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by **Toffeehater** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:59 am

mate wrong thread to be posting everton prediciton . I wants to meet the mancs in the cl final and i want us to knock them out

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:04 am

Toffeehater wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
red_guy wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
ARbeloa is sh!te and has been all season

What?

What ?

I tell ya what, that sentence is complete and utter tosh.

manure ahev evra , we have arbeloa . I know who would i take . Chelsea have bridge and cashley i would still take either 1 over arbeloa . Arsenal have sagna , eboue who are both in the prie bracket of arbeloa i would still take them . Face it , he gets pushed off the ball easily and is and would have been at fault for the first goal , he shud have closed rooney down . Kuyt had been helping him all afternoon and imagine if kuyt was not there . Complete and utter tosh my a$$

So one game, and he has been s.hit all season.

Carra was s.hit, worse than Arbeloa.

But Arbeloa is easy pickings hey :no

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:16 am

Apologies if i upset anyone last night ive calmed down now still hate the Bas.tard Bennett though.

If this happens it will be a :censored:

travesty

FA to throw book at Mascherano

· Midfielder refuses to go until Benítez intervenes
·

Andy Hunter at Old Trafford
Monday March 24, 2008
The Guardian

Liverpool's Javier Mascherano is likely to face a Football Association charge and an increased suspension for his furious reaction to being sent off at Manchester United yesterday. The midfielder was dismissed in the 43rd minute as United won 3-0 and increased their lead in the Premier League to five points.
United's dominant performance was overshadowed by an injury to Wayne Rooney which may result in his absence from England's friendly against France on Wednesday and by the extraordinary loss of self-control by Mascherano.

Already booked for a 10th-minute lunge on Paul Scholes, the 23-year-old Argentinian raced 20 yards to question Steve Bennett's decision to book Fernando Torres for dissent and received an identical punishment from the referee. The red card for two bookable offences means he is suspended for Sunday's derby with Everton but his reaction, refusing to leave the pitch and haranguing Bennett before being ushered down the tunnel by Peter Crouch and a physio, invited further punishment.
Only last week the FA appealed for greater respect for referees after Ashley Cole's insolence to Mike Riley when being booked at Tottenham Hotspur and it can charge Mascherano with improper conduct despite his dismissal. A guilty verdict would attract an extended suspension and possible fine for a player who had been integral to Liverpool's recent revival.

"He knows he made a mistake," said Rafael Benítez. "But to have that decision in a big game like this is difficult to understand. I spoke to him in Spanish. He kept telling me, 'I didn't say anything,' but I had to tell him it was over, finished. Mascherano is a fantastic professional and has been playing at the maximum level for years. He did not understand why he had been sent off. I just told

him, 'It's finished.'"

The Liverpool manager had to placate Mascherano after team-mates and coaches failed to curb the midfielder's rising anger at Bennett, who had been the fourth official at White Hart Lane last Wednesday. "It was a mistake to try to ask the referee having already been booked. He doesn't know the referees," added Benítez. "The player told me that he was asking what happened, and Ryan Babel told me the same, and to get sent off for that made him really, really surprised. He could not understand why. The player knows he made a mistake but in this kind of big game it is wrong to leave a team with just 10 players because one of them asked why."

Asked whether he feared the FA would make an example of Mascherano, Benítez said: "The player was only asking. I don't think to ask is a big problem."

Sir Alex Ferguson took a different view, saying the referee had no option but to dismiss the midfielder. "Dissent is dissent. I don't know why Mascherano came from central midfield to argue with the referee. With all the things that have happened this week with Ashley Cole, there has been a lot of attention on dissent and this was dissent."

United had been the superior side before Mascherano's expulsion and dominated thereafter, their profligacy sparing Liverpool until Cristiano Ronaldo scored his 34th goal of the season and Nani delivered an emphatic victory. "The sending-off gave us control of the game but we were the better team anyway," said Ferguson. "Rooney had three one-on-ones and Ronaldo missed two excellent chances. We played really well. We did our job."

Rooney ended the game nursing a knee injury which could prompt his withdrawal from Wednesday's friendly in Paris, although he did report for England duty. Torres is expected to miss Spain's friendly against Italy having been substituted because of rib and ankle injuries.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:35 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
red_guy wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
ARbeloa is sh!te and has been all season

What?

What ?

I tell ya what, that sentence is complete and utter tosh.

manure ahev evra , we have arbeloa . I know who would i take . Chelsea have bridge and cashley i would still take either 1 over arbeloa . Arsenal have sagna , eboue who are both in the prie bracket of arbeloa i would still take them . Face it , he gets pushed off the ball easily and is and would have been at fault for the first goal , he shud have closed rooney down . Kuyt had been helping him all afternoon and imagine if kuyt was not there . Complete and utter tosh my a$$

So one game, and he has been s.hit all season.

Carra was s.hit, worse than Arbeloa.

But Arbeloa is easy pickings hey

mate , i'm not only judging him on one game , he has not offered anything unlike the other fullbacks in the top 4 , his crossing is woeful , he gets pushed off the bal easily and yesterday he should have prevented rooney from getting that cross in . Evra pressured kuyt the whole match but kuyt got the cross in on a couple of ocassions , i think arbeloa needs to do that more . He's not a player in a title winning team , maybe just for rotation or injuries , bring on daniel alves

by **shanks72** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:38 am

RedorDead wrote:
redrover wrote:how sad am i , ive just spent the past 2 hours reading through these pots starting from just before the game till now.

some total and utter rubbish being posted but yet some other posters must be reading my mind and have restored my faith in this great club

it was a terrible result for us and a huge dissapointment but not the end of the world as we know it. some players were well of the pace today but have been great in recent times so we have to be balanced in our opinions despite the obvious disapointment.

masha made a mistake today but is an exceptional player and if others had of been as fired up as him in a more productive way today then the result would have been much different.

i hope raffa sits down with the players tommorow and go's through some of the key elements that cost us the game and reminds them that they are playing for a fantastic club and they need to have the personality to live with the expectations that comes with playing for this great club . its not all about skill ,talent etc you also need the right temprement to play at the highest level and control your aggression without losing your edge in the game.

we can move on from this and rescue something from this season and maybe we will see a repeat of what happend a couple of seasons ago when we got revenge on them in a cup competiton after a disapointing league game against them. its important that we the fans keep the faith and stay behind the lads for the rest of the season and see where we go from there .we are a great club and will overcome all adversity.

Unlike you I have not read this whole thread, I have long since given up bothering to read most posts on here, this forum still contains some very valid and balanced opinion but it is also full of complete idiots who do nothing but spout abuse and inflamatory rubbish!
For what it's worth (and I will no doubt get abuse for this) I think Masch was right to be sent off.....his first tackle was reckless and dangerous and the current climate was always going to get a yellow card.....and then he badgered the ref over and over and over until he told him to "f**k off!" once too often.
HOWEVER.....Masch's only real crime was being too fired up, he wanted this game badly and it meant something to him....if some had shown half teh determination he had we would have done a little better I think, just like redrover says. Gerrard was completely absent and the defence was all at sea from the outset....we need to learn from it, move on and go on and give a good showing in the European Cup now.....although with Arsenal out of it now I suspect our two legs against them are going to be even more fired up...KEEP YOUR HEAD MASCH!!!

I've only read this page of posts.....(just too tired to read the rest and I've got to get some reading glasses)...

But I agree with most of what yous are saying.

The Mascherano tackle did look bad (although I only saw it on the tv last night). So I can understand a yellow being given, esp. if the ref only saw the end of it. (Even if Masch was trying to avoid the guy).

However, what I find worrying is that the FA appear to have given refs a 'green light' to yellow card anything they deam as dissent.

I do not think that Masch should've been sent off, although he was in the ref's face and his language was bad. But I think that sometimes this is understandable if a player feels particularly agrieved about something. And refs should make allowances for this....which most of them do.

Some refs are going to have a policy of 'no tolerance', and I can see them booking players just because they haven't got the patience to deal with them, as it seemed with the Torres yellow....a total over-reaction on the part of the ref.

Players are gonna have to be so careful in future when they remonstrate with a ref. The results could be catastrofic, as we saw yesterday by the sending off.

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:43 am

Toffeehater wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
red_guy wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
ARbeloa is sh!te and has been all season

What?

What ?

I tell ya what, that sentence is complete and utter tosh.

manure ahev evra , we have arbeloa . I know who would i take . Chelsea have bridge and cashley i would still take either 1 over arbeloa . Arsenal have sagna , eboue who are both in the prie bracket of arbeloa i would still take them . Face it , he gets pushed off the ball easily and is and would have been at fault for the first goal , he shud have closed rooney down . Kuyt had been helping him all afternoon and imagine if kuyt was not there . Complete and utter tosh my a$$

So one game, and he has been s.hit all season.

Carra was s.hit, worse than Arbeloa.

But Arbeloa is easy pickings hey

mate , i'm not only judging him on one game , he has not offered anything unlike the other fullbacks in the top 4 , his crossing is woeful , he gets pushed off the bal easily and yesterday he should have prevented rooney from getting that cross in . Evra pressured kuyt the whole match but kuyt got the cross in on a couple of ocassions , i think arbeloa needs to do that more . He's not a player in a title winning team , maybe just for rotation or injuries , bring on daniel alves

I don't know about preventing Rooney from getting the cross in. They're playing 4-5-1 with rooney as the only striker and have nobody in the box, if he tracks out wide and wants to put a specualtive ball in I wouldn't be breaking my neck to close him down if it was me. Between the goalkeeper and the centre halves they ought to have dealt with it no problem.

I said earlier that I thought Skyrtel was at fault for both the first two goals and if you want a scapegoat (and I know some people are never happy without one) then either him or Reina would be a better shout than Arbeloa. You could also look at Aurelio for the first goal as he was guilty of trying to play too much football in a bad area and giving the ball away cheaply.

The manager will be having a good look at the defensive deficiencies which we displayed pretty much from the outset to be perfectly honest. Strangely we actually played Ronaldo and Giggs pretty well, but didn't deal at all well with set-pieces nor with long punts over the top the like of which got ronney in a couple of times. I think that by a distance our two centre halves were our weakest performers, although to be fair we never really got going anywhere on the pitch to tell the truth. Arbeloa though did Ok in my view, and has done pretty much all season.

by **poolboyuk** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:05 am

Earlier post had it right - too many didnt show today. Also despite winning seven on the bounce we havent convinced. Go past Torres and Gerrard and we are toothless in attack. Babel is showing signs but the others are simply either good but not great or simply :censored:

! Kuyt looks no better than Eric Meijer!

Football Focus Online

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:11 am

well at least the good news is torres will miss the spain game but i hope he does take part in the derby , why am i not surprised abt the rooney part eh?

by **Yari7** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:47 am

People who say babel posed no threat, really, he was our only threat int he frist half. He tried to run at their defenders and had succes,. He earned us 2 corners from his runs as he skuipped past brown and skipped past Scholes on 2 different occasion.

On antother occasion, he skipped past their player and earned us a free kick.

Babel along with Torres done as well as they could.

Babel showed me yesterday that he will be a very good player in the furture as he proved he could run at the top defenders in this league.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:53 am

I have never been as angry at a LFC player for getting sent off as I was with Masch. :angry:

How stupid can he be? he was lucky to only get a yellow for his first tackle, then every time he fouled he turned around and made jestures at the ref and linesman, when Torres got booked for dissent he then ran all the way over to the ref to argue with him (as if he'd take it back) when already on a yellow.

STUPID, STUPID,STUPID :angry:

by **Torres 2007** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:54 am

Sorry for calling some players pleb's yesterday. I was fuming and only saw red mist.

watched in a pub packed with mancs, and coz I hate them with a passion, it got the better of me.

I blame reina for the first goal, as he was never gonna get that ball, but if it wasnt for him, it could have been a few more.

sending off changed our tactics/ approach, end of story.

Bad day, but winning or losing that game hasnt effected us drastically.

We will still beat the blue noses.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:56 am

Manure are on a different level to us.

Watching the match the gulf in class was huge, We created nothing and if it wasn't for some great Reina stops we'd have been slaughtered.

Unfortunately, Reina really is weak on crosses, I've said it since the FA cup final against West Ham, that he is terrible on crosses. Feel bad that he was at fault for two goals as he stopped so many shots & one on ones.

MUST beat Everton, get 4th and then at the end of the season some tough decisions will have to be made.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:00 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
Torres 2007 wrote:Rafa should just ban Mascharano for the rest of the season, for punishment of costing us that game!

pleb.

he got lucky with that game at anfield when he pinched that guy in the nose who slapped him and then HE got sent off, a couple of weeks back.!

Bellend

why dob't u feck off will yea? Mascherano was only asking a question , babel confirmed that and he got sent off . Banning masch for the rest of the season is absolute bull i'm afraid

No class from some of the posters , after today i feel the only want still with abit of sense is emerald

Don't believe that sh*t that he was just asking a question. I haven't seen a manager have to defend such cr*p since GH claimed Fowler was not sniffing the line but was pretending to eat grass because they do that in training.

Masch should be intelligent enough to know that he is on a yellow and keep his mouth shout.

He definately blew it big time. :angry:

by **john1992** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:04 pm

was gonna start a thread about this but dont know if its worth it

well my dad buys the sun (which we all know about)

today it has brandished Javier Mascherano as the "dumbest man on the Plannet"
i think this is really dissrespectful for not only one of our best players at the moment
but for an propserous up and coming midfielder. i Know mabie some of the stuff he said the ref yesterday may have been wrong but the sun were out of order and i really need to convince my dad to stop buying the sun but he wont

by **Yari7** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:08 pm

The whole situation is an embarresment to the club. Having to see Benetiz come ont he pitch and talk to Macherano to calm him down.

Credit to Benetiz for his quick reaction in calming the situation down.

Hoever, it just looked embarrasing. I think Mascherano should apologize for his behaviour, and learn fromt his whole incident.

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