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by **Redman in wales** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:28 am

I voted no because I don’t agree with the numbers 6+5. But I do aggree with the system. Personally, I'd like a minimum of 4 (or at the most, 5) home grown players in the 11, not 6.

However with the money that’s in the game now, I think that if this is going to be introduced, it needs to be done slowly and carefully. It should never be said "next season it will be 6+5" because that would just be silly. If it IS going to be brought in, I'd like to see it phased-in something like this:

2008/09 - no quota.
2009/10 - 2 homegrown minimum
2010/11 - 4 homegrown minimum
2011/12 - 4 homegrown minimum
2012/13 - 6 homegrown minimum

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:37 am

Putting quotas on things like this is illegal and Blatter should be punished for proposing such an idea. Sure it would be better to have more English players in the league but this proposed law is messed up. People should have freedom to work wherever they want, and should not be judged by their nationality. If this did go through then other :censored:

ideas like this would follow.

by **tubby** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:43 am

Also I remember Platini saying some time ago that he wanted to reduce the number of English sides that qualify for Europe (cl) to only 3 instead of 4.

by **Redman in wales** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:49 am

Number 9 wrote:No way I want this to happen!
Its legal for anyone from anywhere in the EU to come here and start work get a house and live as an honourary Brit!
Its also legal for them to come and not work and sponge off the state!

So why should footballers with a genuine talent in a profession that generates millions for the state every year be any different??
It will never happen its a form of discrimination and contradicts the whole idea of the EU and freedom to go where you want within the union!
There will be all sorts of human rights lawsuits taken against such a rule,it would be a mess!

But no-one's saying that cant work in this country! - anyone can still come across, and this isn't an infringement on that freedom. They want to perform a particular job for a particular company (eg football for blackburn rovers) - no-ones stopping them doing that. For this example blackburn would still be able to play 5 'foreign' players in every single game, so if they are good enough, they will play every game. It’s the clubs decision whether to sign a player of not. And if they do sign him, its up to them whether they play him or not.

Human rights lawsuits wouldn't stand up in court. Its similar to the selection process (in terms of human rights laws) of playing international football. If the English FA wanted Torres to be playing for england, and if Torres wanted to play for England, neither could file a lawsuit just because he's not allowed to do so… He was born in Spain, but he earns a living in Liverpool and yet he's not allowed to play for england because of where he's born. The situation (in law) would be no different. Because there is nothing stopping clubs from SIGNING a foreign player, or playing a foreign player, there is no lawsuit to be had

by **Toffeehater** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:51 am

Uefa president and Fifa president hate English teams and the English league , cause deep down they know its the best league in the world

by **puroresu** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:07 am

if u are good enough u will make it. The rules are fine as it is. I dont buy all this it hurts the national side. England aint reached a major final in decades. With or without foreign players in the league. What needs to be looked at is the coaching. Get that right and u get results.

by **Number 9** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:25 am

Redman in wales wrote:
Number 9 wrote:No way I want this to happen!
Its legal for anyone from anywhere in the EU to come here and start work get a house and live as an honourary Brit!
Its also legal for them to come and not work and sponge off the state!

So why should footballers with a genuine talent in a profession that generates millions for the state every year be any different??
It will never happen its a form of discrimination and contradicts the whole idea of the EU and freedom to go where you want within the union!
There will be all sorts of human rights lawsuits taken against such a rule,it would be a mess!

But no-one's saying that cant work in this country! - anyone can still come across, and this isn't an infringement on that freedom. They want to perform a particular job for a particular company (eg football for blackburn rovers) - no-ones stopping them doing that. For this example blackburn would still be able to play 5 'foreign' players in every single game, so if they are good enough, they will play every game. It’s the clubs decision whether to sign a player of not. And if they do sign him, its up to them whether they play him or not.

Human rights lawsuits wouldn't stand up in court. Its similar to the selection process (in terms of human rights laws) of playing international football. If the English FA wanted Torres to be playing for england, and if Torres wanted to play for England, neither could file a lawsuit just because he's not allowed to do so… He was born in Spain, but he earns a living in Liverpool and yet he's not allowed to play for england because of where he's born. The situation (in law) would be no different. Because there is nothing stopping clubs from SIGNING a foreign player, or playing a foreign player, there is no lawsuit to be had

People have a right to work in a job where they want doing what they want in the Union!
To say to a player you cannot go to LFC when he has a desire to go there,because they have the maximum number of foreigners is a form of discrimination.
ie The player is being judged unfit to work where he desires because of his nationality.

If i go to Bordeaux in France and want to work somewhere and they said to me "Sorry you cant work here because you are not from France"I could sue them regardless if there was a job that suited me in Lyon that would employ me!

Looked at from another way,if for example Marks and Spencer said from now on 60% of our workers must be British Nationals in our UK branches it would be wrong,people would be being denied working where they wanted because of nationality!
Just because football is a sport it does not have a right to dictate laws that are illegal in the rest of society!

Its a load off Bu'llshite because the Continentals are petrified that British teams are going to dominate Europe,no other reason for it.All their best players are heading here and more will as dominance grows,they dont like that!

by **Redman in wales** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:44 am

Number 9 wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
Number 9 wrote:No way I want this to happen!
Its legal for anyone from anywhere in the EU to come here and start work get a house and live as an honourary Brit!
Its also legal for them to come and not work and sponge off the state!

So why should footballers with a genuine talent in a profession that generates millions for the state every year be any different??
It will never happen its a form of discrimination and contradicts the whole idea of the EU and freedom to go where you want within the union!
There will be all sorts of human rights lawsuits taken against such a rule,it would be a mess!

But no-one's saying that cant work in this country! - anyone can still come across, and this isn't an infringement on that freedom. They want to perform a particular job for a particular company (eg football for blackburn rovers) - no-ones stopping them doing that. For this example blackburn would still be able to play 5 'foreign' players in every single game, so if they are good enough, they will play every game. It’s the clubs decision whether to sign a player of not. And if they do sign him, its up to them whether they play him or not.

Human rights lawsuits wouldn't stand up in court. Its similar to the selection process (in terms of human rights laws) of playing international football. If the English FA wanted Torres to be playing for england, and if Torres wanted to play for England, neither could file a lawsuit just because he's not allowed to do so… He was born in Spain, but he earns a living in Liverpool and yet he's not allowed to play for england because of where he's born. The situation (in law) would be no different. Because there is nothing stopping clubs from SIGNING a foreign player, or playing a foreign player, there is no lawsuit to be had

People have a right to work in a job where they want doing what they want in the Union!
To say to a player you cannot go to LFC when he has a desire to go there,because they have the maximum number of foreigners is a form of discrimination.
ie The player is being judged unfit to work where he desires because of his nationality.

If i go to Bordeaux in France and want to work somewhere and they said to me "Sorry you cant work here because you are not from France"I could sue them regardless if there was a job that suited me in Lyon that would employ me!

Looked at from another way,if for example Marks and Spencer said from now on 60% of our workers must be British Nationals in our UK branches it would be wrong,people would be being denied working where they wanted because of nationality!
Just because football is a sport it does not have a right to dictate laws that are illegal in the rest of society!

But its not though mate.

I see your points, but the 6+5 rule is not saying that at all. The 6+5 rule does not say you can't come and work in this country if the are not born here. The rule does not stop clubs from signing foreign players, from paying the wage of foreign players or from playing foreign players. That is the point!!

Using your example: the rules doesn't say "Sorry you cant work here because you are not from France" - teams can still sign, pay wages of and field foreign players - So there is no infringment of any laws.

by **monkey 20** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:48 am

it's quite obvious that that quality of football shall diminish significantly in the EPL... any supporter of liverpool has GOT to see this as a bad idea. yes maybe we'll have a chance to win the title maybe even more, but that can be argued against too. club like man u and chealski are so rich that they can afford then to go out and buy the best english talent out there. this rule will do nothing apart from making the quality of football in our league even worse. the rich clubs will stay where they are and the 'lesser' team will still have no chance of winning the league. money talks im afraid, and there's feck all mr blatter or anyone else can do about it! yes, the national team might improve tho - and thats the only positive i can take out of the 6+5

by **Redman in wales** » Wed May 28, 2008 12:36 pm

Again thinking about whether it is actually legal to do this or not

Do Spain and France still limit the number of foreign players on each team? I know this is only non-EU players, but surely the principle is the same??

by **ivor_the_injun** » Wed May 28, 2008 12:41 pm

I think it's a good idea in terms of what it's trying to achieve, but the rigidity of 6+5 in your STARTING line-up could cause massive practical problems.

What if you have an English keeper as first choice, and he pulls up during the warm-up? If your back-up is from overseas, suddenly you'd need to swap out a foreign outfield player just to abide by the rules, possibly at very, very short notice. That can't be good for the game.

Personally I think it'd be far more sensible to have a quota based on your matchday squad. Have squads of 18 for matchday, and no less than half should be from overseas. That would encourage clubs to blood youngsters from their own country, and I certainly don't think it'd hurt a club like ours - we've got homegrown reserves now that wouldn't disgrace the bench. Forcing clubs to start such players to start though would be appalling for the game.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:05 pm

I'm against it.

This 6 plus 5 thing will obviously make the prem a worse league, and it wont make the England team any better. We last won the WC in 66. Since then we havent won f.a and the influx of foreign players didnt really happen until the early to mid 90's. So between 66 and 90 where do you lay the blame of us failing in WC's?

Not the foreigners they werent around then, English players are expensive and overated.

UEFA dont like the fact the EEnglish league is the richest in the world and can buy all he talent and make a good advert for football, Platinini loves that doesnt he ¬

by **heimdall** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:12 pm

So do we all except that English players aren't good enough then :eyebrow

I can see the merit of this sytem but I'm not sure it's workable. In my opinion a club would probably rather have a home grown player than an import but if the qaulity is not there then it's not there and the introduuction of this rule won't change that. The governament and prem clubs should be ploughing more money into schemes which get children playing sports with proper coaching etc.

by **red187** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:14 pm

I am in favour of this proposal, but I cant see it working.

The rich clubs in England, Spain and Italy will continue to dominate their respective leagues, they will still be able to purchase the best talent available to them.

How long before the Big four clubs in England start poaching from the smaller English clubs the way they have been doing to the ones in spain and france.

Surely it will lead to the weaker clubs getting weaker having their youth players stolen away before they have a chance to repay the club that has nutured them.

The only way to avoid it would be to make it impossible for youth players to transfer to another club unless their parent club doesn't want them or they have played a minimum of 50 games for the clubs

by **Sabre** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:28 pm

As a Liverpool fan, against it. For reasons already mentioned in this thread.

As for Real Sociedad fan, against it. It won't protect youth system clubs despite it seems appropiate for that. The inmediate consequence of this will be Real Madrid plundering our youth systems, and getting the Xabi Alonsos before they reach the first team.

As for the "we want to protect national squads" bóllocks, IMHO, Spanish players are more complete and richer when they grow and learn in foreign leagues. Same applies for coaches.

No matter where I look at the proposal, I see flaws, as a humble club fan, as a Liverpool fan, as a national team fan.

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