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by **parchpea** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:09 pm

I do wonder if Garragher may find himself playing full back if and when Agger returns from injury. He has certainly been trying him there lately maybe with a view to pairing the two younger players next season.

I think it would have been better if Benitez had played his most experience back line and stuck with Hyppia and Garragher at centre back, but that said I still think we would have lost the game but perhaps not to emphatically.

It was a mess all round yesterday and we did not help our cause with poor play and discipline but the bottom line is we where completely outplayed by a superior team, and Liverpool have a lot of work to try and close the gap that was so painfully evident in Manchester.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:24 pm

john1992 wrote:was gonna start a thread about this but dont know if its worth it

well my dad buys the sun (which we all know about)

today it has brandished Javier Mascherano as the "dumbest man on the Plannet"
i think this is really dissrespectful for not only one of our best players at the moment
but for an propserous up and coming midfielder. i Know mabie some of the stuff he said the ref yesterday may have been wrong but the sun were out of order and i really need to convince my dad to stop buying the sun but he wont

You shouldnt be even mentioning that S.hits name here lad never mind telling us whats in it

I see some people still need to be educated

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:24 pm

Masch was stupid and let the team down. SG was nowhere and scholes ran the midfield (I hate to say it but Scholes is Englands best midfielder since Gazza at his peak)

We couldn't play Hypia as the is too slow to be near Ronaldo.

I thought we were closer to Manure than yesterday showed, I struggle to think of anyone that played well. SG,Alonso were terrible so Torres got no supply and our defense looked vulnerable throughout.

I think that we are years away from winning the league and Manure will overtake our record of league titles

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by **Sabre** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:37 pm

The thing is Mascherano is Argentinian, and he has a hot blood. That very attribute is the one that makes him taking valiant decissions, that kind of attribute is a bless in 9 out of 10 games.

But yesterday we found a ref that made 2 uncommon things, yellow in the first tackle, and leaving with 10 men in the first half for a comment.

OK Mascherano must know that when you have a yellow you must be out of trouble, but I won't call stupid Mascherano for being his usual self. In 9 out of 10 games, he wouldn't have been sent off.

He didn't get a card when he defended his mate Arbeloa after a correct tackle, and he was angry, he faced the ref, and told him something aswell. But he didn't get a card. That's why I blame more the refs than Mascherano. In the same situations, he has never been sent off before. And the ref's decissions were strange at the least.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:40 pm

Big Niall wrote:I have never been as angry at a LFC player for getting sent off as I was with Masch.

How stupid can he be? he was lucky to only get a yellow for his first tackle, then every time he fouled he turned around and made jestures at the ref and linesman, when Torres got booked for dissent he then ran all the way over to the ref to argue with him (as if he'd take it back) when already on a yellow.

STUPID, STUPID,STUPID

he should never have been booked for the first tackle , it was his first foul and he knew he was late , studs were down and he tried to minimize the contact , scholes being a cu.nt made a meal outta it , the ref shud have just gave him a warning say look this is a high profile match , you were late thee this is your first and last warning anything else like that and you're going into the book but did he ? no? he pulled out a card and booked him and he was bias towards the mancs after that , scholes was obstrcuting the way deliberately and shud ahve been booked rooney adn rio were argueing with the ref and they shud have been booked , it all boils down to consistency and i'm afraid the ref got it horribly wrong yesterday

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:42 pm

Sabre wrote:The thing is Mascherano is Argentinian, and he has a hot blood. That very attribute is the one that makes him taking valiant decissions, that kind of attribute is a bless in 9 out of 10 games.

But yesterday we found a ref that made 2 uncommon things, yellow in the first tackle, and leaving with 10 men in the first half for a comment.

OK Mascherano must know that when you have a yellow you must be out of trouble, but I won't call stupid Mascherano for being his usual self. In 9 out of 10 games, he wouldn't have been sent off.

He didn't get a card when he defended his mate Arbeloa after a correct tackle, and he was angry, he faced the ref, and told him something aswell. But he didn't get a card. That's why I blame more the refs than Mascherano. In the same situations, he has never been sent off before. And the ref's decissions were strange at the least.

There's no question, mate, that Steve Bennett revels in flashing cards and that makes him a very poor official. That said, he's produced an ample enough body of work to date and Liverpool players should have known what they were up against. If knowing his reputation isn't enough Mascherano had the evidence in front of him: Torres got booked for dissent for having a quiet word so why would Masch decide to fly across the pitch to question that call while on a yellow? It was a kamikaze mission that he should have never taken on. :no

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:43 pm

Sorry Niall but i disagree with you on the Masherano bit i dont think he let the team down at all , Someone was gonna go from our team in this game i would of put my morgage on it,

Alot of pressure from the drunk in the build up in the newspapers and he was trying to rectify the mistake he made at the Spurs game , Lets just see how many other players get sent off for dissent from now on . Not many i think.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:46 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Sorry Niall but i disagree with you on the Masherano bit i dont think he let the team down at all , Someone was gonna go from our team in this game i would of put my morgage on it,

Alot of pressure from the drunk in the build up in the newspapers and he was trying to rectify the mistake he made at the Spurs game , Lets just see how many other players get sent off for dissent from now on . Not many i think.

deffo not any manure players anywayz , ferguson is a b@stard and i will never have any respect for him

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:54 pm

Can somebody explain why a player on a yellow card, in the week with a load of talk about respect for referees, questioned every decision against us, and then ran across the pitch to give out to the referee who had just booked a player for giving out to him.

Unbelievably stupid.

One analyst (Johnny Giles) said a player should have fire in their belly but ice in their brain. Dead right! You have to control your emotions to get the best out of yourself.

I'm still furious with him (incase you can't tell).

I think the ref debate is a smokescreen, manure were a million miles better.

by **Reg** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:57 pm

I dont understand why people insist on defending Mascher. He was on a yellow and continued to mouth off, whether for this incedent or the next, he was going to walk. In the old days, the manager would have immediately substituted him to avoid the sending off.

Sabre, I agree. Argie hot blood and all reason and logic goes out of the window. However, he´s playing in the english league!

by **nobybob** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:11 pm

Big Niall wrote:Can somebody explain why a player on a yellow card, in the week with a load of talk about respect for referees, questioned every decision against us, and then ran across the pitch to give out to the referee who had just booked a player for giving out to him.

Unbelievably stupid.

One analyst (Johnny Giles) said a player should have fire in their belly but ice in their brain. Dead right! You have to control your emotions to get the best out of yourself.

I'm still furious with him (incase you can't tell).

I think the ref debate is a smokescreen, manure were a million miles better.

You know what lad you completity :censored:

me off , nothing good ever to say about the team you are supposed to support LIVERPOOL but loads of praise for the mancs-- when was the last time 10 men beat united at old trafford ?? And I'm not just talking about this thread only but most threads all you do is criticise criticise and more criticising. Personally i think your probably not even a scouser because you actually seem to take pleasure from having something negative to comment on. You sound more like a manc or a yank to me (were does the BIG come from ) i tend to find that most people who call them selves big really mean to say FAT!!!

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:19 pm

I'm somebody who is capable of thinking.

Just because I WANT LFC to play Manure off the pitch and to be a much better team doesn't make it so.

Saying that Manure team are better (look at the table) doesn't mean I like it that way. Saying we were robbed by the ref to lose to those f*ckers yet again doesn't do any good. You don't lose six or seven times to a team in a row without scoring a single goal due to luck or one referee decision.

Just like an alco, you have to admit something is wrong before you can fix it.

I am a moaning f*cker, but many others are blind to the truth.

The "big" is because I'm 6 ft 3, I am athletic - defo not a chubster. :rasp

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:24 pm

So he books Torres for asking why he was bein batterd , They were doing a gbh job on him yesterday. Not one manc gets booked for that, Ronaldo was diving all over the place, Rooney told the ref to :censored:

off many times, And droopy gob Ferdinand how many times was he in the refs ear, did they get booked for what they did , Not a chance ,I watched the highlights on MOTD last night and even Gerrard was telling the ref to :censored:

off, in the second half,

Any good ref worth his salt would of pulled Stevie to one side and told him to have a word with Masher , Youve only got to look at the Cole incident where Styles was telling him to calm down after he made that leg breaking tackle, Im sure a word from Stevie or Carra in Mashers ear would of benefitted the lad.

It looks like Masherano is gonna be slaughted for this and imo its a joke,

The lads a winner and plays like a winner its a shame some of the other players out there yesterday didnt have hes winning mentality

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:34 pm

NANNY RED wrote:So he books Torres for asking why he was bein batterd , They were doing a gbh job on him yesterday. Not one manc gets booked for that, Ronaldo was diving all over the place, Rooney told the ref to off many times, And droopy gob Ferdinand how many times was he in the refs ear, did they get booked for what they did , Not a chance ,I watched the highlights on MOTD last night and even Gerrard was telling the ref to off, in the second half,

Any good ref worth his salt would of pulled Stevie to one side and told him to have a word with Masher , Youve only got to look at the Cole incident where Styles was telling him to calm down after he made that leg breaking tackle, Im sure a word from Stevie or Carra in Mashers ear would of benefitted the lad.

It looks like Masherano is gonna be slaughted for this and imo its a joke,

The lads a winner and plays like a winner its a shame some of the other players out there yesterday didnt have hes winning mentality

pssst....it was Reily not Styles. (both :censored:

refs I know)

But people seem to be trying to pass the blame onto someone else other than Mascheranho. He's 23 years old, he's been playing football from the age of 5, he's been playing in England for two years, surely he himself must realise that what he was doing was out of order. He must of known that he had to calm down. Also one man who is getting away with no blame is Benitez, I watched Sky's annaylsis on video last night and Benitez saw what was happening but didn't say a dickie bird until the sending off had happened. Why didn't he step and say something? Surely he has more power at the club than Gerrard. But I'm not blaming Benitez because it's still Mascheranho who takes the blame. We all saw Benitez, Alonso and Gerrard have a word after he was sent off and look how he reacted, he didn't calm down it fired him up more, who's to say if someone did have a word with him on the pitch it wouldn't of ended up in a scrap between the two players. Mascheranho was wrong and no one else was at fault for his sending off.

On Gerrard not saying anything, well if he had then got booked he'd of put himself at jepody again. Then he goes on and picks up another booking for defending another player people would of been saying that Gerrard shouldn't of got involved in the incidents. They were nothing to do with him. He can't win here.

It was Mascheranho who was at fault, not Gerrard, not Benitez, not Bennett but Mascheranho.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:00 pm

I cant argue anymore with this Masher fiasco some of us believe he did no wrong and others believe he was right to go weve all got our own take on it,

Just wait till the FA wanna make it more than what it is an give him a bigger ban, Well all be screaming at the injustice when hes missing for not just next week but for a few weeks.

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