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by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:34 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:You a*seholes never know when to give up, do you?

FFS - get a set of b*llocks and back the man, instead of taking the "Oh, it's oh-so-clever-and-ever-so-popular to be the voice of discontent."

We've just beaten one of the World's best teams, you morbid bunch of sad acts.

Go and f*ck yourselves, the lot of you. You're not fans - you wait and hope for a loss to add more ammo to your ever-more-desperate arsenal of bullsh*t.

You stupid, stupid little boys.

Lets wait and see what happens when we play Middlesbrough this weekend.

Why? Will the result of that match stop us going to the San Siro with a 2 goal advantage in the best, and hardest, competition in club football?

And if we beat Middlesborough, will you then give Rafa the credit he deserves?

(Or will that just be "1 game out of...")

Sorry Lando he has had 25 games in the prem to show us what he can do, one good result will show nothing.

we know he is a Great CL manager and i feel we have a very good chance of winning the cup.

But for me Liverpool fc is about being the best team in England, something we have not been for some time ( only the last few years being down to Rafa not the full 18 years).

I do think Rafa has got himself a side that could win the prem but i dont think he is up to it himself.

Rafa has always had my full respect when it comes to the CL and there is no one better than him at it.

That's just silly.

He is the same man, irrespective of the competition.

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:36 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Lando i dont know any Liverpool supporters who dont think we played well last night, got a great result and that Rafa deserves praise.
Once again in Europe he got it spot on, we were dominating before the sending off (which i thought was harsh but didnt help us either)

While we are all made up with the result its still leaves so many questions unanswered, hence the motivation thread being started.

We have so far had a disatrous league campaign, and are out of both domestic cups losing to Barnsley at home in the FA. That is not acceptable and the Inter result while i hope i am wrong in this has probably just papered over what seems like major cracks.

Credit where its due though, the manager pulled another rabbit out of the hat last night and if we win against Boro on Saturday that will be a start but we cant just dismiss whats gone on so far this season.
We said it after the Chelsea result and after the 8-0 against Besiktas but lets hope this massive result and performance can act as a catalyst for the rest of the season.
If it doesnt though and we continue with this shocking league form then last nights results relevance will be lost to most fans.

There we are - a balanced post which doesn't ignore the positives.

Now the question I pose is simple:

Why are you the only one?

The debate about rafa, rotation and various other things has been very heated for most of the season mate. It has had people with strong opions for and against rafa not just nailing there colours to the mast but smashing them in with a great feckin hammer.
Both sides imo have good points but both seem to be looking for the slightest thing to try and prove they are right.
They anti's got theres on saturday and the pro's got theres last night.
Like one bad result isnt the end of the world and rafa must go, one great result doesnt mean he is always right and a master of management.

I have sat sort of in between throughout the season, disagreeing with the resting of Torres and Gerrard at the start of the season etc but mainly sitting back hoping that Rafa would get things right.

I genuinly hope this is something that will kick start the season and looking at the upcoming league fixtures (only Bolton away not easy) i think that we are capable of getting some wins on the board and easing some of the pressure.

There are some fans that want Rafa gone no matter what now...i am not one of them.
Just playing it by ear and hoping everything goes well from now on.

by **lakes10** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:38 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:You a*seholes never know when to give up, do you?

FFS - get a set of b*llocks and back the man, instead of taking the "Oh, it's oh-so-clever-and-ever-so-popular to be the voice of discontent."

We've just beaten one of the World's best teams, you morbid bunch of sad acts.

Go and f*ck yourselves, the lot of you. You're not fans - you wait and hope for a loss to add more ammo to your ever-more-desperate arsenal of bullsh*t.

You stupid, stupid little boys.

Lets wait and see what happens when we play Middlesbrough this weekend.

Why? Will the result of that match stop us going to the San Siro with a 2 goal advantage in the best, and hardest, competition in club football?

And if we beat Middlesborough, will you then give Rafa the credit he deserves?

(Or will that just be "1 game out of...")

Sorry Lando he has had 25 games in the prem to show us what he can do, one good result will show nothing.

we know he is a Great CL manager and i feel we have a very good chance of winning the cup.

But for me Liverpool fc is about being the best team in England, something we have not been for some time ( only the last few years being down to Rafa not the full 18 years).

I do think Rafa has got himself a side that could win the prem but i dont think he is up to it himself.

Rafa has always had my full respect when it comes to the CL and there is no one better than him at it.

That's just silly.

He is the same man, irrespective of the competition.

he is not.

In the CL he understands how teams play, the players and the best way to buid up for the game.

in the prem he still dont understand this,he can not work out how a small team can beat a big team.

for him its all about playing with your head and as we know that dont always win games.

by **Big Niall** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:47 pm

Whether we beat boro 5-0 or lose 5-0 it won't make Benitez a good or bad manager. Lets wait until 38 league games are up and then the table will tell us.

by **greenred** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:16 am

Unbelievable amount of cynicism on this site lately.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:34 am

heimdall wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:You a*seholes never know when to give up, do you?

FFS - get a set of b*llocks and back the man, instead of taking the "Oh, it's oh-so-clever-and-ever-so-popular to be the voice of discontent."

We've just beaten one of the World's best teams, you morbid bunch of sad acts.

Go and f*ck yourselves, the lot of you. You're not fans - you wait and hope for a loss to add more ammo to your ever-more-desperate arsenal of bullsh*t.

You stupid, stupid little boys.

Congratulations Lando you finally made me laugh.
People are slating the article, which is rose tinted horse , not Rafa.
Winning one game does not vindicate him at all, we still look sh1t in the league and whilst 2-0 is a great win and I'm really happy about it the tie is not over yet, we still have to go to the San Siro and resist an onslaught for 90 minutes, but I have a feeling we can do it, there is something weird about us in the Champions League we always mange to squeeze through somehow.

It couldn't be the boss, could it? :oops:

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:40 am

Lando is right (hard as it is to admit it) People on here need to wake up and give not only Benitez some credit but also the players. I seen Kuyt getting a hard time for his goal agaisnt Barnsley (I'm sure it was by the same fella who said "if Kuyt doesn't score he should retire") even when he does score he's taking stick.

Nobody (not even Lando) is saying that this has been a successful season, it's pretty obvious that it isn't. But what those who support Benitez are trying to get across is that this is the calm before the storm so to speak. The storm is next year we're we take the premiership by storm.

So lets stop trying to find holes in every little game and get behind the boys. I would happily swallow every bit of pride, and take every single insult people threw at me if Benitez won us the league. The only way he'll do that is by having fans on his side. We have to back him while he's our manager, so instead of saying "it's a one off fluke" or "it's not papering over the cracks" or "it's still a bad season" We all know, realise and accept that it's a bad season, but that doesn't mean it can't have positives. The Inter game was a positive.

Now nobody is more disappointed with our league form than me. I haven't exactly hidden that fact either. And this Inter result won't make me change my mind. It's still a disgraceful season, domestic wise, but Inter is was a European game. A game that doesn't affect our position in the league one way or the other. So trying to find a hole in the Inter game by the league is pointless. The league has gone, well and truly again and that's something that hurts me everytime I have to admit it, that's why our efforts are now going into Europe a lot more. That, think what you will, that is a more realistic way of making the Champions League next year, then getting fourth. We still have United and Arsenal to play away, and another derby game. Also taking in our home form this year, it doesn't fill me with much confidence. So our efforts should be concentrating on Europe.

So again, lets try and get behind the boys and back them to make some success out of what has been by and large a disgrace. It might not make us happy that we've had to conceed the league before Easter. Victory in the Champions League might not heal the wounds caused by the domestic form. But that's no reason to shrug off another famous European night for Liverpool Football Club off with sly digs at Benitez and the players.

Now I don't think Aurellio did ANYTHING right last night and I've said so on a regular basis. But I won't take anything away from the victory because of it. I won't blame our league form on him, I won't blame Barnsley on him. He had a bad night, but that doesn't take away our victory and neither does our poor domestic form. That victory against Inter was there for the entire world to see, and should be held up highly in terms of European nights at Anfield. Let's not dampen the success of that night by complaining about this years form overall.

Again nobody is asking that result to change our opinion of the season overall. And that result should be given the credit it deserves without being shrugged off because of the rest of the season.

by **RedBlood** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:57 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:You a*seholes never know when to give up, do you?

FFS - get a set of b*llocks and back the man, instead of taking the "Oh, it's oh-so-clever-and-ever-so-popular to be the voice of discontent."

We've just beaten one of the World's best teams, you morbid bunch of sad acts.

Go and f*ck yourselves, the lot of you. You're not fans - you wait and hope for a loss to add more ammo to your ever-more-desperate arsenal of bullsh*t.

You stupid, stupid little boys.

nice 1

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:37 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Lando i dont know any Liverpool supporters who dont think we played well last night, got a great result and that Rafa deserves praise.
Once again in Europe he got it spot on, we were dominating before the sending off (which i thought was harsh but didnt help us either)

While we are all made up with the result its still leaves so many questions unanswered, hence the motivation thread being started.

We have so far had a disatrous league campaign, and are out of both domestic cups losing to Barnsley at home in the FA. That is not acceptable and the Inter result while i hope i am wrong in this has probably just papered over what seems like major cracks.

Credit where its due though, the manager pulled another rabbit out of the hat last night and if we win against Boro on Saturday that will be a start but we cant just dismiss whats gone on so far this season.
We said it after the Chelsea result and after the 8-0 against Besiktas but lets hope this massive result and performance can act as a catalyst for the rest of the season.
If it doesnt though and we continue with this shocking league form then last nights results relevance will be lost to most fans.

There we are - a balanced post which doesn't ignore the positives.

Now the question I pose is simple:

Why are you the only one?

I'm with ace , i've been slaugtering rafa reecently but against inter he got it spot on , i thought he had messed it up at first with the formation but it worked , He took of babel who was doing well , and pennant set up both goals , very good substiutions by rafa , great match by him and well done to him , he deserves the credit from the bullsh!t he's been taking as of late . With that said its only 1 game and we'll see how we play in the boro game

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:20 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:You a*seholes never know when to give up, do you?

FFS - get a set of b*llocks and back the man, instead of taking the "Oh, it's oh-so-clever-and-ever-so-popular to be the voice of discontent."

We've just beaten one of the World's best teams, you morbid bunch of sad acts.

Go and f*ck yourselves, the lot of you. You're not fans - you wait and hope for a loss to add more ammo to your ever-more-desperate arsenal of bullsh*t.

You stupid, stupid little boys.

Lets wait and see what happens when we play Middlesbrough this weekend.

Why? Will the result of that match stop us going to the San Siro with a 2 goal advantage in the best, and hardest, competition in club football?

And if we beat Middlesborough, will you then give Rafa the credit he deserves?

(Or will that just be "1 game out of...")

will the result against inter put us back in the FA cup or put us within touching distance of the league title?

no it wont

if we beat middlesborough will that put us in touching distance of the top teams/ no it won't

so lets keep it in persepctive, this season is already f*cked because of one man, why give him credit for a couple of wins when he has already shafted us royally

by **zarababe** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:18 pm

There were many humble articles in the reputable and not so papers about the Boss.. men on key boards ready to sound the last death knell and sharpen their keyboards, with the guilt edged words that Rafa was out...

Well humbled they were, by a performance which showed that repuatations are bulit on results and perfromances in Europe and Liverpool are to be respected and feared. The Italian press slated Inter's shadowisc European flirtation and hailed the Boss and the reds.

Tactical approach Benitez has admitted works well in Europe.. but the pace and unpredictability of the PL, upsets such approaches.. perhaps time now to stick to the basics and not think too deeply Boss.. play your best 11 and strengthen in the summer so we can push on and really challenge for the league and CL in the same season. I want both and Rafa can lead us there - in this I truly believe !

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:13 am

With respect to the early posts about this topic. Would you rather have somebody disrespecting the club and manager or someone who is looking on the bright side?

All I know is this I would rather have a 100 supporters with this guys attitude on the kop rather than the posts I have seen on here.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:53 am

I would rather read an honest and reasoned post, rather than a pie in the sky article written by someone who ignores all the problems and writes with rose tinted glasses on. Similarly I think too many posts are doom and gloom filled over-reaction rather than considered views.

by **Billy_5_Times** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:58 am

11 fellas go on the pitch, 5 more on the bench, 10 or more backroom staff, numerous board members and one manager. They are all connected to Liverpool Football Club. They are a team. So as a team, deserve the credit as a team and deserve the flack they get as a team. No singling out.

It can't all be down to players when we lose, but Rafa when we win. Likewise it can't be down to Rafa when we lose and the players when we win. Again every time we get beat we can't lay all blame on the owners.

In Liverpool's TEAM we trust.

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:01 am

s@int wrote:I would rather read an honest and reasoned post, rather than a pie in the sky article written by someone who ignores all the problems and writes with rose tinted glasses on. Similarly I think too many posts are doom and gloom filled over-reaction rather than considered views.

Me also, I accept that we have failed miserably this season, and it seems like rafas first season all over again, without the league cup final, but there is very rarely a balance of the negative against the positive. Its always one against the other.

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