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redsince2001 wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redsince2001 wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

burjennio wrote:

edtrader74 Posted on Feb. 17 2008,15:38Lack of reaction? Bollox, there has not been a lack of reaction from certain poster all through the season, calling for the managers head at every available chance, boring us into a coma with the same repetitive digs, taking the p!ss out of OUR manager and pontificating that what he's achieved is irrelevant because we have not won the League yet.

Maybe some of us were upset at the result and couldn't stomach reading the forum straight afterwards because we all know the same purile abuse and sarcasm would be rife.(its so easy to criticise, and then be overjoyed with a self satisfying post to say i was right all along, well done, gold star.)

Nobody who supports Rafa has said that this is anything but a poor season, but looking for answers, thinking outside of the box, assessing the size of the task means that you 'wear rose-tinted specs' or are 'pro Rafa' etc.etc. well f uck off , its a bad season, thats all, not the end of the world, i will let Rafa have one because IMO this will be his first poor season, OVERALL, not individually in the league, or CL, or League cup. As i see it the repercussions of what we know about G&H and whatever else that may be going on behind the scenes has obviously had an effect on our team, IT HAS TO HAVE HAD, IT IS HUMAN NATURE, and to think otherwise is retarded.

Regarding the game, i'm lost for words really, we had lots of attempts, and chances and the game should have been beyond doubt, the fact that we made so many openings was a good thing, why we couldn't finish them i don't know, i suppose we could blame Rafa for that too.

Top post mate, but it'll fall on deaf ears in here. Its the new 1st law of football "blame the manager"

Benitez missed all those easy chances yesterday to put the game out of reach didnt he, or was that the Kuyt, Crouch and the rest?

It was a freak result, the keeper had a stormer and we missed loads of chances, it still hurts but get over it and STOP the b1tchin

Benitez talks about missed chances by Kuyt and Crouch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Benitez who bought these prolific forwards?

ok . so lets say now if kuyt or crouch hits /kills/hurts someone ?
its benitez's fault ? kuyt and crouch need to screw their heads on rite and start scoring goals !

Well that's not Benitez' fault because he didn't shape them as a person did he.

But he bought them, he plays them, he trains them. If he knows "we need to take our chances" then why is he persisting with players who can't take the chances. That he has to take the blame for.

kuyt scored 12 times in the league last season. most of the time playing alone upfront .unfortunately he is going through a very bad patch of form this season and his father's demise seems to have had a great affect on him as a player .
why is it rafa's fault that kuyt is gone into a shell ??

Lando_Griffin wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:Anyone who looks at our record under Benitez with scorn is a first-rate imbecile.

A season doesn't mean "the league." A season means "Every competition entered."

You can't separate them and say "If it weren't for the CL", or "Had we not won the FA Cup", or "If we hadn't reached the CL final... we'd be sh*t" - it's the logic of a two-year old child.

Grow up, you bleating benders.

So based on that, Houllie is a legend as he won 6 trophies (if you include the Charity Shield and Super Cup like Benitez does)

Houllier is a greater manager than Benitez, based on that theory. Well done Gerard.

Firstly, most of those trophies were won in the one season. So that's 2 good seasons, (as we won 5 one year, and 1 another).

Secondly, Houllier had at his disposal Robbie Fowler, Michael Owen, Gerrard, Carragher, Paul Ince and  Brad Friedel.

He also had a sh*t-load of money to throw at the team, without the need to sell first. He also didn't have Chelsea's mega-bucks to compete with.

Lastly, the cups Houllier won, while great for what they were, were never on a par with Istanbul.

Houllier won 6 trophies, it's still 2 more than Benitez. Houllier had as much money given to him as Benitez has. Benitez has had Reina, Torres, Alonso, Agger, Mascheranho, Gerrard and Carragher at his disposal. I also hear we're a better team now than Houllier's era, so who cares who Houllier had if we're a better team

Ambrovich took over in 2003, Houllier left in 2004. So he did have to compete to with Chelsea. Also nobody is saying it's on a par with Istanbul, but it's still trophies won.

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:This is our bad season? What was last year then, and Benitez' first year? 37 points behind in 04/05 and 21 last year. They just average seasons are they? Forget a good cup run in Europe, what's he done in the league? We got rid of Houllier because he COULDN'T win us the league (the one thing EVERY Liverpool fans wants more than anything) Benitez is proven he can't win us the league either, so he has to go.

FFS you are either on a wind up, or thick, the season has four competitions, not ONE. We have done well OVERALL in each of the past 3 Years, that is FACT. Go on tell me the league is our bread and butter, blah blah blah.

We did well in all cup competitions under Houllier yet he's given a hard time, ESPECIALLY BY THOSE WHO LOVE BENITEZ

any difference?

I'm sure Houllier was given a bad time by the fickle crew from day one, as i said easy to criticise, and add a proviso, I'd love him to prove me wrong. If i could be bothered i'm sure theres a thread along the lines of ' We'll never win the League with Gerard style long ball' around Sept 2000.

I'm sure there was those threads, and look, we NEVER won the league under Houllier. Likewise we'll NEVER win the league under Benitez.

When people say Liverpool fans are knowledgeable it's because we know when things are not going to happen. We know it's not going to happen under Benitez, in the league. If you and the rest who think along your lines are happy being a cup team, then all credit to you. I'm not. I'm interested in winning the league title back, so I need a new manager in charge of this club.

It must have gone over your head, my point was the thread was probably started in Sept 2000. Liverpool fans being knowledgeable yeah right i suppose thats why we all agree then???

I'm not happy being a Cup team, i'm just realistic, i just accept that the task to overhaul our main rivals would take time, to achieve our goals may mean set backs along the way sometimes, i'm not going to harp on about the past, and how we did it in the good ol' days, because whats done is done. I'm afraid that if we turn into impatient and unrealistic supporters we will be changing managers every two years and become a Club that USED to win things, I believe in stability, and building. I understand that to work under the conditions of this season would have been difficult for all concerned, and if you think that it wouldn't then you have no idea.

OK so yet again blame the yanks. What's his excuse for the other years? Oh I remember time isn't it. Then it's all down to money, which I've clearly stated isn't the case as there's obviously teams who've spent more than us but are behind us. Others who we have spent less and are above us. Good excuse money

Time, Sven has been managing City for three years less than Benitez, and there on level points.....time eh?

The owners have had an affect, but those who lay all the blame on him are just blinded by affection for Benitez. He has to take the blame. We all work under difficult circumstances, but that's how the world runs.

As for being realistic, the realistic look at this season WAS TO CHALLENGE. We're not even close to doing that. And finally on us being intelligent, those who want Benitez to stay again are being blinded by shear affection for him, which I can fully understand, but you have to admit he's not up to winning the league, whether he's here for 5 more months or 5 million more months. He still won't win us the league.

s@int wrote:

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

s@int wrote:

This is getting boring, you have this ability to look at things in isolation. Give Bryan Robson £500m and he still wouldn't win a tin cup. Had Wenger been pressurised the last 4 years and speculated upon on a daily basis, and the owners hawking his job and do you really think he would be here right now sitting at the top of the League? Its a combination of things, starting with a good manager.

For somebody so knowledgeable after having stood and sat on the kop for a thousand years your ignorance is baffling,  THE MANAGER HAS BEEN BUILDING FOR THE PREVIOUS 3 YEARS If you don't believe that, or accept that, thats your perogative, even if it is obvious. If you don't accept the process of the last 3 seasons then why were you not calling for Rafas head at the start of the season?

We have been building for 3 seasons and we are no further forward now than when he started..... that may have something to do with it.

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

2 years is nothing, because i can see a time when it will become 10 years. Chopping and changing manager every season or two will become our way soon if we are not careful. We will spiral into debt and lose all our top players, it is very likely, and IMO i think supporting the man in charge and at least allowing him a clear season with all the players he has assembled and without all the sh!t is what is best for the Club.

The alternative i would accept (see i'm not in love with Rafa) is Mourinho, but for the life of me i can't see it, there are 350M reasons why he won't want to come here.

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

2 years is nothing, because i can see a time when it will become 10 years. Chopping and changing manager every season or two will become our way soon if we are not careful. We will spiral into debt and lose all our top players, it is very likely, and IMO i think supporting the man in charge and at least allowing him a clear season with all the players he has assembled and without all the sh!t is what is best for the Club.

The alternative i would accept (see i'm not in love with Rafa) is Mourinho, but for the life of me i can't see it, there are 350M reasons why he won't want to come here.

redtrader74 wrote:Saint surely you ( being poster of the year!)

eh when was this decided, saint could post a letter never mind on here 

only messing with you mate, still, when were you named "poster of the year"

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Saint surely you ( being poster of the year!)

eh when was this decided, saint could post a letter never mind on here 

only messing with you mate, still, when were you named "poster of the year"

It was decided in secret. Only a select few, me included, and the MODS got together in a private thread and chose him. What do you think about things like that eh?   

redtrader74 wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

2 years is nothing, because i can see a time when it will become 10 years. Chopping and changing manager every season or two will become our way soon if we are not careful. We will spiral into debt and lose all our top players, it is very likely, and IMO i think supporting the man in charge and at least allowing him a clear season with all the players he has assembled and without all the sh!t is what is best for the Club.

The alternative i would accept (see i'm not in love with Rafa) is Mourinho, but for the life of me i can't see it, there are 350M reasons why he won't want to come here.

That could be a blessing in disguise, lose all the charlie big bolloxs and get players who want to play for the shirt.

Back to basics. (not Benitez as he over compliments everything. If you asked Benitez to point to his right ear, he'd use his left round his neck)

Your living in the past, nobody plays for the shirt anymore, well Carragher aside. Those days are unfortunatly long gone. Losing our top players will be a disaster.

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Saint surely you ( being poster of the year!)

eh when was this decided, saint could post a letter never mind on here 

only messing with you mate, still, when were you named "poster of the year"

I win it every year for my first ever thread "does Rafa really like Gerrard"..........poster most likely to be lynched