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by **tubby** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:10 pm

The question still remains when will we see one of them actually make it into the first team and hold down a regular place. Everyone talked about Anderson ect....but no ones really come through at all in the last few years.

by **RedBlood** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:32 pm

Thanks 4 the corrections Joe

No mate is wasnt Bojan & by the way hes 1& a a half older then r 2 :cool:

I think it began with S

but i did read about him scouts honour

Oh an theres Duran Duran poor lil duran gettin the same injury he like simon is a quality talent that we havent gotten 2 c yet

by **RedBlood** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:35 pm

oh im on my bros username

Bojan Krikic i think.........hes got slovakian in him there were massive arguments between the 2 countries just ova him

by **Big Niall** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:41 pm

Its amazing that nobody has come through since SG, all this talk about our IMPROVED youth system but it isn't that long ago that McManamann,Fowler,Redknapp(okay purchased but an unknown into reserves),Owen, Carragher, Gerrard, all came through.

Any youth system that produced all of those can't have been bad. Heighway must have been doing a good job.

The youth system has achieved nothing until a couple of them become regulars in the first team.

by **JC_81** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:55 pm

Big Niall wrote:Its amazing that nobody has come through since SG, all this talk about our IMPROVED youth system but it isn't that long ago that McManamann,Fowler,Redknapp(okay purchased but an unknown into reserves),Owen, Carragher, Gerrard, all came through.

Any youth system that produced all of those can't have been bad. Heighway must have been doing a good job.

The youth system has achieved nothing until a couple of them become regulars in the first team.

I don't think you can solely say that it is our faltering youth system that is the cause for nobody coming through the ranks since Gerrard. Undoubtedly I think it could probably be improved, but there are also other factors to consider.

Squads these days are much bigger, gone are the days when top clubs throw in a youngster when they've got injuries. These days the top clubs have Internationals on the bench or even in the reserves who will come in ahead of youth team products. Our teams in the Carling Cup or Fa Cup this year wasn't our 1st team, but it was mainly 1st team squad players that got a chance, rather than home grown guys. Basically it's just harder to get a chance these days.

Look at United. Who have they brought through the ranks since the golden era of Scholes/Beckham/Giggs/Nevilles/Butt? Probably O'Shea and Brown and now they're around 26. They haven't exactly been churning out quality players either. Neither have Chelsea. Arsenal obviously have, but even then it's a worldwide scouting system that took Wenger almost 10 years to see the benefits of.

Then you have to look at the quality of the Premiership. It's higher now than 10 years ago, so youngsters who do get a chance may look out of place and have to go to a smaller club to get experience.

Then you have to ask yourself is there really the home grown talent that there was 10 years ago? Maybe not enough kids are taking up football with other distractions? Are foreigners ruining the game? Not enough money going into the game at grassroots level but rather into Capello's wallet looking for quick-fix success? There are multiple arguments, but my main point being that we shouldn't kid ourselves that the problem JUST lies with our youth system, other clubs have the same problem.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:04 pm

I agree with all of John Craig's points, AND the fact that for Rafa's youths that he brought it there is still time that needs to go buy before you can judge, but I think the main detterent is the large squad effect and the overall rising talent of the league due to internationals coming

and Bojan Krkic is 17 and 1/2

by **Torres25** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:22 pm

agree 2 disagree

by **RedBlood** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:01 am

how about this for our carling cup team next year??

martin

darby san jose hobbs inusa

anderson spearing plesis hammil

nemeth pacheo

huth
bruno
putteril
flynn
el zahr
therfel
simon

by **stmichael** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:32 pm

john craig wrote:I agree that Rafa has done a lot of work behind the scenes in recruiting young talent and it would be a shame for him not to see the fruits of that if he is sacked in the summer. However, even if these players come through, that is no guarantee that we'd do better in the Premiership, because imo the problem lies with Benitez's tactics and rotation policy in the Premiership, moreso than a lack of quality in our 1st team. I think United and Arsenal have better players than us, but with the squad we have we should still be a lot closer to them in the league and we should be ahead of Chelsea. But that is for another thread.

On the subject of youth, I think we have some very good prospects. I think Hobbs will come good and will provide CB cover next season. Nemeth looks like a potential star to me. Great eye for goal and some of his touches and movement really make him stand out at reserve level, I have high hopes he'll make the step up and I'd like him to get a chance in the 1st team sooner rather than later. Insua is the other one who looks like he could play at a higher level.

In the youth team, Pourie looks like the star man, scores for fun. Ajdarevic and Mackay-Steven also look like they've got potential, but to be honest judging how the youth players will develop is even harder than the current reserve guys.

Guys that I don't rate in the reserves include Leto and El Zhar. Putterill and Spearing have the heart but not the skill to match it, they won't be LFC players. I have yet to be convinced by any of the keepers who have turned out for our reserves this season and none of the defenders apart from Hobbs and Insua look like they'll make the step up to me.

Good post.

Rafa has played more young players than almost any other Liverpool manager I can think of. The average age of this team is still really young, and so to throw more kids in would be dangerous. When he does play them, like he did with Leto, he gets slated. Babel and Lucas are also young players. Momo was only 20 when he signed. Hobbs is still a teenager and has played in league games for us this season. He's now on loan to get experience, as he's a top prospect. He was written off when he had only just turned 17 in a pre-season friendly, FFS!

No-one has worked harder to get top quality kids into the club, but you can't just throw them in for the sake of it, particularly when the team is struggling. Putting Insua into the team when it's not playing well is only likely to drag him down, rather than inspire everyone else.

Nothing annoys me more than the "throw the kids in" line followed so quickly by "sell the kid, he's sh#te".

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:36 pm

Insua played in some league games last year, then over the summer won the u20 world cup, the last couple of reserve games he has been really showing his class, and Left Back is considered one of our weaker posiitons, I don't think its much of a risk to give him a game, he MUST be hungry to play.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:06 pm

RedBlood wrote:how about this for our carling cup team next year??

martin

darby san jose hobbs inusa

anderson spearing plesis hammil

nemeth pacheo

huth
bruno
putteril
flynn
el zahr
therfel
simon

don't get me wrong Redblood, I love that team, but there is no way Rafa plays something like that lineup in the cups, imagine if we lost, he would get crushed for not caring. Also there is a good chance a lot of those people will be sold on or loaned out. Don't think El Zhar has much of a chance at sticking around for next year. Same might apply to Threlfall, Flynn and Putterill. If Guthrie isn't sold on, he would have a great chance at starting in a cup game as he has premier league experience. Also I would play Lindfield over Pacheco in a cup game if you were going to play him as a striker, especially if it was with Nemeth, because Kristian isn't exactly the biggest of strikers and Pacheco is really small. And its Bruna not Bruno. Amoo, Pourie, and Eccleston also have a good chance of "replacing" el zhar, flynn and putteril (and hopefully brouwer)

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:06 am

Our reserves are tearing up @ss's in the Dallas cup. The future is looking bright, I hope some of them get a chance to play in the Carling cup next year.

by **JoeTerp** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:11 pm

LINDFIELD NETS HAT-TRICK AS REDS WIN AGAIN
Paul Eaton 18 March 2008
Craig Lindfield netted a hat-trick while Martin Kelly and Mikel San Jose were also on target as Liverpool's reserves thrashed Mexican outfit Tigres 5-1 in their second game in the Dr Pepper Dallas Cup.
Gary Ablett's men, who smashed seven goals past FK Slavija in their opening match of the tournament, have maintained their position at the top of Super Group B and now seem certainties to move into the semi-finals of the competition.

Despite the convincing scoreline, Ablett was less than impressed with his side's performance at Richland College field, and believes that playing two games in as many days may have caught up with his youngsters.

"We got ourselves into a 2-0 lead in the first half without ever playing well," he said. "To be honest we played poorly throughout the game. They passed the ball better than we did but they never had anyone who was going to really hurt us.

"They deserved to get their goal to make it 2-1 at half time and when we got the lads in at the break we told them some home truths.

"Nothing really changed though in the second half. We never really got to grips with the game at all. Whether it was the journey catching up with us or whether it was because it was our second game in two days, I don't know.

"On the plus side we defended very well and Craig Lindfield can be pleased with scoring a hat-trick.

"This is tournament football and so we will take the win even if we would have wanted to play a lot better. We've played two now, won two and scored twelve goals so in that respect it's pleasing."

The young Reds now have a couple of days to rest before playing their final group game on Wednesday afternoon against Ryutsu Keizai Kashiwa from Japan.

"They've won one and lost one from their first two games so they're going to have to beat us by a lot of goals to stop us going through," added Ablett.

"We've probably lost Ryan Crowther for the rest of the week with a hamstring strain and the other problem we have now is that four of our lads were booked against Tigres so if they pick up another booking on Wednesday they'll be out of the semi-final. That's a bit disappointing from our point of view.

"We've had two games out here and the referees in each have interpreted the rules of the games completely differently. I suppose that's what you get with international football.

"It's important we give the lads some rest now but on Tuesday we'll be taking them to visit a local hospital where they'll be handing out some gifts that we've brought over. It's really important that they get to see the impact they can have on young children.

"There'll be some time in the afternoon for a bit of shopping but then it'll be an early night to make sure they are well rested for the game on Wednesday."

Liverpool are hoping to welcome Hungarian trio Krisztian Nemeth, Peter Gulacsi and Andras Simon to the squad in time for Wednesday's game after sorting out the paperwork issues which have delayed their entry into the USA.

by **RedBlood** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:31 pm

Liverpool's reserves have completed their group games in the Dr Pepper Dallas Cup with a 9-0 thrashing of Japanese outfit Ryutsu Keizai Kashiwa.
Craig Lindfield, Ray Putterill and Emiliano Insua all netted twice while Mikel San Jose, Ryan Flynn and Gerardo Bruna were also on target as Gary Ablett's men made it three wins from three in Super Group B to book their place in the semi-finals of the competition.

They will now face a combined Sporting Lisbon and Benfica side in the last four of the competition at the Pizza Hut Stadium at 9pm on Friday evening.

"It was almost too easy for us today," said Ablett. "We got ourselves into a 3-0 lead before half time and then they had a man sent off fifteen minutes into the second half.

"After that it was a bit of a rout and we managed to score a lot more goals. Even though the scoreline was convincing I think some of our decision making was poor at times because we should have won that game 14 or 15-0.

"We had so much time and space on the ball but there were occasions where we didn't do the right things and that was disappointing for me as the manager. At times we lost our discipline and our shape.

"We've won the group easily though and at the end of the day you can only beat what is put in front of you. We played well in the first game, poorly in the second and I'd say we did okay tonight.

"We'll need to be better in the semi-final though because we'll be up against much tougher opposition."

The Reds' only injury concerns ahead of the semi-final are Ryan Crowther and Gary Mackay Steven while Hungarian trio Krisztian Nemeth, Peter Gulacsi and Andras Simon should join up with the squad in Dallas in time to play a part.

"It will be good to welcome those three lads into the squad," added Ablett. "Hopefully they'll be able to fly out tomorrow morning and join up with us in time to prepare for Friday's game.

"We also had four lads on bookings before tonight's game who would have missed the semi-final had they picked up another yellow card, but thankfully they all kept out of trouble and so we have no suspension issues for Friday night."

by **RedBlood** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:31 pm

thats 3 good high scoring wins so far and without the help of our best strkier nemeth

but you have to question the quality of the opposition

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