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by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:08 am

Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

Damn - beat me to it!

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:23 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

Damn - beat me to it!

Gonna call him a gimp as well Lando

Don't forget he is one of your fellow rafa lovers

by **bigmick** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:50 am

Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

Well you could at least have a go.

Seriously though, Heimdall is expressing an opinion which would make him by no means unique on here. There is the feeling amongst many of the poeple who think on balance it ought to be about time we considered the possibility of changing the manager when considering his record in it's entirity in the four years he has been here (the anti Rafa brigade for short) that perhaps, the in Rafa we trusters (I can't bothered typing the long descrptive this time

) do tend to make the odd excuse for the managers failings.

It might be an interesting point for debate for the people who support the manager through thick and thin to give an indication about any potential set of circumstances which may arise in which they would consider possibly thinking that it may be time for a change? If for instance we were to lose to Inter Milan and finish fifth, my guess is that many would still advocate giving the manager another season. If then next season we had a largely identical campaign, would we give him another shot or would we call time on the plan? If we had an identical season but won say the Carling Cup, would that be enough to warrant a new five year plan, or would it take another good run in the Champions league? Is some kind of competitiveness in the League not really important, or is it essential that we at some stage get invloved in a title challenge (not necessarily a win mind) at some point the next three seasons?

I just wonder, as many posters were happy to nail their colours to the mast on the rotation thread earlier in the season whether they'd do the same now?

For my part I'm happy to do so. I think we should change the manager, and I would give a new manager four years to prove himself, as long as there was tangible progress in the league. Given we were 21 points behind last season and will probably be around a similar distance back this, then as long as he is under that in the first couple of years that'll do for me. He must finish in the top four in three out of the four seasons, and I would expect that at some point during that period we got involved in the title race. By involved i mean that after christmas we are in there, battling and in with a chance of winning it. A similar show to what Chelsea are putting in this season would do me for starters, with us hopefully pushing on from there.

A couple of people have alluded to a feeling that those who have lost faith in the current manager would be quick to demand the head of the new bloke, but not me. I simply want a manager who shows some logic in his selection processes, looks like he has an understanding of English Football and the Premier League and is able to improve the team from one which loses cup ties to Barnsley and is involved in four way dogfights with Everton, Aston Villa and Manchester City.

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:56 am

Well you could at least have a go.

I could indeed but like i have said previous opinion is divided.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon May 12, 2008 3:14 pm

Sorry for bringing back this topic as id did not want to start a new one . Found this , not sure if its in the relevant place though

Rafa offered new deal by both owners?
Posted on May 12th, 2008 by Jim Boardman

Quotes in Sunday’s press, reportedly from Rafa Benítez, claiming he’s already been offered a new contract were surprising to say the least. According to the reports, Rafa said he expected to sign the new deal over the summer: “The contract will be done before the start of next season. The owners have said that will be the case, so that is good.”

Tom Hicks said recently that Rafa would get a new deal if he took over, and although Dubai have made no indication of any extension for Rafa if they won the battle for control, they’ve made it known that he’d be a part of their plans. But few expected any offers to Rafa from the current, joint, ownership.

Rafa went on to say in the report: “Every manager likes to have his position clarified. I still have two more years on my contract and I am happy here. That is vital when you look to sign players because they want to know the manager is happy and they are joining the right club.”

It seems odd after all the water that has passed under the bridge to hear now of some real co-operation from the owners.

The idea of replacing Alex Miller, and in effect Pako Ayestaran, with former Liverpool player and coach Sammy Lee is one that isn’t too hard to see a way round despite the stand-off between the owners. Few would claim that replacing two coaches with one, assuming it is done within existing budgets, would be something either owner would block.

Even allowing certain transfers to take place is something that the club could still do with owners who won’t sit in the same room. Budgets of between £10m and £20m net have been mentioned, and if that money is already in the club’s funds, either from the January finance package or the various amounts of prize money and other forms of income the club gets, then it seems unlikely that either owner would actually block the funds from being used for transfers, or for players to be sold as part of the overall summer transfer process.

In cases like those, it protects their investment.

But to offer Rafa Benítez an improved contract seems at odds with the way George Gillett has been acting. He’s made it clear for some time that he wants out. He wants to sell his half of the club, just not to Hicks. And his opinions of Rafa aren’t exactly the kind that you would use to fans to show you back him. So for him to be a party to an improved offer to Rafa, who still has two years left with the club, is strange to say the least.

The fact the quotes appeared in the Sunday Mirror in an article by Simon Mullock are perhaps a sign that they should be taken with a pinch of salt, but to carry direct quotes that haven’t actually been said is a little risky.

Gillett has just been in England to take in the league match with Spurs, but also to attend a meeting with Dubai’s representatives. It was some distance to travel just to see the last game of the season - particularly with Gillett having been ill on a number of occasions recently - suggesting the meeting with Amanda Staveley and others was the main reason for his journey, and in addition suggesting the meeting would be worth his while.

Rafa had said last week in his regular press conference that he wasn’t too sure what was happening in the boardroom, but intriguingly suggested a solution could be forthcoming soon: “All I can add about the boardroom situation is that I am in contact with both of them and we are trying to progress with different issues that we have. I do not know exactly everything about shares, but in terms of what is my responsibility, we are progressing and I am doing my job. Everybody knows the club needs to be well organised and everybody knows what they have to do.

“Who will be in charge? Maybe the final solution will be soon.”

Unusually, compared to recent months, very little has been said in recent days by Gillett, DIC or Hicks.

Hicks did make some comments on the stadium, which got planning permission last week: “Site work will start in September and actual construction in late October, early November, with completion in time for the season starting in August 2011.”

Those comments came on the back of claims that work couldn’t start on the new stadium due to funding worries, but the initial £60m required to get that work underway has been in place since January as part of the refinancing package Hicks and Gillett took out at the time. Other restrictions mean the work can’t start before September.

May has been described as a key month in negotiations for some time now, amidst claims of pre-emption agreements having time limits set to expire in this month, banks having given Hicks only until the end of the club’s Champions League run before pulling the plug on his US loans, and of course a desire from fans to see a resolution tied into the end of one season rather than carrying on into a new season.

A compromise certainly needs to be found if the club is to move forward. Hicks is unwilling to allow DIC to take 50%, Gillett is unwilling to sell even one percent of his stake to Hicks, and DIC are believed to want 51% or more.

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news....th.html

by **account deleted by request** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:25 pm

Rafa has 2 years to run on his contract, I would prefer to see how we go next season before commiting to extending it. A one year extension does nothing but demonstrate how much uncertainty there is behind the scenes, and I really don't believe we should be giving a manager a longer contract after the season we have had.

I think he has just about done enough to get another season, but a repeat of this season and he should go.

by **nobybob** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:33 pm

Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

i second that , --and while were here put my name in the pro rafa list :bowdown

shame on all those pro mureen slimeball greasy F*****kers

by **Toffeehater** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:33 pm

I agree with you but it also depends next season how much we spend , which means how big our budget is and how many points are behind the eventual champions if we do not win it . If we are 6 to 8 points behind the leaders then that is surely progress . which is good

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:35 pm

Tried to look through this thread for any posts I have made and it appears that I havent.

Mad, I must have been asleep for six weeks as I am the archetylpal In Rafa We Trust Happy clapper and should have immediately jumped to his defence.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:40 pm

nobybob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

shame on all those pro mureen slimeball greasy F*****kers

Different people have different views and it would be good if u respect that without insulting them mate.

by **nobybob** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:58 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
nobybob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

shame on all those pro mureen slimeball greasy F*****kers

Different people have different views and it would be good if u respect that without insulting them mate.

im not insulting them --but i am insulting mureen , is that ok ?

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:58 pm

Toffeehater wrote:
nobybob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

shame on all those pro mureen slimeball greasy F*****kers

Different people have different views and it would be good if u respect that without insulting them mate.

Wanting Mourinho as maanger is like wishing Pol Pot was PM though.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:00 pm

nobybob wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
nobybob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
I am so sick and tired of the same crappy arguments form you pro rafalites, he hasn't had enough money, its the players not him etc etc, it's the mean Americans fault

I cannot put into words how sick and tired I am of the negative tripe you spew everytime you post.

shame on all those pro mureen slimeball greasy F*****kers

Different people have different views and it would be good if u respect that without insulting them mate.

im not insulting them --but i am insulting mureen , is that ok ?

based on the sentence structure u it was aimed at the posters but sure its ok to insult the turd

by **account deleted by request** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:09 pm

I wonder if you will be saying that if DIC take over and Maureen wins us the title?

It amazes me how a player who has been loyal to the club for years, has a bad season and everyone wants a new "better player " to be bought to replace him, yet a manager who has had a poor season gets defended to the hilt as if there is no-one better.

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:25 pm

s@int wrote:I wonder if you will be saying that if DIC take over and Maureen wins us the title?

It amazes me how a player who has been loyal to the club for years, has a bad season and everyone wants a new "better player " to be bought to replace him, yet a manager who has had a poor season gets defended to the hilt as if there is no-one better.

I assume that is directed at me ?

I would feel very happy that we won the league, obviously , but it WILL NOT happen that way.

DIC might buy the club, in fact I am sure they already have the bits in place to do so prett soon, but I cant have Mouinho. Cant have he would come here, cant have anyone would want to get him in here (DIC not internet hooligans) and cant for the life of me ever want to see him manage our club. The guys a self rightous media whore, disrespecting everything this club has been built on.

As for players being replaced, not sure where I have said that. I maintain that we need to add REAL quality to the already massed ranks. This close season is not about ripping up and starting again, its about adding those little ingredieants that are missing to the squad.

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