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by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:59 am

peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:as for washing dirty linen in public, rafa started that one mate with his 'i am focusing on my team" interview which led hicks to come out and discuss what the argument was about.

Rafa said that after finding out they had spoken to Klinnsman.

if that is true then rafa should have dealt with that internally. and again i fail to see what they did wrong there, they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

Do you really beleive that or does it fit with your Hicks bias ?

IF they thought Rafa was looking to leave why have none of them mentioned it - ever ?

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:59 am

Boocity wrote:
peewee wrote:
Boocity wrote:Peewee, I really cannot fathom why you believe Hicks as sole owner would take us forward. You want Rafa, parry & GG out, hicks to take over and everything is hunky dory.

1. Rafa out - Who to replace him and how long do we give this guy to 'rebuild'
2. Parry out - Totally agree, probably a good administrator but thats all.
3. Hicks the great buinessman to take full control and laed us to world domination on and off the pitch.

Get real, show me his credentials that he has done this with any of the other sports clubs he owns. From what I have read they have gone backwards. I do not know if DIC would prove any better but two things, they would'nt wash their dirty laundry in public and they do have the financial back up.

i never said i believe he will take us forward, however with all the others out the way we can judge him based on him solely and take away any excuses.

as for washing dirty linen in public, rafa started that one mate with his 'i am focusing on my team" interview which led hicks to come out and discuss what the argument was about.

the point i am trying to make is that there are bigger issues at the club than the owners yet everyone wants to focus on the owners and blame them for the dross on the pitch earlier in the season. lets not confuse the two issues.

I am not confusing the two issues, yes we did have dross on the pitch earlier in the season but now we are playing well and winning, why would you want the manager out now.

IMHO the off the pitch issues have gone too far and its time time for them all to go so we can draw a line under the whole sorry episode. If Hicks stays and takes full control this media circus will never end, he is not the type to take a back seat like the Glazers have.

on a lighter note, this was posted on the Sky Sprts website a take on 'I will survive'

'Go on now go Tom, Walk out the door, don't turn around now, your not welcome anymore, how I long for you to crumble, and for DIC to break down the door'.

we also went through a good spell mate the last few seasons when rafa put out a settled team, yet the following season he started with his over rotation again which resulted in the dross you mentioned. i feel he will do exactly the same next season

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:02 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:as for washing dirty linen in public, rafa started that one mate with his 'i am focusing on my team" interview which led hicks to come out and discuss what the argument was about.

Rafa said that after finding out they had spoken to Klinnsman.

if that is true then rafa should have dealt with that internally. and again i fail to see what they did wrong there, they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

Do you really beleive that or does it fit with your Hicks bias ?

IF they thought Rafa was looking to leave why have none of them mentioned it - ever ?

and if they did mention it you would have accused them of washing their dirty linen in public.

and lets clear this up, I have no affinity with hicks, i do however feel he is blamed for many things he shouldnt be and was blamed by many to distract from the garbage we were watching on the pitch. my opinion. lets see how he works on his own

by **Ciggy** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:03 am

Hicks and his entourage are coming to the Chelsea game on tuesday.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:07 am

Peewee this is not about Raffa Benitez and which team he puts out and when were gonna win this or that this is about the future of Liverpool Football club .

While this fella is in charge we could have no future apart from being owned by a bank

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:07 am

peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:as for washing dirty linen in public, rafa started that one mate with his 'i am focusing on my team" interview which led hicks to come out and discuss what the argument was about.

Rafa said that after finding out they had spoken to Klinnsman.

if that is true then rafa should have dealt with that internally. and again i fail to see what they did wrong there, they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

Do you really beleive that or does it fit with your Hicks bias ?

IF they thought Rafa was looking to leave why have none of them mentioned it - ever ?

and if they did mention it you would have accused them of washing their dirty linen in public.

and lets clear this up, I have no affinity with hicks, i do however feel he is blamed for many things he shouldnt be and was blamed by many to distract from the garbage we were watching on the pitch. my opinion. lets see how he works on his own

so you admit no one has confirmed this and you made it up ?

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:11 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:as for washing dirty linen in public, rafa started that one mate with his 'i am focusing on my team" interview which led hicks to come out and discuss what the argument was about.

Rafa said that after finding out they had spoken to Klinnsman.

if that is true then rafa should have dealt with that internally. and again i fail to see what they did wrong there, they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

Do you really beleive that or does it fit with your Hicks bias ?

IF they thought Rafa was looking to leave why have none of them mentioned it - ever ?

and if they did mention it you would have accused them of washing their dirty linen in public.

and lets clear this up, I have no affinity with hicks, i do however feel he is blamed for many things he shouldnt be and was blamed by many to distract from the garbage we were watching on the pitch. my opinion. lets see how he works on his own

so you admit no one has confirmed this and you made it up ?

so if no one has confirmed or denied it why do you seem so confident that your belief is correct?

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:12 am

NANNY RED wrote:Peewee this is not about Raffa Benitez and which team he puts out and when were gonna win this or that this is about the future of Liverpool Football club .

While this fella is in charge we could have no future apart from being owned by a bank

surely what happens on the pitch is a very big part in what happens in the future of this club nanny

by **THEBARON** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:13 am

If there is 1 positive thing that has come out of the recent Hick outbursts it is the fact that Rick Parry's effectiveness has been put into question.
I want Hicks out - but I don't want that to be at the expense of keeping Parry.During his tenure we have won trophies but at the same time there have been some :censored:

ups
* The infamous partnership decision with Evans and Houllier
* The decision to let Houllier continue in 2003
* The decision to continue to buy Cisse when Houllier had left
* The indecision with Steve Gerrard post Istanbul that nearly saw him leaving
* The Athens ticket fiaco
* Taking 2 to 3 years to try and find potential investors in the club
* When he finally found someone , looks like he made another cras decision.
Because of Parry and Moores being seduced by the dollar we now find ourselves in a worrying position..
* The Liverpool Way of doing things has become a thing of the past as all our dirty linen is being very publicly washed.
* Doubts over our long term future as we are now in debt.
* Doubts over the position of the manager.
* Doubts about whether the stadium will be built.
* Doubts about whether we will be able to attract new players given resources and the perceived media view of our people in charge.
In the short term all we can do is back the players on the pitch but the long term picture is unclear.
Walk On.
ps It just shows the insensitivity of Hicks to start all this :censored:

at the same time as the anniversary of Hillsborough. At a time when reds should be united in remembering lost ones we are in turmoil.

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:16 am

peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:as for washing dirty linen in public, rafa started that one mate with his 'i am focusing on my team" interview which led hicks to come out and discuss what the argument was about.

Rafa said that after finding out they had spoken to Klinnsman.

if that is true then rafa should have dealt with that internally. and again i fail to see what they did wrong there, they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

Do you really beleive that or does it fit with your Hicks bias ?

IF they thought Rafa was looking to leave why have none of them mentioned it - ever ?

and if they did mention it you would have accused them of washing their dirty linen in public.

and lets clear this up, I have no affinity with hicks, i do however feel he is blamed for many things he shouldnt be and was blamed by many to distract from the garbage we were watching on the pitch. my opinion. lets see how he works on his own

so you admit no one has confirmed this and you made it up ?

so if no one has confirmed or denied it why do you seem so confident that your belief is correct?

Stop wriggling and answer the question.

Do you admit that your statement that:

they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

was totaly made up by you to support your anti Rafa bias ?

by **tubby** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:17 am

Alan Kennedy was just on SSN. He didnt look a happy chappy.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:18 am

Hicks quotes

'When it appeared we were in danger of not advancing in the Champions League, we were not playing well in the Premier League and there were communications issues between Rafa and ourselves over the January window, George and I met Jurgen Klinsmann to learn as much as we could about English and European football,' he said.

'He is a very impressive man. We attempted to negotiate an option with him as an insurance policy, to have him become our manager in the event of Rafa leaving for Real Madrid or any other of the clubs rumoured in the UK press, or in case our communication problems spiralled out of control, for some reason. We never reached an agreement on an option, and we are pleased for him that he has an opportunity to return to Germany and coach a great club team.

'After George and I had a long and productive meeting with Rafa, following the United match, we put all our issues behind us and received a commitment from Rafa that he wanted to stay. Rafa has the support of both of us, and our communication has greatly improved.'

BTW I agree wholeheartedly with Ciggy. Hicks should f.off

by **andy_g** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:20 am

the one thing we know for certain about hicks is that he will borrow heabily to finance his 'ownership' of the club. he is well known in the business world as someone who uses other people's money to line his own pockets and it is a stone cold fact that until a few months ago he knew bugger all about the club, its history and the desires of its fans. whatever anyone's opinions on rafa, or parry or anyone else involved in this sorry mess, to decide to just plump for hicks 'to see what happens' is craziness. is that what a good business mind would do? go for an unproven owner with a history of profiteering and debt to see what would happen? i don't think so.

i don't believe that DIC are the solution either but at least they were going to matches before the issue of ownership was even raised.

its a sad sorry mess, the whole thing - and blame has to be shared between the americans, and parry and moores aswell. the only person getting on with his job in an honourable fashion is the manager. and thank fuck for that.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:20 am

peewee wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Peewee this is not about Raffa Benitez and which team he puts out and when were gonna win this or that this is about the future of Liverpool Football club .

While this fella is in charge we could have no future apart from being owned by a bank

surely what happens on the pitch is a very big part in what happens in the future of this club nanny

but weres the money coming from to take there cause hes got none . Banks . More intrest payments . No transfer funds. The mans a liar and a coniving little :censored:

i really cant believe some have actually fell for this latest spin by him.

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:23 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:as for washing dirty linen in public, rafa started that one mate with his 'i am focusing on my team" interview which led hicks to come out and discuss what the argument was about.

Rafa said that after finding out they had spoken to Klinnsman.

if that is true then rafa should have dealt with that internally. and again i fail to see what they did wrong there, they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

Do you really beleive that or does it fit with your Hicks bias ?

IF they thought Rafa was looking to leave why have none of them mentioned it - ever ?

and if they did mention it you would have accused them of washing their dirty linen in public.

and lets clear this up, I have no affinity with hicks, i do however feel he is blamed for many things he shouldnt be and was blamed by many to distract from the garbage we were watching on the pitch. my opinion. lets see how he works on his own

so you admit no one has confirmed this and you made it up ?

so if no one has confirmed or denied it why do you seem so confident that your belief is correct?

Stop wriggling and answer the question.

Do you admit that your statement that:

they spoke to a manager in the belief that rafa was looking to leave

was totaly made up by you to support your anti Rafa bias ?

prove to me this is wrong, not wriggling, this is a forum and as such is full of conjecture. are you suggesting they just spoke to jurgen for the sake of it?

we can use use mirrors and smokescreens leon but trying to back me into a corner to make me look foolish is futile, i have told you my belief and its not aimed and fooling people.

now lets look at your comment about rafa. you claim rafa behaved the way he did in an interview because he found out about klinsman, now correct me if i am wrong but that happened after he was told to concentrate on the players he has when he was asking for money to buy mash, hence his comment 'I am concentrating on my team'. it was only later the klinsman story came out when hicks revealed it. now based on the current situation rafa has only just found out who was in that meeting but you are claiming he knew about the meeting earlier.

now are you confused about time scales or are you using this to fuel your anti hicks bias?

wanna keep going round in circles leon to justify your unwarranted outburst on the previous page or do you want to also read what other posters are writing in this discussion?

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