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by **Rockthekop** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:12 pm

It's a tough call but I think Ronaldo will win the PPTY and Torres the YPTY. Torres deserves something for an outstanding season especially being his first in the Prem. I honestly don't care who wins the awards though. I'm just delighted Fernando Torres is a red!

by **GOAT** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:20 pm

Ronaldo is a cert for the player of the year award, i can see him winning the young player of the year too seeing as the media bum him and he has been pretty amazing this year

Hope they give Torres the young player of the year award though, deserves it after this season, he's been incredible

by **FernandoTorres9** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:42 pm

Just voted for Fernando on both i think he should get his first season in english football . he been top class all season

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:16 pm

Thingy wrote:Fo Dne, Masch has been our second best player this year. Cant think of a game where Xabi outplayed him, where I thought Xabi should play and not Masch. I dont agree with yer mate. All the hype Uniteds midfielders get, Masch deserves it. Hes world class.

How you can sit there and say Mascherano has been better than Gerrard is a joke to be honest.

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:19 pm

s@int wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Mascherano's not done nearly enough to suggest he should be in the running for the award.

The rose tinted specs on here is at times shocking. I personally don't see this love affair with him, people are making him out to be something he's not, a good player yes, but he's not undroppable. I wouldn't say he's any better than Xabi for a start.

Can't agree with you there mate. He may not have some of the tools that Xabi has in his locker and certainly has limitations in his use of the ball, but he is much better than Xabi (imo). He is more mobile, alert, better tackler, and arguably better positionally than Xabi and Plus the fact that half of Xabi's game seems to have been lost now that the opposition know that if you pressurise him he has neither the pace or ability to cope. I know you don't think pace is the be all and end all of football, but Masch has it and Xabi hasn't, and this does make Xabi easy to restrict.

If you noticed against Arsenal, as soon as Flamini went off, Hleb dropped back into midfield and Xabi had time and space to pick his passes, and had a great 5mins. As soon as Gilberto came on Hleb went back to closing Xabi down when we had the ball, and Xabi's passing game disappeared.

Mascher has probably been M.O.M more than any player this season, which is were I came in nominating him as runner up to Torres.

I'm not disputing the fact Mascherano's a good player. If you read between the lines I clearly said the opposite, I do rate him highly, as I do Alonso.

But my point was he's well overated by our own fans and has his limitations. I personally don't buy into all this media :censored:

and think there are alot of midfielders in the league with similar quality.

He's certainly not been one of the leagues best players this season.

by **Toffeehater** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:33 pm

s@int wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Mascherano's not done nearly enough to suggest he should be in the running for the award.

The rose tinted specs on here is at times shocking. I personally don't see this love affair with him, people are making him out to be something he's not, a good player yes, but he's not undroppable. I wouldn't say he's any better than Xabi for a start.

Can't agree with you there mate. He may not have some of the tools that Xabi has in his locker and certainly has limitations in his use of the ball, but he is much better than Xabi (imo). He is more mobile, alert, better tackler, and arguably better positionally than Xabi and Plus the fact that half of Xabi's game seems to have been lost now that the opposition know that if you pressurise him he has neither the pace or ability to cope. I know you don't think pace is the be all and end all of football, but Masch has it and Xabi hasn't, and this does make Xabi easy to restrict.

If you noticed against Arsenal, as soon as Flamini went off, Hleb dropped back into midfield and Xabi had time and space to pick his passes, and had a great 5mins. As soon as Gilberto came on Hleb went back to closing Xabi down when we had the ball, and Xabi's passing game disappeared.

Mascher has probably been M.O.M more than any player this season, which is were I came in nominating him as runner up to Torres.

top post , and i can't agree more with saint

As for the award i'm sorry but i don't see torres winning it , unlucky that he came the year where ronaldo has been extremely good . Maybe next year for torres , ronaldo will pick up both awards , voting for torres anywayz

by **Sabre** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:36 pm

I kind of agree Stu here.

I wouldn't have troubles with the massive praises Mascherano gets if I knew that in 2 years that won't become in dissapointment.

Mascherano is a great midfielder, of the same league of Xabi Alonso, he's an Argie international and that's saying a lot of things, it means you're indeed between the best 10 midfielders of the planet. I certainly agree in some of the strengths Saints comments, except the positional one, which I disagree radically.

But I found Alonso's praises in the first season exagerated. Way off the mark, overrated. In contrast, I think he's underrated now. Alonso has learned a lot of things these years and has grown as a player. But a bad day in the first season was quickly forgotten, a bad day today is enough to say he's been poor two seasons. The new guy syndrome, I call it.

As long as we don't start saying next season things like "Oh Mascherano never scores a goal", and things like that, then I'm fine with all these praises

by **zarababe** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:25 pm

Torres might well win the YP award !

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:31 pm

Torres may get YOUNG PLAYER OF THE YEAR, but there is no doubt Hyypia should get OLD PLAYER OF THE YEAR.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:47 pm

john craig wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
stmichael wrote:
john craig wrote:Ronaldo is flavour of the month with the media and to be fair scoring 30 goals as a winger is pretty phenomenal too.

the notion that ronaldo is a winger is one of the biggest myths in world football.

Agreed. Saw a piece the other week about how we'll all look back in a couple of years and laugh at the notion that Ronaldo ever played out wide. He's becoming more and more of a striker everyday--to the point where Ferguson pushed Rooney out wide and played Ronaldo up top away to Roma.

If he's not a winger then what is he?

He certainly doesn't lead the line up front, because receiving the ball with his back to goal is certainly not his game.

Granted he is not a wide midfielder because in United's formation he has next to no defensive responsibilities, but his starting position is definitely wide.

He is a winger, but he has licence to roam in what is a very flexible United front line.

This season he's played from wide, and he's also played starting up top, effectively as a striker e.g. Roma away. It's because he accelerates so quickly from wide positions that it appears as if he doesn't play from the wing, he does, and that's the starting position he's assumed on a number of occasions this season. Whilst he may not play as a winger all the time, he certainly has played from the wing this season, and can play as a traditional winger if need be - there just isn't a great need for it. The point about the flexibility of their front line sums it up pretty much - they have 5 or 6 players who you can basically put anywhere in attack and they'll perform, then you have Evra and Brown (to a lesser extent) willing to go on the overlap and cross - so there isn't as great a need for them to have an traditional winger who hogs the line and gets crosses in.

I don't really care much about individual awards, but Ronaldo probably deserves it, even though he's a bit of a c....t.

However, If Torres was supported by the same level of quality as him, I think there's a fair case to be put that he'd probably get it. I don't think the remainder of the UCL will have much of a bearing on who gets the award, the vote will be based on consistency of form in the league and Ronaldo stands out more than Torres because he's in a team who are top of the league, and a team who've been far more consistent than us.

by **redhayesy** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:47 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
s@int wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Mascherano's not done nearly enough to suggest he should be in the running for the award.

The rose tinted specs on here is at times shocking. I personally don't see this love affair with him, people are making him out to be something he's not, a good player yes, but he's not undroppable. I wouldn't say he's any better than Xabi for a start.

Can't agree with you there mate. He may not have some of the tools that Xabi has in his locker and certainly has limitations in his use of the ball, but he is much better than Xabi (imo). He is more mobile, alert, better tackler, and arguably better positionally than Xabi and Plus the fact that half of Xabi's game seems to have been lost now that the opposition know that if you pressurise him he has neither the pace or ability to cope. I know you don't think pace is the be all and end all of football, but Masch has it and Xabi hasn't, and this does make Xabi easy to restrict.

If you noticed against Arsenal, as soon as Flamini went off, Hleb dropped back into midfield and Xabi had time and space to pick his passes, and had a great 5mins. As soon as Gilberto came on Hleb went back to closing Xabi down when we had the ball, and Xabi's passing game disappeared.

Mascher has probably been M.O.M more than any player this season, which is were I came in nominating him as runner up to Torres.

I'm not disputing the fact Mascherano's a good player. If you read between the lines I clearly said the opposite, I do rate him highly, as I do Alonso.

But my point was he's well overated by our own fans and has his limitations. I personally don't buy into all this media and think there are alot of midfielders in the league with similar quality.

He's certainly not been one of the leagues best players this season.

no player is undroppable mate, but how many games
have you actually been to this season!
feck me mascherano has been outstanding for us
in many, many games (that isn"t rose tinted specs)
that"s a fact!
& another point is that he is a totally different
type of player to alonso, & plays a different role for
the side altogether, so to compare the two is
non - starter for me. both have outstanding
qualities,& both are as important as each other
in the way we approach different games, & how
we need to adjust to different games to get a
result. imho i"m not making him out to be somthing
he"s not! i don"t have, to he is world class & has
proved that on a consistant basis week in week out.
he may not be in the running for either award, but
one thing"s for sure he will defiently be in the running
for lfc player of the season award & rightly so!
i would defo put him ahead of alonso on that one.
just on the basis of consistancy.

by **Thingy** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:51 pm

s@int wrote:Torres may get YOUNG PLAYER OF THE YEAR, but there is no doubt Hyypia should get OLD PLAYER OF THE YEAR.

. Thats a good idea though I think although it was a joke Saint, an award for over 30's or somethin should be made.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:03 am

Fo Dne wrote:
s@int wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Mascherano's not done nearly enough to suggest he should be in the running for the award.

The rose tinted specs on here is at times shocking. I personally don't see this love affair with him, people are making him out to be something he's not, a good player yes, but he's not undroppable. I wouldn't say he's any better than Xabi for a start.

Can't agree with you there mate. He may not have some of the tools that Xabi has in his locker and certainly has limitations in his use of the ball, but he is much better than Xabi (imo). He is more mobile, alert, better tackler, and arguably better positionally than Xabi and Plus the fact that half of Xabi's game seems to have been lost now that the opposition know that if you pressurise him he has neither the pace or ability to cope. I know you don't think pace is the be all and end all of football, but Masch has it and Xabi hasn't, and this does make Xabi easy to restrict.

If you noticed against Arsenal, as soon as Flamini went off, Hleb dropped back into midfield and Xabi had time and space to pick his passes, and had a great 5mins. As soon as Gilberto came on Hleb went back to closing Xabi down when we had the ball, and Xabi's passing game disappeared.

Mascher has probably been M.O.M more than any player this season, which is were I came in nominating him as runner up to Torres.

I'm not disputing the fact Mascherano's a good player. If you read between the lines I clearly said the opposite, I do rate him highly, as I do Alonso.

But my point was he's well overated by our own fans and has his limitations. I personally don't buy into all this media and think there are alot of midfielders in the league with similar quality.

He's certainly not been one of the leagues best players this season.

I don't think mascherano is over-rated at all... and he's easily the best at what he does... and where's the media hype? the media rarely mentions mascherano...

by **Owzat** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:02 am

Diving portugese :censored:

will get the POTY, maybe Torres will get YPOTY. It's sad that no account will likely be taken of it being Torres' first season, or that he doesn't take our penalties. While I don't believe the Wisden way of never allowing someone to be nominated for an award twice, maybe they should stop people winning it two years in a row so that footballers all get a look in. And these days much will be based on reputation plus goals, so defenders and other top pros won't get a look in compared to higher profile players.

I was reading that fergie only won his 21st ever Premiership MOTM award, he's been in charge in the Premiership for 16 seasons so that is pretty feeble! But at least it shows there must be some consideration given. Perhaps the POTY should be based on monthly awards and then most seconds, thirds etc if there is a tie.

by **metalhead** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:06 am

Ronaldo the cheat got player of the year award

and the biggest surprise is that Fabregas won young player of the year award.

biggest bollox that is :no

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