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NANNY RED wrote:

Number 9 wrote:Good post Bam and all very true!
There are obvious things that need addressed as you mention,first and foremost i think the government need to re install national pride.A lot less seem to be proud to be British than they used to be,once the pride goes people care a lot less.
In the states for example loads of people fly the star and stripes outside their house,their flag is present in classrooms in schools!
But in England if you put this

outside your house you are told to take it down incase it offends non British nationals!Totally sick when you think around 70 years ago thousands of our people died fighting for that flag....they died in vain when people are threatened with court if they dont take it down.
Its small things like that which need to change first,the government should be making us proud to be British,not sucking it out of us in fear of upsetting foriegners!

When are you opening your campain headquarters

What you said there is so true i said before i am married to a jonny foreigner and he canot believe how much this counrty bows down to all these do gooders. When England were playing in the last football tournament he had a big St gearge flag out of his office he got a letter from Hackney Council asking him to take it in as it might offend. Absolute joke

I hope he told them to fu'ck off!

Number 9 wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

Number 9 wrote:Good post Bam and all very true!
There are obvious things that need addressed as you mention,first and foremost i think the government need to re install national pride.A lot less seem to be proud to be British than they used to be,once the pride goes people care a lot less.
In the states for example loads of people fly the star and stripes outside their house,their flag is present in classrooms in schools!
But in England if you put this

outside your house you are told to take it down incase it offends non British nationals!Totally sick when you think around 70 years ago thousands of our people died fighting for that flag....they died in vain when people are threatened with court if they dont take it down.
Its small things like that which need to change first,the government should be making us proud to be British,not sucking it out of us in fear of upsetting foriegners!

When are you opening your campain headquarters

What you said there is so true i said before i am married to a jonny foreigner and he canot believe how much this counrty bows down to all these do gooders. When England were playing in the last football tournament he had a big St gearge flag out of his office he got a letter from Hackney Council asking him to take it in as it might offend. Absolute joke

I hope he told them to fu'ck off!

I did but the best laugh was when i phoned them and told them were to go they asked me which counrty i came from cause i didnt have an English accent i said no im scouse were are you from . He said he was from Ghana so i asked him are you supporting your team of course he said my office is decorated with pictures.

So take them down aswell in my very best posh scouse accent

NANNY RED wrote:

Number 9 wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

Number 9 wrote:Good post Bam and all very true!
There are obvious things that need addressed as you mention,first and foremost i think the government need to re install national pride.A lot less seem to be proud to be British than they used to be,once the pride goes people care a lot less.
In the states for example loads of people fly the star and stripes outside their house,their flag is present in classrooms in schools!
But in England if you put this

outside your house you are told to take it down incase it offends non British nationals!Totally sick when you think around 70 years ago thousands of our people died fighting for that flag....they died in vain when people are threatened with court if they dont take it down.
Its small things like that which need to change first,the government should be making us proud to be British,not sucking it out of us in fear of upsetting foriegners!

When are you opening your campain headquarters

What you said there is so true i said before i am married to a jonny foreigner and he canot believe how much this counrty bows down to all these do gooders. When England were playing in the last football tournament he had a big St gearge flag out of his office he got a letter from Hackney Council asking him to take it in as it might offend. Absolute joke

I hope he told them to fu'ck off!

I did but the best laugh was when i phoned them and told them were to go they asked me which counrty i came from cause i didnt have an English accent i said no im scouse were are you from . He said he was from Ghana so i asked him are you supporting your team of course he said my office is decorated with pictures.

So take them down aswell in my very best posh scouse accent

Fair play!

Cant say i've ever heard a posh scouse accent,did you sound like Cilla Black?

Number 9 wrote: Fair play!

Cant say i've ever heard a posh scouse accent,did you sound like Cilla Black?

off i hate her  Shes one of them who pretend shes still a scouser and only goes there when some top event is on. Plastic scouser She forgets where she came from.

Reg wrote:

Judge wrote:our services in the NHS are suffering due to overload in demand from non-brits

Not necessarily, its also because we are also becoming a namby-pamby nation.

Pre-war there was no NHS, you paid if you went to the doctor. No one went to the doctor in Liverpool when my dad was a lad unless your leg was falling off. Your mother and grandmother knew how to diaognose problems and also knew cures or would spend money in the chenists, but no one went to the hospital etc..

Yes, the population wasnt as well loooked after and the life expectancy was lower as a result. Nanny might remember the fever hospital which you wouldnt have today, but used to be full of kids in the old days.

So, we´re in better health as a result of the NHS but at the same time people abuse it by going for every little ailment they can think of.

You have to find a balance.

Bamaga man wrote:John Craig has mentioned that the NHS isnt as bad as what the media lead you to believe, and that we're better off with our sysytem than the Americans private way, of which I know all to well what thats like. I had a friend visiting the States a few years back and was hit by a car and in real serious trouble laying along the side of the road. He didnt have any kind of travel insurance, and when the Ambulance pulled up, before helping him out they wanted y\to know about his insurance policies and if he had the finances to pay for their time. Luckily he had the money a few grand, but he said they'd off left him by the side of the road if he had no means of paying the immediate bill.
So yes in some circumstances and because of different systems we may be better off than other people who are less unfortunate. But does that take our right away to question or become dissilusioned by the way hospitals are being run over here, as John would have you believe there far from clean and satisfactory. The labour government shut a lot of local hospitals down in some towns in the Uk. And where I come from we initaially had two hospitals, one of which was knocked down about fifteen to twenty years ago. Fair enough that still leaves a town populated by 147,000 people one hosp[ital. In Labours stint o\in office the government have decided to cut costs and knock down the one remaining hospital and send the local people down the road to Watford general. Which is a good twenty minutes away traffic depending. And its just round the corner from Vicarige road, Watfords own hospital struggles with coping with its own residents which is more heavily populated than 147.000 people. Then add all the people of the neaby town to that, throw in matchday at Watford and you've got yourself chaos in trying t reach the hospital.

My sister was pregnant and her water broke, her fella thinking she was going to make in time to Watford general phoned our local hospital (before it was fully de-commisioned) in attempt to get her there on time.

When he got through to the Nurse on the other end her ords to him were ..... ' I hope your a fast
driver'  . Incidently she never made Watford hospital on time and gave birth in the back of the car half way there, luckily for her there were no complications, but still as a law abiding tax payer of a 21st century western economic powerhouse the Government and therefore the NHS couldnt for fill its duty efficently enough to help her out.

Now in the grander scale of things, its never going to rate as a 'current affairs' blog when there is so much more/worse going on t\in the country. But I bet there are people in Britain who have horror stories much much worse than this. Waiting lists where people are waiting for life saving treatemnt and are being put on hold because hospitals are underr staffed, nurses are under paid and just the sheer fact there is so much conjestion inside the NHS. Well let me tell the people who think the NHS isnt that bad, soem people on these waiting lists have poured there life savings into going private in fear of the waiting lists never getting to them in time. When you come to a country like Austraila an see for yourself how there hospitals and there health service runs, it really opens your eyes and you think to yourself, 'only if we did it like this', but we're not allowed to becuse we're better off than other people ?

I'm not saying the NHS is flawless mate, far from it, and I would expect people who have genuinely bad experiences (like your sister) to complain about it.  The fact is thought that the NHS is rubbished in the media on a daily basis to the point where some people actually believe that all nurses hate their jobs, doctors are incompetent, a visit to hospital guarantees MRSA/C diff, hospitals are filthy and waiting lists are 'years' for anything and everything.

Well I work for the NHS and I'm surrounded by these issues every single day, so let me tell eveyone a few home truths:

1.  Medical schools in Britain are of a far higher standard than most countries, as is the level of training for doctors at postgraduate level.  Invariably the doctors I have encountered that are incompetent have trained abroad - fact.  However most of the foreign doctors in Britain have done some or all of their training here.  Therefore the standard of doctors here is very high, to the point that now being a doctor does not guarantee you employment and forces you to move around the UK on short term contracts.  Bad for the doctor, but good for the patient.

2.  The biggest drain on NHS resources is not foreigners, it is the elderly.  People are living longer these days and in doing so accumulate more illnesses requiring treatment.  70% of patients in hospital are over 70 years old.  Obviously I have nothing against people living longer, just stating that this is why the NHS is stretched.

3.  Legislation.  The paperwork is drowning nurses and doctors these days, to the point where doctors spend more time writing than seeing patients on wards.  Why?  Well that's because doctors are at such high risk of being sued these days or having negligence claimed against them that they must document every single interaction with patients in detail to cover themselves.  This is a problem not created by the NHS, but it is the NHS who suffer.  The same newspapers rubbishing the NHS are the same ones buying stories from clowns trying to make a buck telling stories about experiences in hospital.

4.  People who spend lots of money going private while the NHS still exists in it's current state are ill-informed.  The 'private' doctors are the same doctors that work in the NHS, just doing a bit of private on the side to line their pockets.  Fact is if you need a lifesaving operation you'll get it on the NHS just as quickly as you would private.  Private is only quicker for operations that are not urgent, such as hernias, slipped discs etc.  People going private is just a typical result of the scaremongering whipped up by the British media.

I could go on but unfortunately have a night shift to work.

The Manhattan Project wrote:Britain is a nation without direction, purpose or vision.


If Manhattan was Prime Minister, he'd whip the country into shape within five years.