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by **106-1093504160** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:59 pm

i am a staunch LFC fan. Any player can be replaced. if they they could not be replaced then we'd be left with shanklys oldies still playing. no one player is bigger than liverpool. however, i do empathise with what u say kazza. nonetheless, liverpool will always move on, and i'm not bothered who plays for us as long as success happens. but i want gerrard to stay though

by **supersub** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:34 pm

well judged

by **ynwa** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:34 am

stevie g is going to real next year

by **stmichael** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:46 pm

i'm bumping this as it has relevance to today's game.

stevie is a fantastic player but i still don't think he's a great captain.

discuss.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:51 pm

Went missing again today imo same as always in manc games never stamped his authorithy as a captain at all im afraid i love him to bits but sometimes i wonder

I said ages ago Masherano future captain of this club ill stand by that

by **Sabre** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:53 pm

Ciggy wrote:We shall just have to enjoy him while we still have him im afraid because hes said himself when real come knocking u dont turn them down Ill be gutted if he goes but I prefer him abroad than have to face him 2 maybe 3 times a year in the prem, and all this talk about alonso being just as good etc is this getting us used to him not being there any more is that why raffa played him outwide against bolton to get alonso fitted in his spot? Maybe hell stay but Im 99% sure he will go to RM and hell say I gave it one more go and it didnt work out etc

Heh, next time we're worried about Gerrard's future, we must remember this post. Gerrard stayed.

St Michael, to be honest I don't think it's fair to bump this topic after this game and in a moment in which the defeat still irks us hardly.

Firstly because Gerrard's been playing well and he's been praised this weeks, it's not very fair to question his captaincy as a whole because of a game.

I've read a couple of posts in the match thread that wound me up aswell questioning his attitude. Complicated to play against 11 men, a good team. He's been put alongside Alonso in a second line of four midfielders and on front of him he had a team that presses better, much better than Arsenal do. Tough game, and he wasn't at his best, but definitely unfair to give too much stick to the lad.

We can discuss of course if he should have approached Mascherano or not, but not his captaincy IMHO. Torres PRECISELY has spoken repeteadly both in English and Spanish about how much he respects Gerrard and is respected. How good example is for everybody. Torres has said to be humbled by this two captains we have, and do not forget, he was the captain in a pretty important Spanish club.

I really hope Steve continues being our captain. I don't even consider not to be. Have you ever known in the history of the club a captain that has been demoted from that role after many years while still in the verge of his career? It's not a very common thing to see IMHO.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:57 pm

Didn't I start a similar topic called our next captain...it got locked pretty much instantly. The suggestions then were Carra (obviously) Agger (my choice) and Mascheranho.

I'd still give it to Agger. I've always liked the idea of a centre half as captain, especially one as good as Agger. I think other than Carra, we don't have a fella who's vocal and with Carra having maybe three years left at his best, we'd be looking for a replacement for him realtively quickly. So if we are to change skipper I'd go for Agger, but I'm more than happy with Gerrard as captain.

by **XSD** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:11 pm

You said in the first post Stevie G wasn't being allowed to 'develop'. He has started to now, working with Torres is what he needs, and whilst his performance today was not worthy of the armband (his displays against utd never are) he has been an inspirational captain in other games since you made this thread. We wouldn't be in the CL every season, we wouldn't have won it in 2005 and we wouldn't have won the FA cup if it wasn't for his leadership.

He let down Mascherano imo by not telling him what a :censored:

steve bennett is. Gerrard and the rest of the team seriously need to sort out this psychological united-syndrome we have. We are just expecting defeat from them, Mascherano and Torres were the only players looking to be in the spotlight today - shame the former was for the wrong reason.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:15 pm

XSD wrote:You said in the first post Stevie G wasn't being allowed to 'develop'. He has started to now, working with Torres is what he needs, and whilst his performance today was not worthy of the armband (his displays against utd never are) he has been an inspirational captain in other games since you made this thread. We wouldn't be in the CL every season, we wouldn't have won it in 2005 and we wouldn't have won the FA cup if it wasn't for his leadership.

He let down Mascherano imo by not telling him what a steve bennett is. Gerrard and the rest of the team seriously need to sort out this psychological united-syndrome we have. We are just expecting defeat from them, Mascherano and Torres were the only players looking to be in the spotlight today - shame the former was for the wrong reason.

Exellent post

by **Sabre** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:18 pm

Oh St Michael, I noticed you enjoyed to bring back some of my quotes on Torres the other day.

I may well be starting to look into the past, because you find some gems

Well I personally believe that Xabi Alonso could be the type of player we need as Captain.

This was written back then

by you. I think it's an interesting opinion. Because it reminds me how much praised was Alonso back then, even to the point to be considered a good captain candidate.

Then of course, that syndrome of the new signing faded out and he started to be "below par" every day and all that. Sometimes we set some very high standards when we have a new signing, and then we get tired of it when he's not up to that expectations.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:21 pm

XSD wrote:whilst his performance today was not worthy of the armband (his displays against utd never are)

2003 league cup Liverpool beat Man United. Gerrard ran the show for us from an attacking point of view (Dudek also kept us in the match in goal) Gerrard also scored a screamer in that match. A few years ago, Gerrard scored another screamer and ran the game against United (Fowler also scored) at Old Trafford.

So to say his displays against United are never good enough is total bollox. He's dragged us out of the :censored:

against United on a few occassions. He may of been quiet today, but so was the majority of the side, shall we drop all of them for the Everton game.

I accept it Gerrard's job to make the side tick and I've stated this in today's match thread. He was poor today, as bad as he has been for a long time, but he shouldn't be removed as captain. He's done a fantastic job as captain and the problem is, people are expecting him to do it every single time he picks the ball up. He isn't backed up enough from the rest of the side and hasn't been for a few good years now. If it's not Gerrard then it doesn't really happen for Liverpool, luckily he's had Torres this year to share the burdon of responsibilty with. But even now there are only two match winners on a regular basis and that's why we're fading out of reach, because we don't have enough players capable of winning a match with a spark of magic.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:22 pm

I think in a season or two Masch and Torres will be strong candidates for captancy if they're still here. But Gerrard should'nt be stripped of it because it could cause major rifts in the team.

by **stmichael** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:30 pm

When you ask yourself 'who else could do the job?' you realise that there aren't many potential leaders in our squad, which is one of the problems we have when the sh#t hits the fan.

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:06 am

Gerrard should stay as captain and we should resist the temptation to blame him for every misdemeanor which befalls the team. Masherano was at fault in my opinion, the referee also. But Mash is a seasoned International footballer who lost his head, I know people will say that Gerrard should have been dragging him away and all that but the responsibiltiy ultimately lies with Masherano. The most frustrating thing about the whole incident is of course that we dispute decisons probably less vehemently that any other team in the League. Only Torres occasionally and Gerrard even less so are really go to ground merchants, and yet it is us who are the team which are chosen to made an example of. It's not Gerrards fault though and he should stay as captain.

As for his performance today, I thought he did Ok in a fairly poor team display. Man Utd very effectively isolated him by pushing Scholes up into Masherano and Alonso and asking Ronaldo to track in. Neither Kuyt nor Babel were prepared to sit infield between the lines, and Aurelio was understandably reluctant to leave his spot and make use of his "spareness". We either need Alonso or Masherano to push in and support Gerrard, and/or one of the wide midfielders to give us more shape. Ferdinand played Torres very well and in the end we were running ourt of options. All that said, Gerrards shot in the first half was in all over without the deflection, and I guess people wouldn't be slagging him or the team had it gone in. Fine margins and all that.

by **Dalglish** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:19 am

When discussing Captaincy I get the impression that some people make the mistake of thinking that not being the captian denotes that a certain player isn't as good as he most certainly is.

Gerard is a world class PLAYER but not a great CAPTAIN in my opinion. I think that most fans given the choice would opt for Carragher. After Carra had a shaky game today I don't suppose that will be the consensus at thre momnent and maybe Carrra's best playing days are behind him but to my mind he has all the essential characteristics you look for in the role.

There are a few notable exceptrions when looking at Stevie's captaincy in terms of the games that he almost single handidly dragged us back into games (Istanbul 2005, Cardiff 2006 and the Olympiakos games spring to mind) but I have no doubt that he would have done that anyway and it had little to do with the armband and everything to do with being a fantastic player.

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