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by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:54 pm

I'll give Benitez another 50 seasons, just not at this club.

by **redsince2001** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:56 pm

come on be reasonable ..calm down !
rafa is a good manager .
this could have been our season ,atleast i think we could have been close to the top this time BUT for MR HICKS :angry:

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:57 pm

redtrader74 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:This is our bad season? What was last year then, and Benitez' first year? 37 points behind in 04/05 and 21 last year. They just average seasons are they? Forget a good cup run in Europe, what's he done in the league? We got rid of Houllier because he COULDN'T win us the league (the one thing EVERY Liverpool fans wants more than anything) Benitez is proven he can't win us the league either, so he has to go.

FFS you are either on a wind up, or thick, the season has four competitions, not ONE. We have done well OVERALL in each of the past 3 Years, that is FACT. Go on tell me the league is our bread and butter, blah blah blah.

We did well in all cup competitions under Houllier yet he's given a hard time, ESPECIALLY BY THOSE WHO LOVE BENITEZ

any difference?

I'm sure Houllier was given a bad time by the fickle crew from day one, as i said easy to criticise, and add a proviso, I'd love him to prove me wrong. If i could be bothered i'm sure theres a thread along the lines of ' We'll never win the League with Gerard style long ball' around Sept 2000.

I'm sure there was those threads, and look, we NEVER won the league under Houllier. Likewise we'll NEVER win the league under Benitez.

When people say Liverpool fans are knowledgeable it's because we know when things are not going to happen. We know it's not going to happen under Benitez, in the league. If you and the rest who think along your lines are happy being a cup team, then all credit to you. I'm not. I'm interested in winning the league title back, so I need a new manager in charge of this club.

by **burjennio** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:58 pm

edtrader74 Posted on Feb. 17 2008,15:38Lack of reaction? Bollox, there has not been a lack of reaction from certain poster all through the season, calling for the managers head at every available chance, boring us into a coma with the same repetitive digs, taking the p!ss out of OUR manager and pontificating that what he's achieved is irrelevant because we have not won the League yet.

Maybe some of us were upset at the result and couldn't stomach reading the forum straight afterwards because we all know the same purile abuse and sarcasm would be rife.(its so easy to criticise, and then be overjoyed with a self satisfying post to say i was right all along, well done, gold star.)

Nobody who supports Rafa has said that this is anything but a poor season, but looking for answers, thinking outside of the box, assessing the size of the task means that you 'wear rose-tinted specs' or are 'pro Rafa' etc.etc. well f uck off , its a bad season, thats all, not the end of the world, i will let Rafa have one because IMO this will be his first poor season, OVERALL, not individually in the league, or CL, or League cup. As i see it the repercussions of what we know about G&H and whatever else that may be going on behind the scenes has obviously had an effect on our team, IT HAS TO HAVE HAD, IT IS HUMAN NATURE, and to think otherwise is retarded.

Regarding the game, i'm lost for words really, we had lots of attempts, and chances and the game should have been beyond doubt, the fact that we made so many openings was a good thing, why we couldn't finish them i don't know, i suppose we could blame Rafa for that too.

Top post mate, but it'll fall on deaf ears in here. Its the new 1st law of football "blame the manager"

Benitez missed all those easy chances yesterday to put the game out of reach didnt he, or was that the Kuyt, Crouch and the rest?

It was a freak result, the keeper had a stormer and we missed loads of chances, it still hurts but get over it and STOP the b1tchin

by **redsince2001** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:59 pm

me thinks i'll lose this battle ... rafa will be gone .. thou i dont want him too .
people hate him too much now

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:59 pm

redsince2001 wrote:come on be reasonable ..calm down !
rafa is a good manager .
this could have been our season ,atleast i think we could have been close to the top this time BUT for MR HICKS

So Mr Hick's involvement wasn't a problem when we qualified from our group in Europe. If we beat Inter and go on and win the European Cup this season, will Mr Hick's of problems still affected the club or will it just be how great a manager Benitez is because he could put it to the back of his mind. If he can put it to the back of his mind, there's no excuse for the league form.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:00 pm

DAV wrote:been waiting for you to turn up Lando_Griffin
your post as ever is complete .
you would see good points in bin laden
SACK HIM

Get f*cked off back to the Matrix you doom-mongering tart.

by **redsince2001** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:00 pm

yeah but now hickey is keeping quiet

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:01 pm

burjennio wrote:
edtrader74 Posted on Feb. 17 2008,15:38Lack of reaction? Bollox, there has not been a lack of reaction from certain poster all through the season, calling for the managers head at every available chance, boring us into a coma with the same repetitive digs, taking the p!ss out of OUR manager and pontificating that what he's achieved is irrelevant because we have not won the League yet.

Maybe some of us were upset at the result and couldn't stomach reading the forum straight afterwards because we all know the same purile abuse and sarcasm would be rife.(its so easy to criticise, and then be overjoyed with a self satisfying post to say i was right all along, well done, gold star.)

Nobody who supports Rafa has said that this is anything but a poor season, but looking for answers, thinking outside of the box, assessing the size of the task means that you 'wear rose-tinted specs' or are 'pro Rafa' etc.etc. well f uck off , its a bad season, thats all, not the end of the world, i will let Rafa have one because IMO this will be his first poor season, OVERALL, not individually in the league, or CL, or League cup. As i see it the repercussions of what we know about G&H and whatever else that may be going on behind the scenes has obviously had an effect on our team, IT HAS TO HAVE HAD, IT IS HUMAN NATURE, and to think otherwise is retarded.

Regarding the game, i'm lost for words really, we had lots of attempts, and chances and the game should have been beyond doubt, the fact that we made so many openings was a good thing, why we couldn't finish them i don't know, i suppose we could blame Rafa for that too.

Top post mate, but it'll fall on deaf ears in here. Its the new 1st law of football "blame the manager"

Benitez missed all those easy chances yesterday to put the game out of reach didnt he, or was that the Kuyt, Crouch and the rest?

It was a freak result, the keeper had a stormer and we missed loads of chances, it still hurts but get over it and STOP the b1tchin

Benitez talks about missed chances by Kuyt and Crouch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Benitez who bought these prolific forwards?

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:02 pm

redsince2001 wrote:yeah but now hickey is keeping quiet

Handy excuse there mate. But if we lose to Inter (not going to happen we know) but if, no doubt the yanks will take the blame.

by **redsince2001** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:03 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
burjennio wrote:
edtrader74 Posted on Feb. 17 2008,15:38Lack of reaction? Bollox, there has not been a lack of reaction from certain poster all through the season, calling for the managers head at every available chance, boring us into a coma with the same repetitive digs, taking the p!ss out of OUR manager and pontificating that what he's achieved is irrelevant because we have not won the League yet.

Maybe some of us were upset at the result and couldn't stomach reading the forum straight afterwards because we all know the same purile abuse and sarcasm would be rife.(its so easy to criticise, and then be overjoyed with a self satisfying post to say i was right all along, well done, gold star.)

Nobody who supports Rafa has said that this is anything but a poor season, but looking for answers, thinking outside of the box, assessing the size of the task means that you 'wear rose-tinted specs' or are 'pro Rafa' etc.etc. well f uck off , its a bad season, thats all, not the end of the world, i will let Rafa have one because IMO this will be his first poor season, OVERALL, not individually in the league, or CL, or League cup. As i see it the repercussions of what we know about G&H and whatever else that may be going on behind the scenes has obviously had an effect on our team, IT HAS TO HAVE HAD, IT IS HUMAN NATURE, and to think otherwise is retarded.

Regarding the game, i'm lost for words really, we had lots of attempts, and chances and the game should have been beyond doubt, the fact that we made so many openings was a good thing, why we couldn't finish them i don't know, i suppose we could blame Rafa for that too.

Top post mate, but it'll fall on deaf ears in here. Its the new 1st law of football "blame the manager"

Benitez missed all those easy chances yesterday to put the game out of reach didnt he, or was that the Kuyt, Crouch and the rest?

It was a freak result, the keeper had a stormer and we missed loads of chances, it still hurts but get over it and STOP the b1tchin

Benitez talks about missed chances by Kuyt and Crouch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Benitez who bought these prolific forwards?

ok . so lets say now if kuyt or crouch hits /kills/hurts someone ?
its benitez's fault ? kuyt and crouch need to screw their heads on rite and start scoring goals !

by **redsince2001** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:05 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
redsince2001 wrote:yeah but now hickey is keeping quiet

Handy excuse there mate. But if we lose to Inter (not going to happen we know) but if, no doubt the yanks will take the blame.

sure .. their stupid actions are having long lastings repurcussions on this club as you can see....... you cant escape your past mate

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:06 pm

redsince2001 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
burjennio wrote:
edtrader74 Posted on Feb. 17 2008,15:38Lack of reaction? Bollox, there has not been a lack of reaction from certain poster all through the season, calling for the managers head at every available chance, boring us into a coma with the same repetitive digs, taking the p!ss out of OUR manager and pontificating that what he's achieved is irrelevant because we have not won the League yet.

Maybe some of us were upset at the result and couldn't stomach reading the forum straight afterwards because we all know the same purile abuse and sarcasm would be rife.(its so easy to criticise, and then be overjoyed with a self satisfying post to say i was right all along, well done, gold star.)

Nobody who supports Rafa has said that this is anything but a poor season, but looking for answers, thinking outside of the box, assessing the size of the task means that you 'wear rose-tinted specs' or are 'pro Rafa' etc.etc. well f uck off , its a bad season, thats all, not the end of the world, i will let Rafa have one because IMO this will be his first poor season, OVERALL, not individually in the league, or CL, or League cup. As i see it the repercussions of what we know about G&H and whatever else that may be going on behind the scenes has obviously had an effect on our team, IT HAS TO HAVE HAD, IT IS HUMAN NATURE, and to think otherwise is retarded.

Regarding the game, i'm lost for words really, we had lots of attempts, and chances and the game should have been beyond doubt, the fact that we made so many openings was a good thing, why we couldn't finish them i don't know, i suppose we could blame Rafa for that too.

Top post mate, but it'll fall on deaf ears in here. Its the new 1st law of football "blame the manager"

Benitez missed all those easy chances yesterday to put the game out of reach didnt he, or was that the Kuyt, Crouch and the rest?

It was a freak result, the keeper had a stormer and we missed loads of chances, it still hurts but get over it and STOP the b1tchin

Benitez talks about missed chances by Kuyt and Crouch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Benitez who bought these prolific forwards?

ok . so lets say now if kuyt or crouch hits /kills/hurts someone ?
its benitez's fault ? kuyt and crouch need to screw their heads on rite and start scoring goals !

Well that's not Benitez' fault because he didn't shape them as a person did he.

But he bought them, he plays them, he trains them. If he knows "we need to take our chances" then why is he persisting with players who can't take the chances. That he has to take the blame for.

by **Feeney** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:06 pm

bigmick wrote:Amazing really when you think about it isn't it? We lose at Home in the fifth round of the FA Cup to Barnsley, and there is barely a wimper on the forum aside from the bleatings of a few wind-up merchants.

Had it been in the third round while we were going all out for the title and had just fielded a team of reserves, it might have been kind of OK. Had the draw still been full of Premiership teams, waiting to ambush us at the next stage it would have been slightly more bearable. But here we were, in one of the two competitions we could possibly win and in the one out of the two in which gave us easily the biggest opportunity, and we lost, at home, to Barnsley.

So why the under-reaction? Well there are a number of reasons. I guess the main one is that most of the arguments have been done to death already. I must say I can hardly be bothered coming on here and debating when you know that regardless of what has happened, irrespective of how low we have stumbled there is a faction on the forum who will stick to their guns on Rafa no matter what. It'll be our lack of funds, the fact we approached Klinnsman in November, the Americans, the players who aren't trying, the injuries, the refs, the strikers and a thousand other things but whatever it is, it won't be the mananger that's for sure. Give him more time, four more years, knee-jerkers, Ooters, disloyal and all that comes pouring out every time. Then there is "so who is the alternative?" argument, blurted out at every turn. Quite why people think that a manager who has presided over a shambolic campaign in the league, an FA Cup exit at Home to Barnsley, an early exit in the Carling Cup and a scrape through the group stages in the Champions League despite being in a p!ss easy group would be a hugely difficult act to follow right now is beyond me but they throw the question out there with gay abandon anyhow. It's a bit like the poster who asked (in all seriousness) a couple of months back, who on Earth would be a better bet than Dirk Kuyt? Once I started I couldn't stop. I think I got to Cameron Jerome at Birmingham and started getting blisters on my fingers.

"Let him finish what he's started". I ask you, in all seriousness where will we be once he's finished what he's started? We went behind to Luton and needed an equaliser to take them to a replay where we won through. We went behind to Havent and waterlooville twice, at Home, before we eventually prevailed. We got dumped out, at home, to Barnsley in the next round.

If (as I think we will) we get knocked out by Inter Milan in this next round of the Champions League, what will it take before the fan club finally, eventually accept that maybe, perhaps, Rafa's methods aren't working? Is there any point in the future, ever, where people will think, "you know what, I think it might be time for a change". I ask, because quite simply the debate is over. We are getting worse and worse, more and more embarassing and it's even get to the point where we can lose at Home to Barnsly in the fifth round of the FA Cup and to be absolutely truthful, none of us are even surprised. Surely that's the clearest indicator of all.

From a personal point of view Bigmick, I've become hugely deflated and uninspired by what is going happening on the pitch - almost to the point were I can't be bothered to debate the point anymore as our actions are embarassing enough without me trying to defend or rebuke comments laid against Liverpool. However, your post has been the first one that has made me take notice (and not been a part of an ongoing arguement on here!) so I felt the need to exercise my right to reply.

While I have been pretty much pro-Benitez, time after time he is heaping more and more pressure on himself, the players and the club and much of it is needless. Take yesterday's game as an example. Whereas I agree that the side that was put out was good enough to beat Barnsley, I saw it as a hugely missed opportunity ahead of the Inter game. What better way to get your players up for the forthcoming game (as if, that would be needed anyway - its Inter, for fecks sake) than to play your best 11, tell them to go out and do what they do best and produce a commanding and emphatic performance with a decent scoreline. Bring the better lads off with half an hour to go when the jobs done, then bring on Inter, all fired up and hungry for goals once more.

Yesterday's game highlighted a huge flaw in not only our thinking at times, but also Benitez's. The side put out was good enough to beat Barnsley, but yet didn't. Where have I heard that before after a poor performance to say, Luton, Reading etc? Surely by now, everyone can see that the squad as a whole simply isn't up to the task of beating the team put in front of them, including Benitez. So why persist?

Which moves onto the issue of rotation. Theoretically, it is a good idea and is beneficial to the whole rather than the individual. However, in England at least, the idea doesn't work. In the English League, players seem to have a different mentality than on the continent were our teams want game after game after game and can't get enough. Now, I know majority of our squad are foreign nationals, but this mentality is infectious from the bigger, English players such as Gerrard, Carra and Crouch. It is now categorically clear that rotation to keep players fit for the latter half of the season is rubbish (I believe a stat had shown that we actually got less points in the latter half of the season in the last 2 seasons) as winning games and being in the hunt for the bigger prizes is motivation enough to play more games. Who's going to be up for an away game to Fulham in April when the league is beyond you, fourth place or not?

Right, where am I going with this?

Oh yes, feeling uninspired by our teams current plight. I'm in agreeance (as i'm sure everyone is) that this season has simply imploded before our eyes within the space of 3 months and at present is looking like being left in tatters. I'm deeply concerned that this season is going to get worse before it gets better and even in DIC do come n and 'save' the club, this won't have a bearing on how the players are playing or are being coached by Benitez.

I'm a fan - I feel uninspired, deflated, embarassed, ashamed (christ, I paid £34 for the pleasure of seeing us play against Marseille, its not hard to see why) - that's me. Imagine how the players must be feeling, wondering if such and such will play, despite them being sh!t all season, or wondering where on the pitch he might be deployed, be it full back (Carra), up front (Gerrard) or wherever they can fit (Lucas)? The fight seems to have extinguished from our players and its catching on with the fans. Maybe it has gone too far already, but unless Benitez begins to realise the flaws in himself and his methods, I can't see Montse getting a new watch anytime soon, least not from the paypacket of her husbands current employers. :oh:

by **dawson99** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:06 pm

teh yanks dont pick the team, give the team talk or try to motivate the players... thats all down to one man, the manager. he doesnt even have an assistant to share blame with as he doesnt have one, he needs one tho!!!

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