boy the door.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:46 am

JohnBull wrote:I thought he was a great addition to the squad but the word is that he was caught bang to rights, twice, with his nose in the bag.

Translation?

by **JohnBull** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:49 am

Columbian Nose Candy

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:50 am

Bad Bob wrote:
JohnBull wrote:I thought he was a great addition to the squad but the word is that he was caught bang to rights, twice, with his nose in the bag.

Translation?

Either Crouch has strange sexual preferences and was caught with Montse or he was a coke head

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:53 am

Ahhh, now I get it. Don't buy it, but I get it.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:03 pm

JohnBull wrote:I thought he was a great addition to the squad but the word is that he was caught bang to rights, twice, with his nose in the bag.
Raffa has a bit of Shanks in him and I know Shanks would have shown the boy the door.

your so full of sh!t I can smell ya from here

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:35 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
JohnBull wrote:I thought he was a great addition to the squad but the word is that he was caught bang to rights, twice, with his nose in the bag.

Translation?

Sniffing charlie I presume.

by **Owzat** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:07 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:
sgs wrote:
bigmick wrote:Good luck to the fella. There has been a bit of protracted debate about whether or not he's any good. Barring injuries, putting my neck on nthe line I'm going for 15 league goals for Pompey next season. I know it's early and all that but I think they're buying a good player.

I should also say that I think it's entirely sensible that we sell him, and that given the fact we've allowed his contract to run down 8Mill with add ons is a decent fee. I didn't have a problem with us "advertising" the fact he was up for sale (that much was obvious given the fact that he only had a year to go and we never played him), my problem was with the initial fee on his head of 15 million quid. Quite clearly we would never have got that in a million years, but thankfully everyone has seen sense in the end.

Anyway I'll say it again so I can be quoted if he bombs out. 15 league goals for Pompey next season, and I won't even include penalties either.

Crouch is'nt worth 15M yet Bent is worth what- 12-13m....

Why are Liverpool players being underpriced and others made to be worth the high valuation?

Because we don't win a damned thing

and because Crouch only has a year left on his contract...

£11m or what ever it isis a lot of money for someone with only 1 year left on their contract who'd in all honesty leave the following year anyway.

Look at the fat frank situation as well. £6m or £7m (touted) for someone who 2 seasons ago would have gone for treble that (whether we think he's worth it or not!)

Truth is we should have sold him in January, we might have got £15m for him then (or last August) Prices in the market are getting silly, none more so than the Barny affair. Quite how we can consider spending £18m on a non-striker and in a position we don't badly need to fill, I don't get. Now we're selling a striker which leaves Kuyt (now playing RM), Voronin (not impressed too many) and Torres (wonderkid)

by **andy_g** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:11 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Ahhh, now I get it. Don't buy it, but I get it.

you have a very generous dealer then, bob.

i remember clearly my post on here when the crouch transfer was more or less confirmed. 'peter fucking crouch?? please no!'

i'm happy to say i've been completely proven wrong and am even sad to see him going. he's brought a lot more to the team than just being an awkward, lanky target man and has weighed in with a few nice goals. i always thought his general team play and attitude were excellent. a shame to see him go for whatever reason. i wish him all the best.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:13 pm

bigmick wrote:my problem was with the initial fee on his head of 15 million quid. Quite clearly we would never have got that in a million years, but thankfully everyone has seen sense in the end.

I'd have preferred no fee to be mentioned, but as it happened Rafa chose to test the market and placed a £15m valuation on him, I think it quite unlikely he actually expected to get that amount. Though if you set the price slightly higher than you expect you may just get slightly more. I don't think there was ever much of a risk of pricing him out of a move, esp with Pompey's strong interest. This 'we'd be lucky to get £5m for him given that we've p!ssed him off and he only has a year remaining on his contract' lark doesn't appear to have been an accurate assessment of the situation.

by **Fo Dne** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:42 pm

Owzat wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
SundanceKid wrote:
sgs wrote:
bigmick wrote:Good luck to the fella. There has been a bit of protracted debate about whether or not he's any good. Barring injuries, putting my neck on nthe line I'm going for 15 league goals for Pompey next season. I know it's early and all that but I think they're buying a good player.

I should also say that I think it's entirely sensible that we sell him, and that given the fact we've allowed his contract to run down 8Mill with add ons is a decent fee. I didn't have a problem with us "advertising" the fact he was up for sale (that much was obvious given the fact that he only had a year to go and we never played him), my problem was with the initial fee on his head of 15 million quid. Quite clearly we would never have got that in a million years, but thankfully everyone has seen sense in the end.

Anyway I'll say it again so I can be quoted if he bombs out. 15 league goals for Pompey next season, and I won't even include penalties either.

Crouch is'nt worth 15M yet Bent is worth what- 12-13m....

Why are Liverpool players being underpriced and others made to be worth the high valuation?

Because we don't win a damned thing

and because Crouch only has a year left on his contract...

£11m or what ever it isis a lot of money for someone with only 1 year left on their contract who'd in all honesty leave the following year anyway.

Look at the fat frank situation as well. £6m or £7m (touted) for someone who 2 seasons ago would have gone for treble that (whether we think he's worth it or not!)

Truth is we should have sold him in January, we might have got £15m for him then (or last August) Prices in the market are getting silly, none more so than the Barny affair. Quite how we can consider spending £18m on a non-striker and in a position we don't badly need to fill, I don't get. Now we're selling a striker which leaves Kuyt (now playing RM), Voronin (not impressed too many) and Torres (wonderkid)

Why do you keep calling Barry, "Barny"?

Some of the names you come out with for opposing teams and players are shockingly childish and quite frankly irritating and put people off reading the interesting points in your posts.

You're a complete stat freak and stats can lie, but sometimes you have a valid point and your stats can back things up... other times they are a myth.

Why ruin your posts with the childish name calling of other teams and players? I really don't understand it...

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:44 pm

andy_g wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Ahhh, now I get it. Don't buy it, but I get it.

you have a very generous dealer then, bob.

by **PabloAimar** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:52 pm

i hope his sale funds the transfer of barnaby bear so we can keep the former world champ fernando alonso

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:37 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
bigmick wrote:my problem was with the initial fee on his head of 15 million quid. Quite clearly we would never have got that in a million years, but thankfully everyone has seen sense in the end.

I'd have preferred no fee to be mentioned, but as it happened Rafa chose to test the market and placed a £15m valuation on him, I think it quite unlikely he actually expected to get that amount. Though if you set the price slightly higher than you expect you may just get slightly more. I don't think there was ever much of a risk of pricing him out of a move, esp with Pompey's strong interest. This 'we'd be lucky to get £5m for him given that we've p!ssed him off and he only has a year remaining on his contract' lark doesn't appear to have been an accurate assessment of the situation.

Ah I misunderstood LFC. That said I don't think I ever said "we'll be lucky to get 5 million for him" (infact I'm almost certain I didn't). I did say though that if we stuck to the ridiculous initial valuation we would would price him out of a move, and we would have.

FWIW though, 8 mill plus add ons or whatever it is is about as good as we could have hoped for under the circumstances. keeping him here last season has probably cost us conservatively in the region of 4 mill in lost transfer revenue, but these things happen.

In fairness to the manager, I suspect that the 4-5-1 wasn't something he was planning at the outset of the season, and as such he probably envisaged Crouch playing a much bigger part than he did. We did kind of stumble upon the method to some extent, and once we'd found it we stuck with it and I of all people can't criticise Rafa for that.

All in all it's a decent conclusion to an interesting episode for club and player. He was an excellent signing in the first place, a really good spot by Rafa and few gave him a chance. The manager then showed huge stubborness in continuing to pick him through his initial drought, and was rewarded with a player who was worth comforably more than we paid for him. Then bizarrely, when Crouch was in the form of his life Rafa seemed to lose faith in him and rotated him out of form. Obviously the signing of Torres (another excellent buy) meant he was always second fiddle (or third behind Kuyt for the first two thirds of this season) and in a team which only plays with one striker, he was bound to get limited opportunities.

Good luck to him though, and a fair priice for the club in the end given the circumstances.

by **rafa09** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:53 pm

abi clancy drop him like a hot potato now charlies :censored:

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