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by **Greavesie** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:21 am

[/quote]I can already see it: Rafa rotates more the english players, with full fledged Owzat stats.
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by **Kharhaz** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:33 am

The players for some reason can't take club form to the international stage. Reason? Your guess is as good as mine

Im only guessing here but each and every coach that comes in has there best in mind. Look at each coach that has managed england these past few years and everyone of them, sven, mcclaren, capello, all have the idea that Lampard is as good as Gerrard. He isnt. Take lampard from the picture and Gerrard starts to perform. Look at the games Gerrard has played for england without Lampard. We have done much better. It is not down to the players, it is down to the coach. The coach doesnt look outside of the so called star players, bobby robson - steve bull. To look outside of the box but maybe its down to pressure. The same players are picked with the odd sub. Always the sub impresses, but never seen again. Play it safe to gain the public opinion but lose because of it. The fact is the players do carry there form to the international stage, and it is there we see the players for who they are.

by **hello_red** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:38 am

puroresu wrote:if u are good enough u will make it. The rules are fine as it is. I dont buy all this it hurts the national side. England aint reached a major final in decades. With or without foreign players in the league. What needs to be looked at is the coaching. Get that right and u get results.

Agreed.

The biggest problem this country has is the coaching situation. British coaches are getting put in the background by foreign coaches.

Thats the biggest hurdle for this country with or wothout this 6-5 rule.

by **66-1112520797** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:48 am

Sabre wrote:
Do Spain and France still limit the number of foreign players on each team? I know this is only non-EU players, but surely the principle is the same??

We do limit, but that limitation doesn't apply to non-EU players.

As for those who think Continentals are afraid of English domination, I think that's not right.

I'm a Liverpool fan, but I'm Spanish. I like the Spanish league being the best. But I don't have troubles to admit that right now the English one is the best.

It's a Sport. In a Sport sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. And at least me, I know to lose with dignity. Same applies for many continentals. I don't think Platini likes more Spanish football dominating than English dominating, he's French.

FWIW, I think that most English and Spanish fans will agree to be against this rule.

Maybe it's the pressure of countries like Bulgaria, Slovenia, and lots of countries who don't want their fifteen year old players being away of their countries, as they fear nationalisations and all that.

But, do not think mates we hate English. We know to admit when you're doing well.

I think your a little wide of the mark as far as this topic goes, and maybe a tad envious of the Premier league.

Right now it is the best league in the world, the most watched league. Two English teams in the CL final, three in the semis's. That speaks for itself.

Plattinin or whatever the feck his name is spelt, has a massive f.ucking chip on his shoulders when it comes to do with anything English, and anything football.

Their 6 plus 5 thing has only come to light really since the CL final, where they saw two English teams battle out r\the final. Plattinin for years has wanted to cut down the English numbers into the CL from 4 to 3.

He has always blamed English fans abroad, when any kind of instance has a rised.

He and Blatter are grade A Kunts who are bitter about English clubs force in Europe.

by **Rush Job** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:00 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Do Spain and France still limit the number of foreign players on each team? I know this is only non-EU players, but surely the principle is the same??

We do limit, but that limitation doesn't apply to non-EU players.

As for those who think Continentals are afraid of English domination, I think that's not right.

I'm a Liverpool fan, but I'm Spanish. I like the Spanish league being the best. But I don't have troubles to admit that right now the English one is the best.

It's a Sport. In a Sport sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. And at least me, I know to lose with dignity. Same applies for many continentals. I don't think Platini likes more Spanish football dominating than English dominating, he's French.

FWIW, I think that most English and Spanish fans will agree to be against this rule.

Maybe it's the pressure of countries like Bulgaria, Slovenia, and lots of countries who don't want their fifteen year old players being away of their countries, as they fear nationalisations and all that.

But, do not think mates we hate English. We know to admit when you're doing well.

I think your a little wide of the mark as far as this topic goes, and maybe a tad envious of the Premier league.

Right now it is the best league in the world, the most watched league. Two English teams in the CL final, three in the semis's. That speaks for itself.

Plattinin or whatever the feck his name is spelt, has a massive f.ucking chip on his shoulders when it comes to do with anything English, and anything football.

Their 6 plus 5 thing has only come to light really since the CL final, where they saw two English teams battle out r\the final. Plattinin for years has wanted to cut down the English numbers into the CL from 4 to 3.

He has always blamed English fans abroad, when any kind of instance has a rised.

He and Blatter are grade A Kunts who are bitter about English clubs force in Europe.

Agreed

by **Owzat** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:07 am

As I recall from various programmes I've seen on the event, and it was before my time, Sir Alf Ramsey picked the England World Cup winning team on the team ethic and not the superstars which is why Jimmy Greaves and ISJ did not play much of a part. That isn't to say the players weren't top players, but he fitted the players to the team and not the team to the players. For a long time we've tried to fit fat frank, Gerrard, Hargreaves and others into the centre of midfield. We're always trying to accommodate Beckham and some of the teams are auto-picks regardless how well they play.

Rooney seems first name on the teamsheet and his influence ranges from brilliant to disruptive and destructive. You wonder if he'll score a goal, create something or if he'll get sent off or concede a stupid free-kick or penalty. Until he matures to a manageable level I think he should be left out. Crouch may not be my, or other's, favourite striker, but at least you don't expect the darker side of footballers from him. I'd go with Owen and probably Defoe or even Ashton. Maybe even replicate Rafa's 4-3-3 come 4-3-2-1 formation. Any suggestions how that might pan out?

GK James
RB Johnson
LB Bridge
CB Ferdinand
CB Terry
CDM Hargreaves
CDM Barry
AM Gerrard
RWF Wright-Phillips
LWF J.Cole
CF Owen

Might just be my imagination but I feel we get a fair few goals out of SWP, Cole and Gerrard ie from midfield. Why fumble around trying to get Rooney to score more or Defoe when we could adapt the formation. I've left out the primadonnas - Lampard, Cashley, Rooney and Beckham - in the style of Sir Alf. And no playing Wes Orange out of position at FB where he's ok but nothing special. Why accommodate someone not good enough to be first choice CB?

And that XI is good enough, doesn't need a 6 + 5 rule. That's plenty with the above four and Defoe etc left out so what lack of quality is there? I'd say we have at least 20 players good enough with others barely getting a look in to prove their worth. It's not like we can't even assemble XI players, we may be a bit thin on top strikers and maybe not sure of our best RM, but that's fussy nitpicking not dearth

by **Redman in wales** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:02 am

BBC:

Fifa votes for foreign quota rule

Fifa president Sepp Blatter is still keen to implement the ruling
Fifa has voted overwhelmingly in favour of president Sepp Blatter's 'six-plus-five rule', which would limit the foreign players in a team to five.

Fifa wants to bring in the proposal by 2012/2013 but the European Commission says it is discriminatory and illegal.

FA chief executive Brian Barwick is unconvinced by the strategy and he said: "It's about balance.

"We still believe in the meritocracy of players in the team on performance and on ability first and foremost."

The Commission believes a quota on foreign footballers would be incompatible with EU law which allows workers to move freely between member countries.

"We're giving red card to the rule," said Vladimir Spidla, Europe's Commissioner for Equal Opportunities.

But Blatter is keen to work with the EU and Uefa to make it a reality and he has adopted an approach of "consultation not confrontation", according to the BBC news reporter Phil Mercer.

"The congress was very happy in a result of overwhelming majority, with 155 votes in favour and five against. 155 yes and five no," said Blatter after the Fifa congress, which was held in Sydney, Australia.

"It is an overwhelming support to this resolution.

"The Fifa president has asked, together with the Uefa president (Michel Platini), to explore - and explore is not to discuss, it's to go in depth - within the limits of the law.

Blatter has a meeting with the EU on 5 June and he added: "Speaking about it is illegal? For whom? For when? If there is a law, a law can be amended."

John McDonald is a spokesman for the European Commissioner for Sport and he told BBC 5 Live he does not expect Blatter's ambitions to succeed on this front.

"It is a non-starter as far as we are concerned," he said.

"Interestingly the wording that Mr Blatter mentioned this morning at his press conference was that the resolution of FIFA is to explore within the limits of the law the 6 plus 5 rule.

"And they can explore as much as they like but unfortunately a 6 plus 5 rule is against Community legislation."

Blatter wants to restrict the number of foreign players in teams by the start in the 2010/11 season, with a minimum of four home-grown players.

He added he expects it to grow to six, with a maximum of five foreigners, by 2012/13 - and claims the plan has the backing of key European delegates.

In contrast, the "home-grown players" rule which is set to be expanded from next season so that eight players in a Champions League or Uefa Cup squad must have been developed by the club has received EU backing.

To be eligible, a player of any nationality must have been developed by the club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21.

Jan Figel, EU Commissioner for Education, Training and Youth, said Uefa's proposals did not discriminate against nationality and encouraged clubs to develop their academies.

"Measures which require the top European clubs to preserve quality training structures seem to me to be necessary," said Figel.

"The Uefa rule thus avoids the risk of professional football clubs abandoning training structures."

by **PhiLFC** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:29 am

Redman in wales wrote:"The congress was very happy in a result of overwhelming majority, with 155 votes in favour and five against. 155 yes and five no," said Blatter after the Fifa congress, which was held in Sydney, Australia.

Fifa meeting held in Sydney... the cocksuckers get their jollies for free and complain about "foreign" players playing in other nations leagues. Fifa and Blatter should keep their noses out of it. Obviously Thailand, for example, would vote in favour of Blatter cos they aint got a clue what he's going on about... but it doesn't affect them one jot. I wonder who voted against it.

These idiots let Turkey and Israel play in Europe FFS... they make the rules up as they go along.

I hope they go to court over it and the EEC tell 'em where to shove it.... again!

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:01 pm

Michel Platini (Frenchman) who won the European Cup with Juventus (of Italy) hates it when these frickin foreigners play in different countries.

by **metalhead** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:18 pm

the good thing about this is that there will be less rotation

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:28 pm

Never going to happen.

The European Union would a*se-rape the sport.

by **Sabre** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:36 pm

I think your a little wide of the mark as far as this topic goes, and maybe a tad envious of the Premier league.

Where do you see the envy? Maybe a lost in translation? -- my fault?

I admit you're doing better than anybody, including the Spanish league. Right now, you're the best league of the world. About more watched, frankly I don't care much, I'm talking about what matters, football. And in that, The premiership is now the best league of the world.

If in TV rights and all that it's also the best, ok, but I don't care that much.

I'm just saying, you're wrong to assume we're envious of your success and continentals (not spaniards, but continentals as a whole) are not wishing to cut that with measures like this.

Plus, I'm not talking exactly about myself when I give opinion about this topic, but my fellow Spaniards/Continentals: I see envy in some of them yes, but most of them have admiration and respect, which is a different feeling. The papers are envious I admit (they're idiots), but yet they do not deny the fact that the premiership is the best.

As I say, I just wanted to translate what's the feeling I get around here, and I can assure you there's not a secret desire to end your domination with new rules or tricks. Sometimes, you simply have to admit another country is doing better things, no problem. That's whay I meant by "knowing to lose with dignity". You have to know to admire a better rival.

My local team has no European appearances, and my other beloved team is Liverpool, I wish we dominated Europe the next 10 years, fúck Madrid, fúck Barcelona, and fúck Milan!! So see if I care about Spanish club's domination in Europe!!

Again, where I've been out of the mark? in the dignity comment? By that I meant what I've explained in this post, which is nothing but respectful towards your football. I'm writing bóllocks everyday here because I love Liverpool, and I love English football, you should grant me that!!

He has always blamed English fans abroad, when any kind of instance has a rised.

He and Blatter are grade A Kunts who are bitter about English clubs force in Europe.

I cannot speak on behalf of them though. that's fair enough.

by **KOPMATT** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:36 pm

Can't see it being implemented as it goes against European Law regarding freedom or work or summut like that, whether they ca still do something with players that come from outside the Eu I don't know but they can't change EU law to suit themselves.

by **Toffeehater** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:41 pm

have to agree with lando , if it does happen the limit would be say 3 english players outta 11 , which seems fair . Platini and blatter are cun.ts who turn each other on in bed

by **Owzat** » Sat May 31, 2008 8:38 am

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Is not the mediocrity down to the players? Unless for some reason our very best talents aren't becoming footballers, which is possible if football loses popularity and a loss of big name foreign idols may do that, then we have to assume any ability lacking is down to those best talents and nobody else. I've said before if the top clubs have English players then it isn't really a problem, fergie won't pick a player because he's English over a better player. So how do Brown, Rio, Neville, Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves and Rooney get in the manc side?

As someone in the office said the other day, maybe it's because the foreigners provide the flair and our players seem better because of their teammates. Fair point, however if true then removing the foreigners will just lower the standard of the team. Bladder's theory is wonderful, however in testing it he may simply be shifting the popularity of this league over to Spain and Italy.

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