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by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:45 pm

he has 7 assists in the league at least

by **JBM** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:00 am

Owzat wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I am one of few on here who think we've already had enough money to compete and that money doesn't guarentee you a title.

It's not what you spend it's how you spend it, Wenger proves that constantly by signing a squad at a fraction of the cost of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd yet wins the league. He doesn't win it every year, not even consecutive seasons, but given his spending he can't expect to dominate two superior spending powers.

What worries me is we spend a bit here, a bit there and after a season or two it's a different player we're spending a bit here, a bit there on. Same costs, different players, same outcome. Instead of buying quantity at £5m-£7m a time we should be buying quality. We may not be able to match the mancs and Chelsea for spending, but we're not going to win the league by filling the squad with mid-price players of dubious quality.

And why is it that line up our players price for price against Arsenal that we look like we've been had?

Adebayor £7m or Crouch £7m?
Rosicky £6.8m or Pennant £6.7m

It's a tad difficult to line many up as there are few players costing much more than £4m in the Arsenal squad. Player for player our's cost more, but their's perform more

Agree, we need to employ Wenger as a consultant.

by **Penguins** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:39 am

Kuyt has 4 assists in the league and no more.
Sure, Kuyt put in a good shift today but just cause he scores every 10th game and gets and assists every 10th game, how quick does people seem to forget?
I don't want to slate a players after a good performance, but
I still saw all the limitations to his game even today.
Once again he is a workhorse and works really hard.

But how can that be enough? Just working hard will not win trophies or league titles.
His 1st touch was as poor as every today and his passing was also poor. He has no pace still and creates very little.

He does once again work very hard as he did today but law of averages does say that once every now and then Kuyt will get a goal. The goal, once again a fruit of hard work is still waiting for that clean simple open play goal that an offensive player with class scores with relative ease.

All Kuyt lovers might think he is above all critisism and gets angry when he is critisized, just as angry do I become when all Kuyt lovers just tend to forget the last 10 games of absolutely nothing he produces.

Like Sissoko Kuyt is a hard working player who is really good to have vs skilled teams that has alot of posession like the top 3, Barca and such, but in the regular week to week play vs Reading, Birmingham and such he adds absolutely nothing to our team as he doesn't do anything in helping looking up defenses that plays with 10 men behind the ball.

Just astounded by how sheer hard work and very little skill in the actual game can make a player so loved and liked.

Like vs the blueshite at home. Thanks to Kuyt missing his usual number of chances and showing his usual lack of cutting edge in front of goal he runs like a maniac in the 92th minute
up and down the field and everyone loves Kuyt.

Is it so hard to not see his obvious lack of talent?
And if you are not blind and realize that he actually is lacking in so many areas, is hard work all that is needed?

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:52 am

As an attacking force, no, he's not good enough. But, at the moment, in our current formation, he gives the side shape & balance, and his workrate helps pressurize opponents--which is key to our tactical set-up. In this role, Kuyt's rightly keeping Pennant and Benayoun out of the team and he's offering the side more than Babel at the moment. So, I think people are praising his contribution while recognizing that we will need a much better attacker to fill that inside right role come the summer. Until then I think most people are comfortable with Kuyt in that role and are prepared to forgive him some of his obvious shortcomings now that he seems to have carved out at least a temporary niche for himself in the current system.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:02 am

Bad Bob wrote:As an attacking force, no, he's not good enough. But, at the moment, in our current formation, he gives the side shape & balance,

I've been saying this for ages now, Bob. No one listened.

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:26 am

Kuyts emergence as a right sided player in a midfield five raises as many questions as it does answers to be honest. The captain apart, from the players available he is clearly our best option for right midfield in this formation which really asks the question about the validity of Benayoun and Pennant. When you stick in Babel on the left who I must confess I am beginning to lose a bit of patience with a picture begins to emerge. He is also the best bet in his position yet clearly not good enough to be a permanent fixture there in a title winning team.

When you add up the respective transfer fees paid for Kuyt who is a failed forward, Babel who isn't a left midfielder, and Pennant and Benayoun who simply aren't up to it, you're probably talking about in excess of thirty million quids worth of players, and that's not even taking into account wages and the like. This for me graphically demonstrates the folly of buying "possibilities" and "options" players as opposed to specialists. It also goes to show that you simply dilute your funds by trying to build two teams and more and devoting yourself to the idea of mass rotation.

The money being talked about for this right back or for Alves is huge money, but at least we can hope that the guy will walk into the team and make an impact. This surely has to be the path to go down as of next season. Decisions have to be made. Babel, what's the story with him? Does rafa see him as a front player, and if he doesn't what does he see him as? He ain't ever going to make a quality left-sided midfielder I think we can all agree on that, and if the manager doesn't think he cuts it up top it might be time to cut some losses. I must add that I think the kid has got some talent, and if the manager thinks he will develop into a quality front player then fair enough. Similar story with the others, if they aren't really going to make it, then lets get some players in who are.

As for kuyt though, last night he was excellent and good luck to him. It doesn't thoguh alter my personal opinion that he isn't good enough in the long term to feature on a permanent basis in Liverpools team, or indeed any other which has serious pretensions of winning the league title. This applies in spades as a front player, and to a lesser extent as a right midfielder.

by **Owzat** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:40 am

Penguins wrote:Kuyt has 4 assists in the league and no more.
Sure, Kuyt put in a good shift today but just cause he scores every 10th game and gets and assists every 10th game, how quick does people seem to forget?

People don't 'forget', they mostly make it up as they go along like you have. You have cited two verifiable facts and not even checked them. And there was me thinking April Fools was the 1st.......

According to FPL Kuyt has three goals and seven assists in the Premiership. So you're wrong on the first point.

And Kuyt has scored three in his last eleven games so again you're way off the mark. If you're going to talk utter rubbish please consider yourself a manc fan or a bitter. Yes Kuyt is not prolific, bit difficult to be in his new role, but he's not scoring every 10th game and only a complete tool would suggest he is.

And the fact that Liverpool have lost once and won eight of the last ten suggests that the team is performing and he's been in it. He may have done little in some of those games and I bet he's not the only one considering few Liverpool players have shown title class this season

by **tifosodellamaglia** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:34 am

Hi all,
i am a TORINO FC fan (www.torinofc.it) and i like very much english football.
I've seen some Liverpool games and i've seen Arsenal-Liverpool too.
I am very impressionated by Kuyt, he's a big hearted player, and i find him good as forward and good in defensive game too.
Who i don't like is Babel, too much evanescent, what can u tell me about him ? Why Benitez let him play so much ?

by **Judge** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:39 am

Emerald Red wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:As an attacking force, no, he's not good enough. But, at the moment, in our current formation, he gives the side shape & balance,

I've been saying this for ages now, Bob. No one listened.

its nothing to do with what you said about kuyt

by **maguskwt** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:12 am

tifosodellamaglia wrote:Who i don't like is Babel, too much evanescent, what can u tell me about him ? Why Benitez let him play so much ?

because he's fast and he currently suits the formation we play now which is 4-2-3-1. And as much as us fans complain about him the opposing teams seem to take him seriously and mark him out. He's a fast player who can be dangerous but unfortunately he's not playing to his full potential...

by **Scottbot** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:24 am

Penguins wrote:Kuyt has 4 assists in the league and no more.
Sure, Kuyt put in a good shift today but just cause he scores every 10th game and gets and assists every 10th game, how quick does people seem to forget?
I don't want to slate a players after a good performance, but
I still saw all the limitations to his game even today.
Once again he is a workhorse and works really hard.

But how can that be enough? Just working hard will not win trophies or league titles.
His 1st touch was as poor as every today and his passing was also poor. He has no pace still and creates very little.

He does once again work very hard as he did today but law of averages does say that once every now and then Kuyt will get a goal. The goal, once again a fruit of hard work is still waiting for that clean simple open play goal that an offensive player with class scores with relative ease.

All Kuyt lovers might think he is above all critisism and gets angry when he is critisized, just as angry do I become when all Kuyt lovers just tend to forget the last 10 games of absolutely nothing he produces.

Like Sissoko Kuyt is a hard working player who is really good to have vs skilled teams that has alot of posession like the top 3, Barca and such, but in the regular week to week play vs Reading, Birmingham and such he adds absolutely nothing to our team as he doesn't do anything in helping looking up defenses that plays with 10 men behind the ball.

Just astounded by how sheer hard work and very little skill in the actual game can make a player so loved and liked.

Like vs the blueshite at home. Thanks to Kuyt missing his usual number of chances and showing his usual lack of cutting edge in front of goal he runs like a maniac in the 92th minute
up and down the field and everyone loves Kuyt.

Is it so hard to not see his obvious lack of talent?
And if you are not blind and realize that he actually is lacking in so many areas, is hard work all that is needed?

You're a bit deluded if you ask me. You're talking about Kuyt Lovers!?! Don't be stupid. Just because posters on here (myself included) choose to recognise and praise Kuyt's performance the other night it does not mean we now think he is up to the job, that we should forget the gash he has produced for much of the season and that he is now the answer to all our problems. What is does mean is that:

- He's had a lousy season, he's taken a shi..t..e load of criticism (probably more than he deserves) and most fans are happy to see him bounce back and contribute to the team. That's the Liverpool way isn't it?

- You can't help but admire his fight, heart and passion when he puts on the Red Shirt. If only a few more (with more talent) could show that on a regular basis we'd be in better shape than we are now. If one of us suddenly got the opportunity to play for our beloved Reds I imagine we would put in the same sort of effort as Deadly Dirk.

- Everyone can see his lack of talent mate. We're not bloody stupid and don't need to you to shout the odds and show us the light. It's bloody obvious. But in the mean-time I'm happy to give a guy a bit of credit for his improved performances the past couple of months and if (as on Wednesday) he turns in a MOM performance I will give him credit for it.

by **JC_81** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:23 am

Scottbot wrote:
Penguins wrote:Kuyt has 4 assists in the league and no more.
Sure, Kuyt put in a good shift today but just cause he scores every 10th game and gets and assists every 10th game, how quick does people seem to forget?
I don't want to slate a players after a good performance, but
I still saw all the limitations to his game even today.
Once again he is a workhorse and works really hard.

But how can that be enough? Just working hard will not win trophies or league titles.
His 1st touch was as poor as every today and his passing was also poor. He has no pace still and creates very little.

He does once again work very hard as he did today but law of averages does say that once every now and then Kuyt will get a goal. The goal, once again a fruit of hard work is still waiting for that clean simple open play goal that an offensive player with class scores with relative ease.

All Kuyt lovers might think he is above all critisism and gets angry when he is critisized, just as angry do I become when all Kuyt lovers just tend to forget the last 10 games of absolutely nothing he produces.

Like Sissoko Kuyt is a hard working player who is really good to have vs skilled teams that has alot of posession like the top 3, Barca and such, but in the regular week to week play vs Reading, Birmingham and such he adds absolutely nothing to our team as he doesn't do anything in helping looking up defenses that plays with 10 men behind the ball.

Just astounded by how sheer hard work and very little skill in the actual game can make a player so loved and liked.

Like vs the blueshite at home. Thanks to Kuyt missing his usual number of chances and showing his usual lack of cutting edge in front of goal he runs like a maniac in the 92th minute
up and down the field and everyone loves Kuyt.

Is it so hard to not see his obvious lack of talent?
And if you are not blind and realize that he actually is lacking in so many areas, is hard work all that is needed?

You're a bit deluded if you ask me. You're talking about Kuyt Lovers!?! Don't be stupid. Just because posters on here (myself included) choose to recognise and praise Kuyt's performance the other night it does not mean we now think he is up to the job, that we should forget the gash he has produced for much of the season and that he is now the answer to all our problems. What is does mean is that:

- He's had a lousy season, he's taken a shi..t..e load of criticism (probably more than he deserves) and most fans are happy to see him bounce back and contribute to the team. That's the Liverpool way isn't it?

- You can't help but admire his fight, heart and passion when he puts on the Red Shirt. If only a few more (with more talent) could show that on a regular basis we'd be in better shape than we are now. If one of us suddenly got the opportunity to play for our beloved Reds I imagine we would put in the same sort of effort as Deadly Dirk.

- Everyone can see his lack of talent mate. We're not bloody stupid and don't need to you to shout the odds and show us the light. It's bloody obvious. But in the mean-time I'm happy to give a guy a bit of credit for his improved performances the past couple of months and if (as on Wednesday) he turns in a MOM performance I will give him credit for it.

Spot on Scott.

Kuyt isn't good enough long term, and by that I mean next season. But his performances of late have been admirable and he deserves some credit.

by **Richj** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:31 am

I just feel sorry for Crouch, what has he done so wrong ?, especially having to watch Kuyt get picked every game on the bad form he is in.

by **HacksawJimDuggin** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:14 pm

Richj wrote:I just feel sorry for Crouch, what has he done so wrong ?, especially having to watch Kuyt get picked every game on the bad form he is in.

I can't see Crouch hanging about for long. He must be seriously p*ssed seeing Voronin go on before him on Wed night.

I don't think we can really argue the Kuyt v Crouch issue as Kuyt is no longer playing as a striker and more of an attacking midfielder/winger/striker and this is a position Crouch is not suitable in!

by **Richj** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:31 pm

I still think it should be Torres and Crouch up front together in every game, I can't see the opposition defense liking that pairing.

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