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by **Reg** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:50 pm

Ok, I've cooled off, but that was very disappointing.

1. We were up for it in the first 20 minutes, if anything we were probably slightly better overall.
2. Mascher's sending off was pivotal and effectively gave the game to Utd.
3. The core backbone of the team didnt play at even half pace today, they were boiled :censored:

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4. If we're under pressure against a superior team then 4-2-3-1 is probably going to collapse as players and balls get behind the 3, we have to have a Plan B to revert to 4-4-2.

At the end of the day the team is still not mature enough, they need another season to gel, however, if this is how we play the best of british and we have to get past Arsenal, Chelsea and ManUtd to win the CL? Forget it.

The lads bottled it, fair and square and it was painful to watch.

Good news the Arsenal lost, it will only add to their pressure however our lads need a lesson in being mentally tough enough to win these matches.

by **stmichael** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:54 pm

It's about consistency though.

I mean Stevie should have got booked for swearing in the ref's face and basically saying he's having a shocker but got nothing. Mascherano asks why Torres was carded which is his right to do and he gets booked.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:55 pm

john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:You are an absolute disgrace Emerald, are you advocating that all players should be allowed to tell the ref to F&ck off?? What kind of example is that sending youngsters to see their heroes have zero respect for authority.
I suppose you regularly tell your boss to f&ck off as well do you??

That gave me a laugh. It honestly did.

And, yeah, I've told many a ref to f*ck off. I've told my mates to f*ck off. And I'd certainly tell my boss to f*ck off too if I felt I was being hard done by.

Anyway, that's not the point. He got booked for that one. The point is, did you see him say "f*ck off" when he walked up to the ref? I didn't.

Anyway, to quote Shanks "The trouble with referee's is that they don't understand the game".

I agree.

Emerald, sorry mate but Mascherano was a stupid fu.cker today. It was obvious he was going to get a red card and it didn't matter whether he told the ref to fu.ck off or not, it's the fact that he was in the ref's face on 2 or 3 different occasions gesturing and mouthing off after he was on a booking - he lost the plot and there is no defending him.

Another point however is the fact that in the 2nd half after a dubious foul against Arbeloa was given on the edge of our box, you could clearly see Gerrard mouth the word 'fu.ck' to the ref in a tirade of abuse, yet nothing happened. My point is that the ref today was probably tolerating most verbal abuse, but as is often the case if a player makes a gesture or appears overly aggressive (like Mascherano) then they are going to get disciplined.

Most watching on tv won't have picked up on the Gerrard incident and therefore the ref will let it slide. However, he can't be seen to be allowing Mascherano to get right in his face at every decision and given the spotlight on the ref following the Cole v Spurs situation, the ref had no option but to produce the red.

Then ask yourself this. Do you think Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Ronaldo, or Terry would have been sent off for that second so called offense? I don't. I'd sooner take Benitez's word on it from the point of view of one of his own players (Babel) than anyone on this forum. From Masch's reaction, you could tell he was genuinely stunned. If he was just asking a question, to be sent off for that is wrong and an utter joke and that's a fact.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:56 pm

stmichael wrote:It's about consistency though.

I mean Stevie should have got booked for swearing in the ref's face and basically saying he's having a shocker but got nothing. Mascherano asks why Torres was carded which is his right to do and he gets booked.

Spot f*cking on. You just posted that before I made my last post about the same point.

by **JC_81** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:59 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:You are an absolute disgrace Emerald, are you advocating that all players should be allowed to tell the ref to F&ck off?? What kind of example is that sending youngsters to see their heroes have zero respect for authority.
I suppose you regularly tell your boss to f&ck off as well do you??

That gave me a laugh. It honestly did.

And, yeah, I've told many a ref to f*ck off. I've told my mates to f*ck off. And I'd certainly tell my boss to f*ck off too if I felt I was being hard done by.

Anyway, that's not the point. He got booked for that one. The point is, did you see him say "f*ck off" when he walked up to the ref? I didn't.

Anyway, to quote Shanks "The trouble with referee's is that they don't understand the game".

I agree.

Emerald, sorry mate but Mascherano was a stupid fu.cker today. It was obvious he was going to get a red card and it didn't matter whether he told the ref to fu.ck off or not, it's the fact that he was in the ref's face on 2 or 3 different occasions gesturing and mouthing off after he was on a booking - he lost the plot and there is no defending him.

Another point however is the fact that in the 2nd half after a dubious foul against Arbeloa was given on the edge of our box, you could clearly see Gerrard mouth the word 'fu.ck' to the ref in a tirade of abuse, yet nothing happened. My point is that the ref today was probably tolerating most verbal abuse, but as is often the case if a player makes a gesture or appears overly aggressive (like Mascherano) then they are going to get disciplined.

Most watching on tv won't have picked up on the Gerrard incident and therefore the ref will let it slide. However, he can't be seen to be allowing Mascherano to get right in his face at every decision and given the spotlight on the ref following the Cole v Spurs situation, the ref had no option but to produce the red.

Then ask yourself this. Do you think Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Ronaldo, or Terry would have been sent off for that second so called offense? I don't. I'd sooner take Benitez's word on it from the point of view of one of his own players (Babel) than anyone on this forum. From Masch's reaction, you could tell he was genuinely stunned. If he was just asking a question, to be sent off for that is wrong and an utter joke and that's a fact.

The fact Emerald, is that when you are on a booking, you don't sprint 30 yards to stick your face in the referee's to contest another player's booking when you are playing for the away side at Old Trafford. It's fu.cking suicide.

by **JC_81** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:02 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
stmichael wrote:It's about consistency though.

I mean Stevie should have got booked for swearing in the ref's face and basically saying he's having a shocker but got nothing. Mascherano asks why Torres was carded which is his right to do and he gets booked.

Spot f*cking on. You just posted that before I made my last post about the same point.

You're both wrong lads.

If the ref was consistent in booking every player every time he swore at him there'd be no one left on the field.

The ref today was a cu.nt of the highest order, but he was consistent in disciplining players who got in his face

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:04 pm

john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:You are an absolute disgrace Emerald, are you advocating that all players should be allowed to tell the ref to F&ck off?? What kind of example is that sending youngsters to see their heroes have zero respect for authority.
I suppose you regularly tell your boss to f&ck off as well do you??

That gave me a laugh. It honestly did.

And, yeah, I've told many a ref to f*ck off. I've told my mates to f*ck off. And I'd certainly tell my boss to f*ck off too if I felt I was being hard done by.

Anyway, that's not the point. He got booked for that one. The point is, did you see him say "f*ck off" when he walked up to the ref? I didn't.

Anyway, to quote Shanks "The trouble with referee's is that they don't understand the game".

I agree.

Emerald, sorry mate but Mascherano was a stupid fu.cker today. It was obvious he was going to get a red card and it didn't matter whether he told the ref to fu.ck off or not, it's the fact that he was in the ref's face on 2 or 3 different occasions gesturing and mouthing off after he was on a booking - he lost the plot and there is no defending him.

Another point however is the fact that in the 2nd half after a dubious foul against Arbeloa was given on the edge of our box, you could clearly see Gerrard mouth the word 'fu.ck' to the ref in a tirade of abuse, yet nothing happened. My point is that the ref today was probably tolerating most verbal abuse, but as is often the case if a player makes a gesture or appears overly aggressive (like Mascherano) then they are going to get disciplined.

Most watching on tv won't have picked up on the Gerrard incident and therefore the ref will let it slide. However, he can't be seen to be allowing Mascherano to get right in his face at every decision and given the spotlight on the ref following the Cole v Spurs situation, the ref had no option but to produce the red.

Then ask yourself this. Do you think Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Ronaldo, or Terry would have been sent off for that second so called offense? I don't. I'd sooner take Benitez's word on it from the point of view of one of his own players (Babel) than anyone on this forum. From Masch's reaction, you could tell he was genuinely stunned. If he was just asking a question, to be sent off for that is wrong and an utter joke and that's a fact.

The fact Emerald, is that when you are on a booking, you don't sprint 30 yards to stick your face in the referee's to contest another player's booking when you are playing for the away side at Old Trafford. It's fu.cking suicide.

Then you're implying the referee had a bias towards United then? For me, this still doesn't justify a sending off. Not ever. Not for any player for any team.

by **destro** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:04 pm

Well what a cr@p day out that was, I wanted to leave as soon as Mascherano was sent off because I was boiling inside it took every bit of will power/common sense for me not to smack the United idiot in front of me that was screaming for it to happen then telling everyone that it was him willing it that made the Reff send him off.

It was an absolute joke, firstly The booking for Torres for reminding the Reff that was the 4th time he had been fouled and secondly the sending off for Mascherano for asking why Torres had been booked.

People will say that he shouldn't have approached the Reff especially with all the talk of respecting and helping Reffs and not making their job harder, but since when has it been a bookable offence to talk to a Reff ? Talk, thats what he did he didn't run in swearing and screaming and waving his hands in the Reffs face, he asked him three times what the Torres booking was for and rightly so he asked him what was happening, and for all those saying he told the Reff to F,ck off when he got booked, he was saying it to Ronaldo NOT the reff !. Ferdinand spent most of the game after Mascherano was booked by talking to the Reff at every opportunity reminding him that Mascherano had been booked, or that maybe what ever other Liverpool player happened to be involved in any incident should be booked. Did he get booked for it ? Two wrongs dont make a right but lets have an even playing field here ffs, if its ok for one player to constantly be in the Reffs ear reminding him of things then its ok for another player to do it, if its not ok then make sure they both get treated the same way.

As for the game itself, before the sending off and obviously the goal, I never thought for one minute we would lose the game, sure we were slightly second best in terms of chances created but how many times have we dominated them tw@ts only to lose to a stuffy goal, the only thing we were guilty of was showing them to much respect.

Reina had a bad game, his positioning on crosses was poor as was his distribution of the ball but he alone cant be blamed for the result I cant remember the last time he played so badly, just our luck that it had to be in a game like this one.

Stevie was strangely quiet but only compared to his usual super human performances, it didn't help that he couldn't find the time on the ball to look for Torres, especially after the sending off. Torres was left to fight for scraps up front and whether we like it or not Ferdinand and Vidic are no second rated defenders and it was going to take one amazing bit of skill for him to break away from both of them and create a chance for himself, and thats the only way he was going to score today with Stevie being over ran in midfield.

We lost 3-0, would we have lost 3-0 if we had eleven players on the pitch for the whole game, I doubt it, but who can say, we certainly did not look 3 goals worse than them before the sending off. But none of that matters the scoreboard said 3-0 and the little telepathic tw@t in front of me sang 3-0. I am hurting so much right now its untrue but the thing that hurts the most is that I really wanted to see if we could step up our recent performances and show some sort of sign that maybe next season we will be ready to challenge for the title, sadly due to any number of things that happened today or maybe a result of all of them at once I left that tw@t infested stadium knowing nothing more than I did when I got in there

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:05 pm

I think the writings on the wall, we are further away from the mancs, Arsenal and Chelsea now than we have ever been in over 40 years of watching Liverpool. We need at least 2 top quality players(first team) and maybe another two of decent quality( to replace Hyypia and Finnan)

I would stick with the new formation for the time being , but I think most could see its limitations today. Torres was totally isolated, and with the mancs building from the back they ran our players into the ground.

Masch as been sailing close to the wind in quite a few games now, and it was no surprise (but still harsh) when he was sent off. Reina had a 'mare for a while in the first half and seemed very nervous from the outset, and once he had made the error for the first goal it took him a while to settle down.

I don't think Skrtle was ready for a game like this one, but maybe he will be next time when we meet in the CL final.

Anderson and Scholes ran the show, even before Masch was sent off.
Really p!ssed off

by **Torres 2007** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:07 pm

What an embarrassment.

Mascha did all he could to get himself sent off. I mean- why d that!

when you are already on a yellow you run that risk!

pleb.

then second half. it was all about defending and i was just waiting fo them to score number 2. We would have been lucky to GET A DRAW.
why do we not give torres a good chance to score?

Javier, dont get involved in incidents that dont involve you- some advice!

f8CKING EMBARRASSMENT

toss all again this season.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:11 pm

It's not the end of the world.

by **JC_81** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:13 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:You are an absolute disgrace Emerald, are you advocating that all players should be allowed to tell the ref to F&ck off?? What kind of example is that sending youngsters to see their heroes have zero respect for authority.
I suppose you regularly tell your boss to f&ck off as well do you??

That gave me a laugh. It honestly did.

And, yeah, I've told many a ref to f*ck off. I've told my mates to f*ck off. And I'd certainly tell my boss to f*ck off too if I felt I was being hard done by.

Anyway, that's not the point. He got booked for that one. The point is, did you see him say "f*ck off" when he walked up to the ref? I didn't.

Anyway, to quote Shanks "The trouble with referee's is that they don't understand the game".

I agree.

Emerald, sorry mate but Mascherano was a stupid fu.cker today. It was obvious he was going to get a red card and it didn't matter whether he told the ref to fu.ck off or not, it's the fact that he was in the ref's face on 2 or 3 different occasions gesturing and mouthing off after he was on a booking - he lost the plot and there is no defending him.

Another point however is the fact that in the 2nd half after a dubious foul against Arbeloa was given on the edge of our box, you could clearly see Gerrard mouth the word 'fu.ck' to the ref in a tirade of abuse, yet nothing happened. My point is that the ref today was probably tolerating most verbal abuse, but as is often the case if a player makes a gesture or appears overly aggressive (like Mascherano) then they are going to get disciplined.

Most watching on tv won't have picked up on the Gerrard incident and therefore the ref will let it slide. However, he can't be seen to be allowing Mascherano to get right in his face at every decision and given the spotlight on the ref following the Cole v Spurs situation, the ref had no option but to produce the red.

Then ask yourself this. Do you think Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Ronaldo, or Terry would have been sent off for that second so called offense? I don't. I'd sooner take Benitez's word on it from the point of view of one of his own players (Babel) than anyone on this forum. From Masch's reaction, you could tell he was genuinely stunned. If he was just asking a question, to be sent off for that is wrong and an utter joke and that's a fact.

The fact Emerald, is that when you are on a booking, you don't sprint 30 yards to stick your face in the referee's to contest another player's booking when you are playing for the away side at Old Trafford. It's fu.cking suicide.

Then you're implying the referee had a bias towards United then? For me, this still doesn't justify a sending off. Not ever. Not for any player for any team.

Let's say you're the ref today. You have already booked Mascherano for what you believe to be a bad tackle and a bookable offence (we know from the replays that this was not the case). The next 2 decisions you give against the away side Mascherano is waving his arms around in protest and giving you verbals. You let it slide as he's clearly fired up for the game. Then after an incident involving another player, Mascherano sprints 30 yards and sticks his face in yours, protesting, again giving you verbals. You walk backwards but Mascherano continues to advance towards you in a threatening manner, even his team mate Alonso cannot hold him back. The crowd are against Mascherano and you have 60 thousand calling for you to book him. Mascherano still comes at you, what do you do???

by **Kash_Mountain** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:15 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Kash_Mountain wrote:Totally gutted. Mascher was stupid for his contant mouthyness.

The over reliance on SG is getting stupid (over reliance on Torres as well now). When are going to bring more match winners into the team. Players that can turn a game into our advantage?

Where was plan B or even C?

Have you got about a billion pounds to buy us out and then buy us these match winners?

Wish I had. But look, no plan B or C- that' :censored:

IMO. TBH why can't being match winner be instilled into the player from the moment they are bought.

by **Torres 2007** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:16 pm

Well it aint far away.

we will not win the league for another 15 years if we carry on like this!

15 YEARS!

no bottle.

letting the likes of sholes run the show! he's an old man!

not one goal against them in the league is a joke!

F*cking gift the manc sh*t their 17th title why dont you!

Stevie and Tores, no Show!

To be honest I thought we were sh*t all over the park, and never created one single good chance. so much for progress!

Bottlers! show some bottle will you.!

No bottle!

plebs

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:18 pm

john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
john craig wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:You are an absolute disgrace Emerald, are you advocating that all players should be allowed to tell the ref to F&ck off?? What kind of example is that sending youngsters to see their heroes have zero respect for authority.
I suppose you regularly tell your boss to f&ck off as well do you??

That gave me a laugh. It honestly did.

And, yeah, I've told many a ref to f*ck off. I've told my mates to f*ck off. And I'd certainly tell my boss to f*ck off too if I felt I was being hard done by.

Anyway, that's not the point. He got booked for that one. The point is, did you see him say "f*ck off" when he walked up to the ref? I didn't.

Anyway, to quote Shanks "The trouble with referee's is that they don't understand the game".

I agree.

Emerald, sorry mate but Mascherano was a stupid fu.cker today. It was obvious he was going to get a red card and it didn't matter whether he told the ref to fu.ck off or not, it's the fact that he was in the ref's face on 2 or 3 different occasions gesturing and mouthing off after he was on a booking - he lost the plot and there is no defending him.

Another point however is the fact that in the 2nd half after a dubious foul against Arbeloa was given on the edge of our box, you could clearly see Gerrard mouth the word 'fu.ck' to the ref in a tirade of abuse, yet nothing happened. My point is that the ref today was probably tolerating most verbal abuse, but as is often the case if a player makes a gesture or appears overly aggressive (like Mascherano) then they are going to get disciplined.

Most watching on tv won't have picked up on the Gerrard incident and therefore the ref will let it slide. However, he can't be seen to be allowing Mascherano to get right in his face at every decision and given the spotlight on the ref following the Cole v Spurs situation, the ref had no option but to produce the red.

Then ask yourself this. Do you think Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Ronaldo, or Terry would have been sent off for that second so called offense? I don't. I'd sooner take Benitez's word on it from the point of view of one of his own players (Babel) than anyone on this forum. From Masch's reaction, you could tell he was genuinely stunned. If he was just asking a question, to be sent off for that is wrong and an utter joke and that's a fact.

The fact Emerald, is that when you are on a booking, you don't sprint 30 yards to stick your face in the referee's to contest another player's booking when you are playing for the away side at Old Trafford. It's fu.cking suicide.

Then you're implying the referee had a bias towards United then? For me, this still doesn't justify a sending off. Not ever. Not for any player for any team.

Let's say you're the ref today. You have already booked Mascherano for what you believe to be a bad tackle and a bookable offence (we know from the replays that this was not the case). The next 2 decisions you give against the away side Mascherano is waving his arms around in protest and giving you verbals. You let it slide as he's clearly fired up for the game. Then after an incident involving another player, Mascherano sprints 30 yards and sticks his face in yours, protesting, again giving you verbals. You walk backwards but Mascherano continues to advance towards you in a threatening manner, even his team mate Alonso cannot hold him back. The crowd are against Mascherano and you have 60 thousand calling for you to book him. Mascherano still comes at you, what do you do???

I'd have called him over the first time and had a word with him. Problem solved. No need to book him and ruin the game.

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