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by **bigmick** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:07 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:It's all true. No point in beating around the bush with drawn out politically correctness from me. That is not my style. Noby hit the nail on the head and answered Mick's post for me.

In that case we shall have to differ which is fair enough.

We will differ oh on the point that generalising to the extent where we label those all of us who have expressed doubts about the manager and his methodology as sad c...s is unnecessary. It's not for me a case of political correctness either, it's simply a ridiculous comment.

We will also have to differ on whether or not you are getting carried away. Three weeks ago it was nothing to do with the manager that we weren't playing well and had just got knocked out of the FA Cup by Barnsley at home, "It's the players mate". Now we've got up in a few winnable games (and admittedly Inter Milan as well) and the manager is a genius and anybody who disagrees is "spouting bile, leaving a trail of sh!t in their wake", or a "sad c...".

The saddest part of all if there is one, is that you seem to think that you have the monopoly on wanting the team to succeed. "Real" fans don't wonder about the managers position, they show "loyalty" and "belief". Forget the fact that this particular run of good form has coincided with the manager adopting almost precisely the methodology visa vis selection policy that some of us have been banging on about for years. It makes no odds and why should it get in the way of an opportunity to dish out some abuse?

We will agree to differ alright, suits me fine.

Is this sarcasm, Mick?

No Emerald it's not sarcasm mate. I don't do flame wars and I'm not going to start one with you now. I disagree with quite a lot of your beliefs on the best way forward for the club but that's fine. I'm sure you're a pasionate Red and like me, want the best for the club.

What I would ask though is this. If you are really going to go down the route of talking about people being "sad c...s", "spouting bile", "leaving a trail of sh!t in their wake" and the like, you ought to name those you are talking about. If for instance I said "all those sad c...s who are "in Rafa we trusters", spouting fecking bile about rotation and how it's the bees knees, leaving a trail of sh!t in their wake" there are may people who would take offence, not just the particular poster I thought I might be referring to.

The best way of all in my view anyway is top respect other peoples points of view.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:07 pm

I think we are all happy with the win and the recent run of good results, I just think few people are going a bit over the top, talking like we had thrashed the mancs away rather than beaten Newcastle at home. Just as perspective was needed when we were on our bliiiiiiiip, its also needed when we start a run of good results as well.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:09 pm

I'm under the impression that I'm being looked at as some kind of linear-thinking Rafalite who can see no wrong in the man's methods. If anyone does think this, they couldn't be more wrong. A man can get things wrong and make mistakes no matter how good he is at what he does. Even if he is a genuine genius.

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:09 pm

This is what is so frustrating about this place lately: we rack up another win, put in a very good performance and end up bickering and name-calling rather than discussing and celebrating. A big problem, IMO, are the unnecessary pre-emptive strikes that come out of both camps. We've seen it from the "happy-clappys" today, demanding to know where all the doom and gloomers are now. In the past it's been the "anti-Rafas" who post things along the lines of "cue all the In Rafa We Trusters and their excuses..."

Here's a thought folks: just post your views on the match--what you liked, what you didn't. Others will do the same. If views differ, we can discuss in a civilized fashion...hell, maybe even learn something. We don't all have to agree but let's try and at least get along. One easy way to do that is to wait for others to actually post something before you have a go at them. Simple right?

by **Igor Zidane** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:11 pm

For me it's another good win and 3pts nearer the top and further from the BS. Everyone knows i'm pro rafa ,and i'll support him to the last ,but this latest win only continues to leave me with the feeling of what might have been. Like most of us have said anyway (including BIGMICK) lets wait and see where we are at come the end of the season and go from there. This team and manager are so infuriating at times and it's hard to hit the nail on the head with what has gone wrong . For me it's not really so much rotation , it's the quality of the squad and formation changes. We seem to have hit on a good formation and it looks like rafa is sticking with it . Lets hope it continues until the end of the season and see what we can do with it.

Lastly i would just like to say that bragging about your point when you think you've been proven correct is not very clever,because it has a tendancy to come back and bite yer on yer bum.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:14 pm

I gotta agree that when things aren't going well this forum is jammed packed with people who haven't even been on here for
ages, coming out off the woodwork and slagging Rafa.

Okay we always should be beating the last few teams that we beat but we beat them well and the team is plying well. Maybe a few should log back on and type the few words WELL DONE RAFA.

I have been the first to say he was getting it wrong at times but stuck with him. We are nowhere near as good as we should be just because we defeated a few mediocre teams but I believe Rafa should get some praise of some of the people on here.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:17 pm

Emerald Red wrote:I'm under the impression that I'm being looked at as some kind of linear-thinking Rafalite who can see no wrong in the man's methods. If anyone does think this, they couldn't be more wrong. A man can get things wrong and make mistakes no matter how good he is at what he does. Even if he is a genuine genius.

The tendancy of those who (on the whole) support Rafa to show more balance in their views is greater than those who don't support the man, IMHO. Those who generalise anyone who demonstrates even the slightest sign of support for the manager as 'In Rafa we trust' etc.. are inevitably going to have to expect a reaction.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:19 pm

bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:It's all true. No point in beating around the bush with drawn out politically correctness from me. That is not my style. Noby hit the nail on the head and answered Mick's post for me.

In that case we shall have to differ which is fair enough.

We will differ oh on the point that generalising to the extent where we label those all of us who have expressed doubts about the manager and his methodology as sad c...s is unnecessary. It's not for me a case of political correctness either, it's simply a ridiculous comment.

We will also have to differ on whether or not you are getting carried away. Three weeks ago it was nothing to do with the manager that we weren't playing well and had just got knocked out of the FA Cup by Barnsley at home, "It's the players mate". Now we've got up in a few winnable games (and admittedly Inter Milan as well) and the manager is a genius and anybody who disagrees is "spouting bile, leaving a trail of sh!t in their wake", or a "sad c...".

The saddest part of all if there is one, is that you seem to think that you have the monopoly on wanting the team to succeed. "Real" fans don't wonder about the managers position, they show "loyalty" and "belief". Forget the fact that this particular run of good form has coincided with the manager adopting almost precisely the methodology visa vis selection policy that some of us have been banging on about for years. It makes no odds and why should it get in the way of an opportunity to dish out some abuse?

We will agree to differ alright, suits me fine.

Is this sarcasm, Mick?

No Emerald it's not sarcasm mate. I don't do flame wars and I'm not going to start one with you now. I disagree with quite a lot of your beliefs on the best way forward for the club but that's fine. I'm sure you're a pasionate Red and like me, want the best for the club.

What I would ask though is this. If you are really going to go down the route of talking about people being "sad c...s", "spouting bile", "leaving a trail of sh!t in their wake" and the like, you ought to name those you are talking about. If for instance I said "all those sad c...s who are "in Rafa we trusters", spouting fecking bile about rotation and how it's the bees knees, leaving a trail of sh!t in their wake" there are may people who would take offence, not just the particular poster I thought I might be referring to.

The best way of all in my view anyway is top respect other peoples points of view.

Mick, even though I could, I'm not one to type out protracted and masterfully dignified posts to explain a particular feeling or idea that I have rattling around in my head. I am humble enough to be corrected if I'm wrong and accept it, and humble enough to apologize if I've caused offense to someone I didn't mean to. In which case, I apologize to yourself if you felt aggrieved at my post.

However, as I've said, I don't like to type formally, so I type how I would say it, or how I generally talk. My comments like the one's you quoted above (can't believe you actually remembered and quoted that, but anyway) are directed to those that are not long standing members of this forum, or perhaps some that are but don't post often. I can say for fact that since I've joined this board, I've noticed a trend on match day defeats of people joining or signing in just to type negative tripe, cause flame wars, then do one, never to be heard of again, or at least until the next bad incident. Now, can you honestly believe that these are genuine fans?

by **LFC2007** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:20 pm

Dundalk wrote:I have been the first to say he was getting it wrong at times but stuck with him. We are nowhere near as good as we should be just because we defeated a few mediocre teams but I believe Rafa should get some praise of some of the people on here.

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:30 pm

Bad Bob wrote:This is what is so frustrating about this place lately: we rack up another win, put in a very good performance and end up bickering and name-calling rather than discussing and celebrating. A big problem, IMO, are the unnecessary pre-emptive strikes that come out of both camps. We've seen it from the "happy-clappys" today, demanding to know where all the doom and gloomers are now. In the past it's been the "anti-Rafas" who post things along the lines of "cue all the In Rafa We Trusters and their excuses..."

Here's a thought folks: just post your views on the match--what you liked, what you didn't. Others will do the same. If views differ, we can discuss in a civilized fashion...hell, maybe even learn something. We don't all have to agree but let's try and at least get along. One easy way to do that is to wait for others to actually post something before you have a go at them. Simple right?

Agree. Maybe we should create a new ongoing "Matches in Context" thread, where people can put the result in context of the season or Rafa's reign as a whole, or in the context of just the recent run of matches. But the match thread, should by definition be just about the match. Certain parts of our play in that match that you liked, what we had problems with, critisisms should be about only that match's team selection and choice of subsitution and that game's tactics, and how the players played in that game. as well as the celebratory posts, or the :censored:

off venting posts.

Also think the mods should lock the context thread for 12 hours or so after matches to keep it slightly more on the level headed side and not two sides knee jerking each other to death. It gets boring and predictable when its a bunch of knee jerking and pigieon holing people into their views, it becomes like a political debate where you know the other sides arguements based on whether they are from the left or the right of you and you just scream the typical arguements back and forth and nobody learns anything.

by **Ciggy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:34 pm

The team has something now that money just cant buy.

Confidence the players are feckin sick to death of DIC G & H etc I know most of us are, we got a few wins under our belts, Rafa has stuck with a settled side I really dont know how anyone can be unhappy, it was looking feckin grim a few weeks ago.

We are still only 9 points behind and we have had a woeful few months.

If Hinge & Bracket hadnt have been big knobs interviewing Klinsmann we might have won the bleedin league and CL.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:35 pm

Does anyone think we still have a shot at the title? or is that me being happy clappy again, i think i am , you never know though do yer.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:38 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Does anyone think we still have a shot at the title? or is that me being happy clappy again, i think i am , you never know tough do yer.

No chance.

Sorry

by **Ciggy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:40 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Does anyone think we still have a shot at the title? or is that me being happy clappy again, i think i am , you never know tough do yer.

You never know sweetheart you never know :;):

Hey Igor that Hicks son went the Jolly Miller last night with his entourage stupid b@stard wheres all our young hoody alpine hat wearing gun weilding rats when you need them hey :laugh:

I was only in me ma's an hour last week and someone got shot facin

by **Igor Zidane** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:43 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Does anyone think we still have a shot at the title? or is that me being happy clappy again, i think i am , you never know tough do yer.

You never know sweetheart you never know

Hey Igor that Hicks son went the Jolly Miller last night with his entourage stupid b@stard wheres all our young hoody alpine hat wearing gun weilding rats when you need them hey

I was only in me ma's an hour last week and someone got shot facin

Should have sent the gunman to the molly jiller to give a message to the ginger tw@t , Sorry bob for my anti gingerness

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